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    I have been looking at the mid-season awards and end of season predictions for NFL awards and I am really surprised that Belichick is not even mentioned as the NFL coach of the year. I understand that Andy Reid deserves a lot of recognition for what he has done in Kanas City and Sean Peyton return to the sidelines has turned the Saints around but have either of them or any coach overcome what Belichick has this season?

    • Wes Welker left via free agency.
    • Team forced to release Brandon Lloyd due to mental health issues.
    • Team forced to release Kyle Love due to type 2 diabetes.
    • Team released Brandon Deaderick due to locker room concerns.
    • Aaron Hernandez arrested for murder and immediately released.
    • Donald Jones forced to retire due to kidney disorder.
    • Rob Gronkowski had 5 surgeries in 10 month period and missed the first 6 games of the season.
    • Adrian Wilson placed on season ending injured reserve at the end of the preseason.
    • Vince Wilfork suffered a season ending injury in week 4.
    • Tommy Kelly suffered a season ending injury in week 5.
    • Jerod Mayo suffered a season ending injury in week 6.
    • Danny Amendola has missed 4 of the team’s first 9 games.
    • Sebastian Vollmer suffered season a ending injury in week 8.
    • Aqib Talib has missed his last 3 games with a hip injury.

    The Hernandez situation on its own would be a hard enough feet for most head coaches. Belichick has led this team to a 7-2 record and the 2 games lost were by a combined 10 points and impacted by a random torrential rain storm and the officiating on an overtime field goal.

    I know Belichick has been the most successful coach in the NFL for over a decade but for his performance this season to go unrecognized is distasteful in my opinion :der:

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    1) This is par for the course for him. 7-2 is pretty ho-hum compared to past success.

    2) He still has Tom Brady. That's enough for some people to discredit the job he's done.

    3) There's a coach in KC right now who has taken a 2 win team and gotten them undefeated through 9 games. Until that train is derailed (which IMO is coming after their bye), I think Reid is CotY.
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    Winning Coach of the Year almost always requires coaching a team that stunk the year before.
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    Reid is a bit of causation vs. correlation falsely in my opinion. He took a team absolutely loaded on the defensive side of the football at every level with players like Flowers, Berry, Houston, Poe and Hali just to name a few, added a quarterback who took his team to the 2011 NFC championship game to an offense with Charles and Bowe. Give Andy Reid credit sure, but I don’t know if I can sit here and say it couldn’t of happen with him.
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    Because BB the GM is killing BB the coach
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    Last 3 rookie classes these players are currently playing key roles on this team:

    Nate Solder - LT
    Marcus Cannon - RT
    Ryan Mallett - Backup QB
    Stevan Ridley - RB
    Shane Vereen - 3rd down RB
    Chandler Jones - RDE
    Donta Hightower - SOLB
    Alfonzo Dennard - RCB
    Brandon Bolden - Backup RB
    Aaron Dobson - X WR
    Chris Jones - LDT
    Michael Buchanan - Backup DE
    Joe Vellano - RDT
    Logan Ryan - Dime CB
    Jamie Collins - WOLB

    Belichick has made mistakes no doubt about it as a GM but you’d be hard pressed to find another GM that could match this output.
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    It isn't unusual for him. Every year there seems to be some major issue, and every year the Pats are competitive. The award tends to go to the "flavor of the week." Was BB more impressive in 2003, 2007 or 2010 with his coaching than he was in 2001, 2004, 2006, 2011, or this year? I don't think so.

    He is a great coach, but Reid, barring a meltdown, will get the award. Is Reid a better coach? Not by a long shot.
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    Andy Reid has already clinched that title regardless of how far his team goes from here unless they miss the playoffs....no one is even close behind him.
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    How do you think would you feel about this team right now if any 3 of Wilfork, Mayo, Kelly, Gronkowski and Talib had been healthy for every game? How about all 5?
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    I agree with the OP, but working against BB is the fact that New England went deep in the playoffs last year. I doubt many voters will take a close-enough look to understand what the Pats have overcome this year to stay in contention.

    As much as I hate to admit it, Wrecks Ryan might be a candidate if the Green Beans sneak into the playoffs. But Reid probably wins it going away despite walking into a ready-made situation personnel-wise.
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    Yeah the turnaround in KC is just too great to technically give it to BB right now. In my mind it's BB over Reid though when all is said and done this year. Most who watched KC knew they were a half decent QB/coach away from competing. 9-0, no, but it's still a lot of football left to play this year and obviously every close game has gone their way thus far. Most likely KC ends up a wild card and losing in the first 2 rounds, which isn't a shocking turnaround to me from what they had before Reid. It's just because of this amazing start, and if they do hold on to win the division I'd have to agree with Reid. For the Patriots to be 7-2 right now with all the injuries and FA losses/Killing this offseason is almost if not as amazing as KC's 9-0 though.
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    I'll never understand why continued success works against a coach.
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    If all 5 were healthy, the Pats would probably be 9–0.
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    He would hate them as much as he always does. Borg is the #1 TROLL on this site, he only chimes in to say things that will piss people off. He has no interest in football or the Patriots other than to see if he can get a rise out of someone.
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    Depth was always an issue with this team regardless of the health of the front liners. DT, TE, WR. An Oline that gets manhandled vs certain match ups. A LB corp whose lack of speed gets exposed. Hey...I'm thrilled NE has been able to achieve such a strong record and I give BB all the credit in the world to be able to keep this winning machine rolling year in, year out while last years contenders turn into over night pretenders. That being said, I just don't think this team is championship caliber and I do think NE is fortunate that this year's NFL is rife with mediocrity.
    When I stack this roster vs the 2004 roster......this group appears too top heavy and that formula rarely survives a 20 week season.
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    "Coach of the Year" is actually "Surprise Coaching Performance of the Year" award.
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    I would like the award to be based on "advantage achieved by strategic decision." For example, the coaching decision to deploy Talib vs Graham was a strategic decision that shifted/neutralized a perceived strength. And last year, kudos to the coaches that succeeded in deploying the read option offense. There has to be more to the award than having a stacked/healthy roster.
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    I've been wondering about that for some time now.

    We know that many in the media dislike him. That hurts his chances the most.

    He also has a lot of his victims scattered around the NFL who will never want to give him credit for anything.

    Jealousy. The Pats win more than other teams.
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    I wouldn't say we are stacked. We are a very even team. 8th ranked defense and 8/9th ranked offense. That's a top ten (off of given ranks) not top heavy team. Top heavy was 2010-2012 years. A #1 O and last place D. That's top heavy/unbalanced IMO.
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    In a 53-man roster, name an NFL team that doesn't have depth issues when first-tier players fall out for the season? Better yet, since the Pats' roster sucks, what team has the roster that passes muster under your scrutiny and is built to endure the NFL season?

    Try comparing the 2004 roster with the 2013 and multiply the 2004 number by 1.5 to adjust for cap differences. Maybe a savvy manager could get Brady for $5 million to ease the statistical distribution of salaries a bit, like he accepted as a 2004 salary.

    And who was playing defensive back in that deep 2004 roster? I thought it was a wide receiver, but my memory is fading.
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    Winning Coach of the Year takes a combination of fantastic coaching, overcoming things out of your control and leading a team with low expectations. BB satisfies two of those three criteria.

    Andy Reid's team is pulling a Boston Red Sox so he's a damn near lock for it. Some other notable coaching jobs are Ron Rivera (Carolina - quietly a top team in my opinion), Rob Chudzinski (Cleveland) and Mike McCoy (San Diego) given team expectations and overall roster talent.
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    Interestingly enough, though, two of the three times BB has won coach of the year, it wasn't for a loser-to-winner turnaround. It's obvious why he won in 2007, but remember he also won in 2010, and going from 10–6 to 14–2 isn't all that much of a turnaround.
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    You know the problem when you compare a roster from 2001-2008 to a current day roster? The vantage point is that of how most remember someone after they died, people only recall the good.

    So let’s stack the 2004 final roster against this current roster:

    2004
    Quarterbacks
    • 12 Tom Brady
    • 6 Rohan Davey
    • 13 Jim Miller

    Running Backs
    • 27 Rabih Abdullah FB/RB
    • 34 Cedric Cobbs R
    • 28 Corey Dillon
    • 33 Kevin Faulk
    • 35 Patrick Pass FB/RB

    Wide Receivers
    • 83 Deion Branch
    • 80 Troy Brown CB/PR
    • 87 David Givens
    • 81 Bethel Johnson KR
    • 10 Kevin Kasper
    • 86 David Patten

    Tight Ends
    • 88 Christian Fauria
    • 82 Daniel Graham
    • 85 Jed Weaver

    Offensive Linemen
    • 63 Joe Andruzzi G
    • 76 Brandon Gorin T
    • 71 Russ Hochstein G/C
    • 67 Dan Koppen C
    • 72 Matt Light T
    • 64 Gene Mruczkowski G/C
    • 61 Stephen Neal G
    • 74 Billy Yates G/C

    Defensive Linemen
    • 97 Jarvis Green DE
    • 91 Marquise Hill DE R
    • 99 Ethan Kelley NT
    • 93 Richard Seymour DE
    • 98 Keith Traylor NT
    • 94 Ty Warren DE
    • 75 Vince Wilfork NT R

    Linebackers
    • 48 Tully Banta-Cain OLB
    • 54 Tedy Bruschi ILB
    • 58 Matt Chatham ILB
    • 59 Rosevelt Colvin OLB
    • 51 Don Davis ILB
    • 53 Larry Izzo ILB
    • 52 Ted Johnson ILB
    • 55 Willie McGinest OLB/DE
    • 95 Roman Phifer ILB
    • 50 Mike Vrabel OLB

    Defensive Backs
    • 30 Je'Rod Cherry FS
    • 21 Randall Gay CB UR
    • 37 Rodney Harrison SS
    • 29 Earthwind Moreland CB
    • 31 Hank Poteat CB
    • 42 Dexter Reid SS R
    • 22 Asante Samuel CB
    • 26 Eugene Wilson FS

    Special Teams
    • 8 Josh Miller P
    • 66 Lonie Paxton LS
    • 4 Adam Vinatieri K

    2013
    Quarterbacks
    • 12 Tom Brady
    • 15 Ryan Mallett

    Running backs
    • 29 LeGarrette Blount KR
    • 34 Shane Vereen RB
    • 38 Brandon Bolden
    • 46 James Develin FB
    • 22 Stevan Ridley
    • 33 Leon Washington

    Wide receivers
    • 80 Danny Amendola
    • 82 Josh Boyce
    • 17 Aaron Dobson
    • 11 Julian Edelman PR
    • 18 Matthew Slater
    • 85 Kenbrell Thompkins
    • 16 LaQuan Williams

    Tight ends
    • 87 Rob Gronkowski
    • 47 Michael Hoomanawanui
    • 88 Matthew Mulligan

    Offensive linemen
    • 64 Chris Barker G
    • 61 Marcus Cannon G/T
    • 63 Dan Connolly G/C
    • 67 Josh Kline G/C
    • 70 Logan Mankins G
    • 77 Nate Solder T
    • 74 Will Svitek T/G
    • 62 Ryan Wendell C

    Defensive linemen
    • 92 Jake Bequette DE
    • 99 Michael Buchanan DE
    • 96 Andre Carter DE
    • 98 Marcus Forston DT
    • 95 Chandler Jones DE
    • 94 Chris Jones DT
    • 50 Rob Ninkovich DE/OLB
    • 90 Isaac Sopoaga DT/NT
    • 72 Joe Vellano DT

    Linebackers
    • 58 Steve Beauharnais MLB
    • 91 Jamie Collins OLB
    • 52 Dane Fletcher MLB/OLB
    • 54 Dont'a Hightower OLB
    • 55 Brandon Spikes MLB
    • 59 Chris White OLB

    Defensive backs
    • 25 Kyle Arrington CB
    • 23 Marquice Cole CB
    • 37 Alfonzo Dennard CB
    • 43 Nate Ebner SS
    • 28 Steve Gregory SS/FS
    • 30 Duron Harmon FS/SS
    • 32 Devin McCourty FS/CB
    • 26 Logan Ryan CB
    • 31 Aqib Talib CB
    • 27 Tavon Wilson SS/FS

    Special teams
    • 48 Danny Aiken LS
    • 6 Ryan Allen P
    • 3 Stephen Gostkowski K

    I am not seeing what you’re seeing here, that team was strong at defensive line and linebacker outside of that I would say this team has much better depth and talent overall.
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    My point exactly, in 2010 I felt like he won because the team made the bold move to trade Randy Moss and reinvent itself on the fly, this season he has done that times 10.
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    Andy Reid is getting it...what he has done in KC has been outstanding
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    What he has done in terms of being 9-0 is outstanding, but people acting as if he turned around the same team are ridiculous. The most important position on a football team is the QB, they brought in a QB who led his team (49ers) to the 2011 NFC championship game and in 2012 had 1737 passing yards, a 70.2% completion percentage, 13 touchdowns and a 104.1 QB rating last season before Kaepernick took on the starting job. I commend Reid for what he has done in terms of record but that team has as much talent on it as any team in the NFL.
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    This is probably my least favourite award because it's basically the media giving themselves a mulligan on their pre-season prediction. If the media predicted a team would suck, then TOTALLY MISSED THE MARK, they could:

    a) admit they have no ******* clue what they're talking about, or
    b) praise the coach for doing so much more than anyone expected because obviously the media couldn't have been wrong, so it must be that the coach did a great job.

    We might as well rename it the "Coach of the Team We Were Most Wrong About But Don't Want To Admit To Award."

    Having said that much, Andy Reid is a very good coach and I wouldn't be against him winning it, but I'd like to reserve judgment until he plays against at least one real NFL team.

    But since this award is so ridiculously meaningless, I would be willing to give him the award today if it leads to more of these:

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    When you go 14-2, 13-3, 12-4 what seems like every damn year it's difficult for anyone to be impressed anymore.

    They tend to pick the flavors of the month/year instead. That's not necessarily meaning to be a knock on Andy Reid or KC, b/c what they've done has been incredible.

    It's actually an ass-backwards way to look at it, because you'd think more people would be impressed with the ability to constantly go 13-3, 12-4 etc. Unfortunately they just see it as "ho-hum" though.

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