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Ryan has been Sanchez' biggest supporter.
Are you telling me that if a coach thinks his QB stinks and tells that to the GM and owner that they will tell him to shut up and be happy with the guy?
This is same GM and owner that have to give Sanchez more money for his ego after they pursued replacing him?
If what you descried was happening, why would he care.
Your argument is now:
Ryan knew Sanchez sucked.
Ryan had no accountability for his lack of development.
Ryan told the owner and GM Sanchez sucked, and they said too bad.
Ryan decided to keep quiet about that because they might fire him.
That just isnt realistic.
I am talking about his 5 year development. There was none, he learned nothing. You reducing that to the butt fumble indicates you understand that and want to get away from the fact.
You are arguing that his record and the dysfunction and failure of the team isn't his fault.
Who is 'blaming all the problems on him'?
Certainly not me. I am saying he sucked. Every coach has problems to deal with and overcome. He didn't have any more than most coaches, and he has failed.
For all his bluster Rex is an excellent coach. If I was the Jets I wouldn't fire him. Woody is not going to get the next hire right anyway
Where did I say any of those things?So what are you saying? Tannebaum was a great manager and Woody was an awesome owner and Sanchez was pretty good before he got drafted and Ryan brought them all down?
Ryan failed as a HC.My original argument is that it's silly to pin the fault of an entire franchise on the HC. I think that's a plausible argument. Again, am I standing up for Ryan? No. I'm not giving him any excuses, but to pin everything on him is a little too much.
They were pretty functional when Parcells was there. They have been competitive for over 15 years.The Jets were a dysfunctional franchise before Ryan came, and it'll continue to be dysfunctional after he leaves.
What else could he have done? Bench Sanchez against the GM and owner's wishes?
Of course he is going to toe the company line. Bellowing from the rooftops would have gotten him canned.
Good one.
You're benched for the start of today's game.
Where did I say any of those things?
Ryan failed as a HC.
He is accountable to the job he did, and it was bad.
Of course you are making excuses and sticking up for him, you are saying its silly to pin his record on him, as if its unfair to judge him like you would judge any other HC.
They were pretty functional when Parcells was there. They have been competitive for over 15 years.
And he has failed at his job.He is accountable to his job, and there are other people accountable to their job in regard to the franchise. Ryan would have never gotten Sanchez without Tannebaum pulling the strings with Mangini while he was the Browns HC.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I have said many times I am not making excuse for him, but to pin the failure of an entire franchise on him is silly.
What?Bull****. The last time the Jets could even remotely be considered to be competitive was in 1998 when they went 12-4 and won the AFC east.
Ryan has beaten the Patriots numerous times in recent years, typically with inferior personnel. Nobody could be better for a one-year consultant/self-scouting kind of gig. The Don Capers analogy idea is excellent.
For bonus points, Ryan is the son of a famously creative NFL coach, and the twin brother of a successful Patriots assistant.
However, his style of dealing with players (and the media) is very different from BB's, so it's hard to imagine him fitting well into the normal Patriots coaching chain of command.
And he has failed at his job.
I know you don't THINK you are making excuses for him, but that is exactly what you are doing. You are saying it isn't his fault he failed because of x,y,z and I am saying his job was to succeed with what he was given and not fail and call it OK because you blame someone else.
What?
From 1998-2010 they made the playoffs 7 times in 13 years, more than half the seasons. They had 10 winning seasons. That is competitive.
They have not had back to back non-winning seasons since 95-96, until the 3 in a row Ryan is leading them to.
Think about that from 1997-2010 they were .500 or worse only 3 times in 14 years, and now have been for 3 straight years.
You cannot blame having 3 straight non-winning season in a row in an organization that only had 3 in the past 14 on a dysfunctional organization.
They were better before him than they have been with him, and thats just a fact.
Rex managed to go .500 with Sanchez/Smith. The doofus deserves another HC opportunity with a team that has a competent QB/offensive coordinator.
Teams can do alot worse than Rex as their HC.
Agree 100%. Rex would give the defense a new look .
The patriots could complete the set
I recently thought Wrecks would save his job with seven or eight wins, but now I kind of doubt it. He just doesn't know or care enough about offense in an increasingly offense-centric league.
He is 4-7 vs the Patriots, nothing to get excited about.