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Wes Welker bolts Patriots for Broncos - Sports - The Boston Globe

The Patriots could have had Welker for the same deal through 2014 — if not a little less — last offseason. But they didn’t do the deal last July, and they expected Welker to give them that discount in any event. But in Welker’s mind, he had to risk his career playing on that one-year tag. Why should he give the team a discount on that now?

In the end, the Patriots expected Welker to pay for their mistake of last offseason, with the help of a down market for free agent receivers. He declined to do that.

But Welker needed to find another team. As of Wednesday morning, there was no market for him; the Patriots appeared to have gauged the market perfectly. The Broncos previously expressed no interest in Welker. Members of their front office didn’t think Welker would be a good fit; they wanted to get better at the tight end position instead.

Perhaps that was a smokescreen, because Broncos sources said many in the front office thought Welker would be a perfect fit — and signing him could weaken a fellow AFC contender at the same time. Team president John Elway might have played possum so the Patriots would think there were no competitors for Welker.

Whether it was a planned deception or not, the Broncos were in perfect position to land Welker if he felt scorned by the Patriots. He did, and both sides quickly pushed toward a deal.

The Patriots made one last push to retain Welker, as Kraft talked to the receiver personally. The Patriots did not make a counter-offer, so the decision for Welker was easy. He was off to play with two very good outside threats in Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker — something he never had in New England — and another Hall of Fame-bound quarterback in Manning.

With Welker gone, Belichick and offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels can move forward with an offense that we saw glimpses of early last season — one they feel will make them tougher to defend, especially in the playoffs.

With Welker, Gronkowski, and Hernandez, the Patriots had too many weapons that worked best in the middle of the field.

Removing Welker should leave the middle to the tight ends, with Hernandez taking most of Welker’s snaps inside the numbers. They could also use the other tight ends, Jake Ballard and Michael Hoomanwanui, more with Gronkowski to free up Hernandez as a receiver.

Amendola, who played for McDaniels in St. Louis, and a re-signed Edelman would be outside the numbers, running a variety of short passes, bubble screens, and crossing routes.

The real key to taking the offense to the next level is finding a dynamic boundary receiver with similar traits to Randy Moss. Barring a trade for a Larry Fitzgerald type, the Patriots will have to find that player in the draft.

They have a terrible track record, but it’s time for them to deliver their first consistent receiver in the draft since 2002 (Deion Branch, David Givens). DeAndre Hopkins (Clemson), Justin Hunter (Tennessee), Keenan Allen (Cal), Terrance Williams (Baylor), and Markus Wheaton (Oregon State) are among those who have that type of potential.

The Patriots, through an unnecessarily messy endgame, have made their decision to move on from Welker, and they have a plan that makes the team better. Now it’s up to them to execute it.
not sure about changing the offense. Josh's ex ram receiver's havent exactly lit up the offense yet so that remains to be seen.
 
not sure about changing the offense. Josh's ex ram receiver's havent exactly lit up the offense yet so that remains to be seen.

Well it is one receiver, Lloyd and he had 900 yards as the 3rd and sometimes 4th option last year.
 
A lot of the moves have McDaniels' fingerprints over them. 4 Rams players now on the roster. Added Lloyd and Salas last year. Tried to freeze out Welker in the first few games this season for no reason.

Completely moving away from Welker like this is also more cold than Kraft or Belichick's typical history.

Belichick still ultimately OK's every move, but McDaniels clearly has his ear on a lot of moves, which is probably not a good thing since there is zero proof (and a lot of proof the other way) that McDaniels is a good talent evaluator.
 
there is zero proof (and a lot of proof the other way) that McDaniels is a good talent evaluator.
McDaniels did a good job of picking the two WRs that Welker will be playing between next season.
 
Maybe JMD and the Pats will add D Thomas or Eric Decker in years to come.
 
McDaniels did a good job of picking the two WRs that Welker will be playing between next season.

LOL! Yes, if only McDaniels could draft WR studs like Demarius Thomas and Eric Decker. :D
 
Maybe JMD and the Pats will add D Thomas or Eric Decker in years to come.
Well if the rest of free agency plays out like I expect it to (WR depth and defense), then McDaniels should get a chance to pick his new #1 WR in the draft. There are plenty of options.
 
since there is zero proof (and a lot of proof the other way) that McDaniels is a good talent evaluator.

Well first off McDaniels had a say in Welker coming here in '07 and secondly he is the guy that drafted Thomas and Decker.

So yes there is proof he can evaluate talent.

He's also the guy that was calling the plays when Lloyd had his 3 best seasons in the NFL.
 
where is tavon austin projected to be drafted at? do the Patriots have any chance at him? that guy is a stud.
 
where is tavon austin projected to be drafted at? do the Patriots have any chance at him? that guy is a stud.
Most likely before the Pats pick. With the Rams and Vikings each having two picks before the Pats and each having lost a slot receiver in the past two days, I can't see him getting to 29.
 
We have almost zero chance at getting Austin.

where is tavon austin projected to be drafted at? do the Patriots have any chance at him? that guy is a stud.
 
A lot of the moves have McDaniels' fingerprints over them. 4 Rams players now on the roster. Added Lloyd and Salas last year. Tried to freeze out Welker in the first few games this season for no reason.

Completely moving away from Welker like this is also more cold than Kraft or Belichick's typical history.

Belichick still ultimately OK's every move, but McDaniels clearly has his ear on a lot of moves, which is probably not a good thing since there is zero proof (and a lot of proof the other way) that McDaniels is a good talent evaluator.

I don't even know where to begin here.

What is "cold" about making a player a fair offer, especially when said player was paid well over market value the year before? The Pats were prepared to pay Wes 20M over 3 years. Paying that much to an aging slot receiver is more than fair, apparently above market, and far, far from "cold".

Why are Decker and Thomas not evidence of McDaniels' eye for talent?

I love how when people disagree with a personnel or coaching decision they try to divorce it from BB. The likely scenario is that it is painfully obvious to BB (as it is to most of this board) that the Pats need more big plays in the passing game to beat good teams in January. Lloyd, although he didn't completely work out, was brought in for that purpose. Edelman was playing more snaps--sometimes at the expense of Welker--because Edelman, unlike Welker, brings big play potential. Unfortunately, he got hurt just as he was beginning to show that potential. Bottom line--BB is in charge here, and the unifying principle of all of these moves is that the Pats offense needs to become more diverse and explosive. Overpaying for Welker would have frustrated that goal.
 
So....what's next for the WR crew?

Cut Lloyd
Resign Edelman with some of the $$ saved by cutting Lloyd
Sign Nelson
Draft big, explosive WR round 1 or 2
 
Edelman was playing more snaps--sometimes at the expense of Welker--because Edelman, unlike Welker, brings big play potential.
I'll have to disagree with the WW and big play potential. I can (consistently) making those 6-10 yard catches to move the chains big plays. They may not kill you at one time, but it does wear a defense down (which seems to be one of the patriots strengths).

But, I understand where you are going with your comment, though not sure edleman is big play. Still, WW was a great receiver for us and sadly, he'll be a great receiver for Denver :(.
 
"Removing Welker should leave the middle to the tight ends, with Hernandez taking most of Welker’s snaps inside the numbers. They could also use the other tight ends, Jake Ballard and Michael Hoomanwanui, more with Gronkowski to free up Hernandez as a receiver."

Aaron Hernanadez, who is injury prone and has butter fingers will take most of Welker's snaps inside the numbers?????? If that's the plan the Patriots are in trouble.
 
My problem with Bedard's view (who I think is one of the best writers in town) is he states the offense is trying to evolve.. Which I have NO problem with.. Welker covers the same area as the TE's (even though he is healthy).. My problem is they paid basically the same amt of money for Danny..

Just smells like something more than "evolving the offense"
 
My problem with Bedard's view (who I think is one of the best writers in town) is he states the offense is trying to evolve.. Which I have NO problem with.. Welker covers the same area as the TE's (even though he is healthy).. My problem is they paid basically the same amt of money for Danny..

Just smells like something more than "evolving the offense"

In the article he says that he envisions Amendola and Edelman playing on the outside more.

And, to be fair, Hernandez does excel in the middle of the field.
 
I'll have to disagree with the WW and big play potential. I can (consistently) making those 6-10 yard catches to move the chains big plays. They may not kill you at one time, but it does wear a defense down (which seems to be one of the patriots strengths).

But, I understand where you are going with your comment, though not sure edleman is big play. Still, WW was a great receiver for us and sadly, he'll be a great receiver for Denver :(.

6-10 yard gains are fine against most of the league, because those teams can't gird up their loins in the redzone. So, the Pats just move down the field and on into the end zone.

Problem is, good teams toughen up in the red zone; good teams apply pressure and take the ball away if given enough opportunities. Against these teams the dink and dunk approach has not been working, so it seems reasonable to tweak things a bit.
 
6-10 yard gains are fine against most of the league, because those teams can't gird up their loins in the redzone. So, the Pats just move down the field and on into the end zone.

Problem is, good teams toughen up in the red zone; good teams apply pressure and take the ball away if given enough opportunities. Against these teams the dink and dunk approach has not been working, so it seems reasonable to tweak things a bit.

Excellent points.
 
I can't wait till Matthew Slater becomes the deep threat this team needs.... :D Maybe brady will force some more deep throws into the end zone into double coverage to him....:mad:
 
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