Dez Bryant vs Devin McCourty

[Big-T]

2010 was a fairly successful first round throughout the league if you look at some of the players taken, Rolando McClain stands out as the only really bad pick, the Colts at least got some trade value out of Jerry Hughes and Denver got to the playoffs with Tebow and again, got some trade value out of him.

 

[Rob0729]

I don't know if it was his intelligence but more so his lack of judgement. He was a knucklehead.

Whatever the case may be, I understood why they passed on him then. But given that we're talking about the here and now, I can't justify why I would pick McCourty over Dez given their development to the players they are today.

I know it was lack of intelligence. He got a Wonderlic score of 6. That doesn't judge poor decision making.

At this point, I don't know if I would take Bryant over McCourty. Bryant has been good for one year in three. He isn't intelligent. He looks to be a poor scheme fit (look at Deion Branch, he was a stud in New England and a dud in a different scheme in Seattle. Scheme matters). He is a potential ticking time bomb. So far, he has been a good pick for the Cowboys for one year and they were almost ready to dump him before last year.

 

[chasa]

dez bryant is also a head case that needs 2 24 hour a day 7 day a week baby sitters from the cowboys because hes 1 strike away from an 8 game suspension.

Dez bryant is a child with the maturity of a smaller child.

 

[Ring 6]

dez bryant is also a head case that needs 2 24 hour a day 7 day a week baby sitters from the cowboys because hes 1 strike away from an 8 game suspension.

Dez bryant is a child with the maturity of a smaller child.

And THAT is why the discussion is moot,because he was off our board.

 

[borg]

Dez Bryant is a superstar WR who can make all the catches...physical/speed/athletic. All the love McCourty gets here is primarily because he is a Patriot and the Pats' best S in a very weak grouping.
A six looks hot next to a two.
Has McCourty ever taken over a game? Bryant has.
This debate isn't even close.
Now I get the logic that certain players hold more value to a team than just their performance measurables...and no doubt McCourty is beloved by BB and staff. Do the Pats need a McCourty more than a Bryant? This year ...YES. But looking at the past 3 years....Bryant has been a more impactful NFL player. In year two, McCourty was considered one of the worst CBs in the league and a target of choice by opposing QBs...that can't be denied.
If NE took Bryant instead, the need to overload draft picks for WR this year would have been unnecessary. And because McCourty failed at CB year two to present, not drafting McCourty wouldn't have affected current the current CB roster.

 

[ALP]

None of our WRs outside of a 2007 Randy Moss even come close to the talent level of a Dez Bryant. He is one of the most talented, productive WRs to come out in years. When you watch him on tape, he is so unbelievably talented, players like him don't come along very often. 1400 yards and 12 tds last year. Dez would thrive under Tom, in fact Dez would thrive under any QB.

And 90% of WRs would thrive under Tom...

 

[Brady6]

It could of been great, Hernandez and Bryant would of had a epic bromance.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

On the field, it's hard to argue Dez. The guy is an absolute beast and playmaker while DMC is a solid contributor. But Dez seems to be a complete liability off the field, I just have a feeling he will do something really stupid and after the AH debacle we really can't afford that. So I'd go with DMC.

 

[patsfan13]

None of our WRs outside of a 2007 Randy Moss even come close to the talent level of a Dez Bryant. He is one of the most talented, productive WRs to come out in years. When you watch him on tape, he is so unbelievably talented, players like him don't come along very often. 1400 yards and 12 tds last year. Dez would thrive under Tom, in fact Dez would thrive under any QB.

Welll Moss had an off the charts football IQ, Bryant has a low football IQ from everything we have heard.


Talent doesn't automatically equal success, especially playing with one of the smartest QB's in the history of the league. Bryant would not have been successful playing with Brady IMHO.

 

[SVN]

Our 2007 season has really spoilt our offensive expectations and we just think offense all the time. We need more defense right now. Dont know if McCourty was the right pick or not but bryant really wouldnt have added much to the offense , at least in the regular season . Our offense is one of the best since last 5 yrs. Sure it has been stopped in the playoffs but I would rather have had a defensive player than bryant. Plus dont know how well he wouldve adjusted to the patriots structure and discipline and our media would hounded him like anything.

 

[borg]

And 90% of WRs would thrive under Tom...

That's ridiculous. NE turned over the entire WR corp because of all that thriving??
Millions spent on Stinko and Bipolar Lloyd who dropped to his knees faster than a pro at the Bunny Ranch.
If Dez was a Pat, the WR savings alone would have been huge and that money could have been spent to secure safety help of a higher quality than Gregory...not to mention all that draft capital spent this year at WR.
I get why they passed on Dez and hindsight is 20/20.....but 3 years later....they blew it considering the WR whiffs and McCourty's CB decline.

 

[Rob0729]

That's ridiculous. NE turned over the entire WR corp because of all that thriving??
Millions spent on Stinko and Bipolar Lloyd who dropped to his knees faster than a pro at the Bunny Ranch.
If Dez was a Pat, the WR savings alone would have been huge and that money could have been spent to secure safety help of a higher quality than Gregory...not to mention all that draft capital spent this year at WR.
I get why they passed on Dez and hindsight is 20/20.....but 3 years later....they blew it considering the WR whiffs and McCourty's CB decline.

It is always good to get the Jets fan's perspective. And yes, we know that Kyle Wilson would have been a better pick too because it is clear he is awesome.

 

[BritPat]

It's obvious some people don't actually watch games. Instead they just look at stat lines and make an assumption.

I'm still laughing at the thought of Bryant being the second best WR on the NFL. Holy Christ that's some funny *****.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Dez Bryant is a superstar WR who can make all the catches...physical/speed/athletic. All the love McCourty gets here is primarily because he is a Patriot and the Pats' best S in a very weak grouping.
A six looks hot next to a two.
Has McCourty ever taken over a game? Bryant has.
This debate isn't even close.
Now I get the logic that certain players hold more value to a team than just their performance measurables...and no doubt McCourty is beloved by BB and staff. Do the Pats need a McCourty more than a Bryant? This year ...YES. But looking at the past 3 years....Bryant has been a more impactful NFL player. In year two, McCourty was considered one of the worst CBs in the league and a target of choice by opposing QBs...that can't be denied.
If NE took Bryant instead, the need to overload draft picks for WR this year would have been unnecessary. And because McCourty failed at CB year two to present, not drafting McCourty wouldn't have affected current the current CB roster.

I disagree with your sentiment, and some other similar sentiments, that this is only a debate because of homerism. Had the OP wanted to compare Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, or a slew of other receivers' value to Devin McCourty, you can be sure that no one would be sticking up for DMc. Dez Bryant happens to be the anti-Patriot in so many ways and would certainly be a disaster in this organization. There is almost no doubt about that.

The Patriots are always better than the sum of their parts. When is the last time an offensive player left New England and had any success? Yet the Patriots' last five years have been the most prolific in NFL history. That is because they work well as a unit and their system is based on intelligent reads and reactions to defensive formations.

You really think Dez (Wonderlic score: 6; Tony Romo's favorite screaming target on the sidelines) could run a fast-paced, sophisticated, read-react no-huddle offense all game?

Delusional.

 

[AzPatsFan]

None of our WRs outside of a 2007 Randy Moss even come close to the talent level of a Dez Bryant. He is one of the most talented, productive WRs to come out in years. When you watch him on tape, he is so unbelievably talented, players like him don't come along very often. 1400 yards and 12 tds last year. Dez would thrive under Tom, in fact Dez would thrive under any QB.

WRs who are as dumb as a post, never have done well here. Ask, Ocho Cinco, Joey Galloway, both NFL WR stars elsewhere, or Chad Johnson.

 

[condon84]

Our 2007 season has really spoilt our offensive expectations and we just think offense all the time. We need more defense right now. Dont know if McCourty was the right pick or not but bryant really wouldnt have added much to the offense , at least in the regular season . Our offense is one of the best since last 5 yrs. Sure it has been stopped in the playoffs but I would rather have had a defensive player than bryant. Plus dont know how well he wouldve adjusted to the patriots structure and discipline and our media would hounded him like anything.

Our defense did enough to win the SB in 11 and the playoff loses we've had the past few years. Our offense playing subpar has been the reason why we've lost in the playoffs.

For what it's worth, our defense has done it's job in the playoffs. And a receiver like Dez would have most likely put us over the top.

 

[Rob0729]

Our defense did enough to win the SB in 11 and the playoff loses we've had the past few years. Our offense playing subpar has been the reason why we've lost in the playoffs.

For what it's worth, our defense has done it's job in the playoffs.

Not true. Both sides of the ball have had a hand in the Pats losing in the playoffs. Here are examples how the defense played a role in the losses:

2009 - the run defense killed the team against the Ravens. Couldn't stop Rice at all
2010 - They made Sanchez look good
2011 - Didn't stop Manning on the final drive where he had to drive the entire field in under 2 minutes.
2012 - Made Flacco look like an elite QB

Both sides of the ball played a role in the losses.

 

[Oswlek]

I believe he went from our first string CB in 2010 to a backup by week 10 in 2011, then moved to safety because he was giving up so many Tds and deep balls. Yes McCourty was being picked on a lot in 2011 and some of 2012.

Well then, that explains it. Your belief is wrong.

Hope that clears things up!

 

[Oswlek]

Not true. Both sides of the ball have had a hand in the Pats losing in the playoffs. Here are examples how the defense played a role in the losses:

2009 - the run defense killed the team against the Ravens. Couldn't stop Rice at all
2010 - They made Sanchez look good
2011 - Didn't stop Manning on the final drive where he had to drive the entire field in under 2 minutes.
2012 - Made Flacco look like an elite QB

Both sides of the ball played a role in the losses.

2001, 2003 and 2007 all allowed final drive TDs. That isn't a sign of a defense losing a game, particularly when you only allow 19 points with that TD.

I'm not saying you can't point to plenty of "could have been" defensive moments. But when you are assigning blame for a loss when the offense gave up 2 points, put the D on the field after a single play, turned over the ball, went scoreless over the final 25 minutes and only put 17 points on the board... well, that unit deserves the lion's share.

 

[chasa]

That's ridiculous. NE turned over the entire WR corp because of all that thriving??
Millions spent on Stinko and Bipolar Lloyd who dropped to his knees faster than a pro at the Bunny Ranch.
If Dez was a Pat, the WR savings alone would have been huge and that money could have been spent to secure safety help of a higher quality than Gregory...not to mention all that draft capital spent this year at WR.
I get why they passed on Dez and hindsight is 20/20.....but 3 years later....they blew it considering the WR whiffs and McCourty's CB decline.

what wide receiver savings?

Welkers team friendly franchise tag? Lloyds below market contract? Branches vet minimum?

the only reciever who came in and made more money then they were worth is ocho stinko, and thats really the only big question mark.

Bunch of people complaining about one player on a 53 man roster. Dez bryant for Mccourty does not change as much as people think. We already had the number 1 offense, another weapon isnt going to put us over the top when our defense wasnt as good, and our defense wasnt as good isnt because of mccourty.