Why isn’t Belichick being talked about as coach of the year?

[VrabelJr]

Winning Coach of the Year takes a combination of fantastic coaching, overcoming things out of your control and leading a team with low expectations. BB satisfies two of those three criteria.

Andy Reid's team is pulling a Boston Red Sox so he's a damn near lock for it. Some other notable coaching jobs are Ron Rivera (Carolina - quietly a top team in my opinion), Rob Chudzinski (Cleveland) and Mike McCoy (San Diego) given team expectations and overall roster talent.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Winning Coach of the Year takes a combination of fantastic coaching, overcoming things out of your control and leading a team with low expectations. BB satisfies two of those three criteria.

Andy Reid's team is pulling a Boston Red Sox so he's a damn near lock for it. Some other notable coaching jobs are Ron Rivera (Carolina - quietly a top team in my opinion), Rob Chudzinski (Cleveland) and Mike McCoy (San Diego) given team expectations and overall roster talent.

Interestingly enough, though, two of the three times BB has won coach of the year, it wasn't for a loser-to-winner turnaround. It's obvious why he won in 2007, but remember he also won in 2010, and going from 10–6 to 14–2 isn't all that much of a turnaround.

 

[Brady6]

Depth was always an issue with this team regardless of the health of the front liners. DT, TE, WR. An Oline that gets manhandled vs certain match ups. A LB corp whose lack of speed gets exposed. Hey...I'm thrilled NE has been able to achieve such a strong record and I give BB all the credit in the world to be able to keep this winning machine rolling year in, year out while last years contenders turn into over night pretenders. That being said, I just don't think this team is championship caliber and I do think NE is fortunate that this year's NFL is rife with mediocrity.
When I stack this roster vs the 2004 roster......this group appears too top heavy and that formula rarely survives a 20 week season.

You know the problem when you compare a roster from 2001-2008 to a current day roster? The vantage point is that of how most remember someone after they died, people only recall the good.

So let’s stack the 2004 final roster against this current roster:

2004
Quarterbacks
• 12 Tom Brady
• 6 Rohan Davey
• 13 Jim Miller

Running Backs
• 27 Rabih Abdullah FB/RB
• 34 Cedric Cobbs R
• 28 Corey Dillon
• 33 Kevin Faulk
• 35 Patrick Pass FB/RB

Wide Receivers
• 83 Deion Branch
• 80 Troy Brown CB/PR
• 87 David Givens
• 81 Bethel Johnson KR
• 10 Kevin Kasper
• 86 David Patten

Tight Ends
• 88 Christian Fauria
• 82 Daniel Graham
• 85 Jed Weaver

Offensive Linemen
• 63 Joe Andruzzi G
• 76 Brandon Gorin T
• 71 Russ Hochstein G/C
• 67 Dan Koppen C
• 72 Matt Light T
• 64 Gene Mruczkowski G/C
• 61 Stephen Neal G
• 74 Billy Yates G/C

Defensive Linemen
• 97 Jarvis Green DE
• 91 Marquise Hill DE R
• 99 Ethan Kelley NT
• 93 Richard Seymour DE
• 98 Keith Traylor NT
• 94 Ty Warren DE
• 75 Vince Wilfork NT R

Linebackers
• 48 Tully Banta-Cain OLB
• 54 Tedy Bruschi ILB
• 58 Matt Chatham ILB
• 59 Rosevelt Colvin OLB
• 51 Don Davis ILB
• 53 Larry Izzo ILB
• 52 Ted Johnson ILB
• 55 Willie McGinest OLB/DE
• 95 Roman Phifer ILB
• 50 Mike Vrabel OLB

Defensive Backs
• 30 Je'Rod Cherry FS
• 21 Randall Gay CB UR
• 37 Rodney Harrison SS
• 29 Earthwind Moreland CB
• 31 Hank Poteat CB
• 42 Dexter Reid SS R
• 22 Asante Samuel CB
• 26 Eugene Wilson FS

Special Teams
• 8 Josh Miller P
• 66 Lonie Paxton LS
• 4 Adam Vinatieri K

2013
Quarterbacks
• 12 Tom Brady
• 15 Ryan Mallett

Running backs
• 29 LeGarrette Blount KR
• 34 Shane Vereen RB
• 38 Brandon Bolden
• 46 James Develin FB
• 22 Stevan Ridley
• 33 Leon Washington

Wide receivers
• 80 Danny Amendola
• 82 Josh Boyce
• 17 Aaron Dobson
• 11 Julian Edelman PR
• 18 Matthew Slater
• 85 Kenbrell Thompkins
• 16 LaQuan Williams

Tight ends
• 87 Rob Gronkowski
• 47 Michael Hoomanawanui
• 88 Matthew Mulligan

Offensive linemen
• 64 Chris Barker G
• 61 Marcus Cannon G/T
• 63 Dan Connolly G/C
• 67 Josh Kline G/C
• 70 Logan Mankins G
• 77 Nate Solder T
• 74 Will Svitek T/G
• 62 Ryan Wendell C

Defensive linemen
• 92 Jake Bequette DE
• 99 Michael Buchanan DE
• 96 Andre Carter DE
• 98 Marcus Forston DT
• 95 Chandler Jones DE
• 94 Chris Jones DT
• 50 Rob Ninkovich DE/OLB
• 90 Isaac Sopoaga DT/NT
• 72 Joe Vellano DT

Linebackers
• 58 Steve Beauharnais MLB
• 91 Jamie Collins OLB
• 52 Dane Fletcher MLB/OLB
• 54 Dont'a Hightower OLB
• 55 Brandon Spikes MLB
• 59 Chris White OLB

Defensive backs
• 25 Kyle Arrington CB
• 23 Marquice Cole CB
• 37 Alfonzo Dennard CB
• 43 Nate Ebner SS
• 28 Steve Gregory SS/FS
• 30 Duron Harmon FS/SS
• 32 Devin McCourty FS/CB
• 26 Logan Ryan CB
• 31 Aqib Talib CB
• 27 Tavon Wilson SS/FS

Special teams
• 48 Danny Aiken LS
• 6 Ryan Allen P
• 3 Stephen Gostkowski K

I am not seeing what you’re seeing here, that team was strong at defensive line and linebacker outside of that I would say this team has much better depth and talent overall.

 

[Joker]

Belichick for Coach Of The Year??...Good one, Mike....hahahahahaha!!!

 

[Brady6]

Interestingly enough, though, two of the three times BB has won coach of the year, it wasn't for a loser-to-winner turnaround. It's obvious why he won in 2007, but remember he also won in 2010, and going from 10–6 to 14–2 isn't all that much of a turnaround.

My point exactly, in 2010 I felt like he won because the team made the bold move to trade Randy Moss and reinvent itself on the fly, this season he has done that times 10.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Andy Reid is getting it...what he has done in KC has been outstanding

 

[Brady6]

Andy Reid is getting it...what he has done in KC has been outstanding

What he has done in terms of being 9-0 is outstanding, but people acting as if he turned around the same team are ridiculous. The most important position on a football team is the QB, they brought in a QB who led his team (49ers) to the 2011 NFC championship game and in 2012 had 1737 passing yards, a 70.2% completion percentage, 13 touchdowns and a 104.1 QB rating last season before Kaepernick took on the starting job. I commend Reid for what he has done in terms of record but that team has as much talent on it as any team in the NFL.

 

[Salva135]

Belichick for Coach Of The Year??...Good one, Mike....hahahahahaha!!!

Reid in mesh shorts is NSFW and not safe for mental imagery for the rest of one's life!

 

[convertedpatsfan]

This is probably my least favourite award because it's basically the media giving themselves a mulligan on their pre-season prediction. If the media predicted a team would suck, then TOTALLY MISSED THE MARK, they could:

a) admit they have no ******* clue what they're talking about, or
b) praise the coach for doing so much more than anyone expected because obviously the media couldn't have been wrong, so it must be that the coach did a great job.

We might as well rename it the "Coach of the Team We Were Most Wrong About But Don't Want To Admit To Award."

Having said that much, Andy Reid is a very good coach and I wouldn't be against him winning it, but I'd like to reserve judgment until he plays against at least one real NFL team.

But since this award is so ridiculously meaningless, I would be willing to give him the award today if it leads to more of these:

 

[supafly]

When you go 14-2, 13-3, 12-4 what seems like every damn year it's difficult for anyone to be impressed anymore.

They tend to pick the flavors of the month/year instead. That's not necessarily meaning to be a knock on Andy Reid or KC, b/c what they've done has been incredible.

It's actually an ass-backwards way to look at it, because you'd think more people would be impressed with the ability to constantly go 13-3, 12-4 etc. Unfortunately they just see it as "ho-hum" though.

 

[borg]

You know the problem when you compare a roster from 2001-2008 to a current day roster? The vantage point is that of how most remember someone after they died, people only recall the good.

So let’s stack the 2004 final roster against this current roster:

2004
Quarterbacks
• 12 Tom Brady
• 6 Rohan Davey
• 13 Jim Miller

Running Backs
• 27 Rabih Abdullah FB/RB
• 34 Cedric Cobbs R
• 28 Corey Dillon
• 33 Kevin Faulk
• 35 Patrick Pass FB/RB

Wide Receivers
• 83 Deion Branch
• 80 Troy Brown CB/PR
• 87 David Givens
• 81 Bethel Johnson KR
• 10 Kevin Kasper
• 86 David Patten

Tight Ends
• 88 Christian Fauria
• 82 Daniel Graham
• 85 Jed Weaver

Offensive Linemen
• 63 Joe Andruzzi G
• 76 Brandon Gorin T
• 71 Russ Hochstein G/C
• 67 Dan Koppen C
• 72 Matt Light T
• 64 Gene Mruczkowski G/C
• 61 Stephen Neal G
• 74 Billy Yates G/C

Defensive Linemen
• 97 Jarvis Green DE
• 91 Marquise Hill DE R
• 99 Ethan Kelley NT
• 93 Richard Seymour DE
• 98 Keith Traylor NT
• 94 Ty Warren DE
• 75 Vince Wilfork NT R

Linebackers
• 48 Tully Banta-Cain OLB
• 54 Tedy Bruschi ILB
• 58 Matt Chatham ILB
• 59 Rosevelt Colvin OLB
• 51 Don Davis ILB
• 53 Larry Izzo ILB
• 52 Ted Johnson ILB
• 55 Willie McGinest OLB/DE
• 95 Roman Phifer ILB
• 50 Mike Vrabel OLB

Defensive Backs
• 30 Je'Rod Cherry FS
• 21 Randall Gay CB UR
• 37 Rodney Harrison SS
• 29 Earthwind Moreland CB
• 31 Hank Poteat CB
• 42 Dexter Reid SS R
• 22 Asante Samuel CB
• 26 Eugene Wilson FS

Special Teams
• 8 Josh Miller P
• 66 Lonie Paxton LS
• 4 Adam Vinatieri K

2013
Quarterbacks
• 12 Tom Brady
• 15 Ryan Mallett

Running backs
• 29 LeGarrette Blount KR
• 34 Shane Vereen RB
• 38 Brandon Bolden
• 46 James Develin FB
• 22 Stevan Ridley
• 33 Leon Washington

Wide receivers
• 80 Danny Amendola
• 82 Josh Boyce
• 17 Aaron Dobson
• 11 Julian Edelman PR
• 18 Matthew Slater
• 85 Kenbrell Thompkins
• 16 LaQuan Williams

Tight ends
• 87 Rob Gronkowski
• 47 Michael Hoomanawanui
• 88 Matthew Mulligan

Offensive linemen
• 64 Chris Barker G
• 61 Marcus Cannon G/T
• 63 Dan Connolly G/C
• 67 Josh Kline G/C
• 70 Logan Mankins G
• 77 Nate Solder T
• 74 Will Svitek T/G
• 62 Ryan Wendell C

Defensive linemen
• 92 Jake Bequette DE
• 99 Michael Buchanan DE
• 96 Andre Carter DE
• 98 Marcus Forston DT
• 95 Chandler Jones DE
• 94 Chris Jones DT
• 50 Rob Ninkovich DE/OLB
• 90 Isaac Sopoaga DT/NT
• 72 Joe Vellano DT

Linebackers
• 58 Steve Beauharnais MLB
• 91 Jamie Collins OLB
• 52 Dane Fletcher MLB/OLB
• 54 Dont'a Hightower OLB
• 55 Brandon Spikes MLB
• 59 Chris White OLB

Defensive backs
• 25 Kyle Arrington CB
• 23 Marquice Cole CB
• 37 Alfonzo Dennard CB
• 43 Nate Ebner SS
• 28 Steve Gregory SS/FS
• 30 Duron Harmon FS/SS
• 32 Devin McCourty FS/CB
• 26 Logan Ryan CB
• 31 Aqib Talib CB
• 27 Tavon Wilson SS/FS

Special teams
• 48 Danny Aiken LS
• 6 Ryan Allen P
• 3 Stephen Gostkowski K

I am not seeing what you’re seeing here, that team was strong at defensive line and linebacker outside of that I would say this team has much better depth and talent overall.

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[Brady6]

Brady6 was correct and that’s a fact – point, blank .........................................................................................................................

I appreciate your recognition buddy, one period (.) after the point blank would have let everyone know though :high5:

 

[ausbacker]

When you go 14-2, 13-3, 12-4 what seems like every damn year it's difficult for anyone to be impressed anymore.

They tend to pick the flavors of the month/year instead. That's not necessarily meaning to be a knock on Andy Reid or KC, b/c what they've done has been incredible.

It's actually an ass-backwards way to look at it, because you'd think more people would be impressed with the ability to constantly go 13-3, 12-4 etc. Unfortunately they just see it as "ho-hum" though.

Yeah, the Patriots are a victim of their own success. Their seasons are rated by what they do in January and February.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

I believe a recent poll of "people" within Football management came out ranking best GMs and HCs. I believe BB was recognized as the best coach. IMHO they could have taken this poll for the last X years and BB would have likely won. BB would likely win this poll in the next several years if not longer. IMHO, in terms of accolades, that by far trumps (in terms of tangential meaning) the 'HC of the Year' award that is convoluted to some extent. Which is not to say 'HC of the Year' means nothing, it is to say politics, popularity, likability, team makeup among others can play a part in the process versus simply being the best coach.

 

[BTTA]

Because the only people talking about coach of the year at this point in the season are just looking for something to give them a short term emotional high or (if they make a living in the media) web clicks.

It is far too early to begin this conversation. The true value of coaching starts to show itself in mid November, and then even more in December, when strategic intelligence pays dividends.

This thread is 4-5 weeks too early.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Because the only people talking about coach of the year at this point in the season are just looking for something to give them a short term emotional high or (if they make a living in the media) web clicks.

It is far too early to begin this conversation. The true value of coaching starts to show itself in mid November, and then even more in December, when strategic intelligence pays dividends.

This thread is 4-5 weeks too early.

While your logic is fairly sound, I think you are wrong here. Unless KC/Andy Reid go into a tail spin, the HC of the Year is 90% decided. No way does a coach who inherits the worst team (record wise) in the league not win HC of the Year with a 12 win season (and 12 wins seems 90% likely for KC at this point). The nuances of the situation will largely be irrelevant when a situation like this is in play.

 

[SVN]

I used to be very interested in these awards but now after seeing how the media behaves and sides with certain players , I dont give much credence to it. They gave mvp to manning in one yr (2008 ?) because they had no one else to give to ...not because he was the best there is. Same with coaching or any other award.Its opinions of a bunch of writers like peter king. Doesnt really matter in the end.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

Reid in mesh shorts is NSFW and not safe for mental imagery for the rest of one's life!

not a big andy reid guy(pun intended). thankfully, he's not in that pic.

 

[DarrylS]

Up to this post, had not heard any discussion of Coach of the Year... we are just about 1/2 way through, and much can happen.

Stay tuned...

 

[50-yard-line]

I'm not on the KC bandwagon at all.

They've beaten:

Jacksonville
Dallas (skin of their teeth)
NY Giants
Philly
Tennessee (close game - could have gone either way)
Raiders
Texans (skin of their teeth)
Browns (skin of their teeth)
Bills (they should have lost that game - were outplayed all over the field and won on probably the worst pick six in the history of the NFL)

I like the Chiefs - KC is a great football town - and want them to win the AFC West, But they've had a lot of things go right at the right time (and played some mediocre teams at the right time) to be 9-0. They could easily be 5-4.

And when you look at who they've played and when they've played them, how can you be greatly impressed? Tennessee and the Browns have to be the best they've played - will either make the playoffs?

They've got 2 with Denver and 2 with San Diego coming up. So I'd hold off on that CotY trophy for a bit longer.