The non-call on the 4th Down Hold

[DaBruinz]

As many others have been saying, I don't care which direction a single call goes, I just want them to be consistent and predictable about how they call things.

And to me, it was pretty consistent.

How could it have been "CONSISTENT" when it was as bad as the Culliver PI earlier that was called?

People claiming that it was "consistent" are trying to convince themselves that it was...

 

[DaBruinz]

They both held eachother. Might as well call it on both... or just to keep things simple, they didn't call it at all.

WRONG. Crabtree did not hold onto Jimmy Smith. That is just BS on your part.

 

[DaBruinz]

No way in hell do I want a refs to give the 49ers a victory, remember, they get a whole set of downs and they can milk the clock, on a questionable call. I saw contact on both players and it wasn't much, and those no calls happen all the time.

The throw was crap, he barely got it off. If the 49ers wanted to score they should have jammed the ball inside. You don't win by needing the refs. You win in spite of the refs.

This is why the Pats are crap lately. They do gimmick plays, they whine about one or two plays (wellker drops) and they fail to see the bigger picture. The game is, ultimately, won by the team most hungry to win. Tonight, and against the pats, the ravens were more hungry. The pats have no hunger, only gimmick strategy.

You are blind. You clearly have no clue that there is a difference between CONTACT and actually HOLDING a player's jersey, which is what Smith was doing. Claiming that there was contact by both players and saying that there wasn't much of it basically says you have no idea about the rules.

What you and so many other people don't seem to realize is that the throw being catchable has no bearing on defensive holding calls. NONE.

 

[DaBruinz]

Crabtree made there would be no call by pushing off on the defenders helmet. Torrey smith was not pushing off, so the refs threw the flag.

That's the way mutual contact works and people need to stop questioning the refs based on who they would like to see win. Nobody complained when the miners benefitted by a similar non call at the same critical moment when they were playing the falcons.

Crabtree wasn't pushing off of Smith's helmet. Smith was FALLING DOWN after having tripped over his own feet trying to hold onto Crabtree. Crabtree's arms were moving like anyone's do when they are running and went against Smith's helmet as he fell. That isn't pushing off.

 

[Joker]

Another play that cost the 49ers dearly was a no call when Torrey Smith went over the top of Culliver. It was obvious offensive pass interference, but was not called. It would have been an interception, instead the Ravens eventually scored.

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No one wants to address THIS at all...not one of the "it wasn't PI in the end zone!!" apologists...I wonder why????

 

[DaBruinz]

Good non call, imo! You don't make a call to make up for a teams bad play/pass.

Both guys had hands on each other, PI could have gone either way but it was the right thing to do not make that call. It wasn't a obvious call on either player, imo so let it play out. The route was bad and the pass wasn't there.

First off, No, PI couldn't have gone either way because, as was stated, the pass wasn't catchable. However, DEFENSIVE HOLDING (which is what the whole thread is about) should have been called because the pass has no bearing on the penalty call.

While Crabtree did have a hand on Smith he was not holding Smith. That is not PI. Especially since the ball was uncatchable. It IS holding when the defensive player PULLS the jersey and alters the course of the receiver's route.

It was an OBVIOUS defensive holding call. Only people who don't know the rules or are making things up that just didn't happen are saying otherwise.

 

[Nevermore2]

Because it wasn't a penalty. The rules for late hits on a QB change when the QB is out of the pocket, and Flacco was not out of bounds.

Brady would have gotten the flag. Fact.

 

[IllegalContact]

Crabtree wasn't pushing off of Smith's helmet. Smith was FALLING DOWN after having tripped over his own feet trying to hold onto Crabtree. Crabtree's arms were moving like anyone's do when they are running and went against Smith's helmet as he fell. That isn't pushing off.

they weren't even in the end zone when both had their hands all over each other......the play was blown by crabtree before the ball was even thrown as he focused more on tangling with smith than getting to the corner....more fault can be place on either crabtree or the play call to have him turned inside towards the defender......if the route had him turned outside, then everything changes.....

I guess people see what they want to see

 

[IllegalContact]

First off, No, PI couldn't have gone either way because, as was stated, the pass wasn't catchable. However, DEFENSIVE HOLDING (which is what the whole thread is about) should have been called because the pass has no bearing on the penalty call.

While Crabtree did have a hand on Smith he was not holding Smith. That is not PI. Especially since the ball was uncatchable. It IS holding when the defensive player PULLS the jersey and alters the course of the receiver's route.

It was an OBVIOUS defensive holding call. Only people who don't know the rules or are making things up that just didn't happen are saying otherwise.

nothing is obvious as long as both players are in contact.....the contact that existed before they had gotten to the endzone was deemed mutual, and the camera angle does not display whether crabtree was holding smith.....can't see his hands at that juncture.

I'm no fan of the ravens, but no call on that play is ok by me

 

[Lanuch1110]

This poll is a loaded question. In any other game on any other day, absolutley its a hold. With the way that game was called, I don't see how the can make that call to basically decide the game. You give a team like the 9ers 8 tries to get in the end zone, they get in. But for the situation I think the made the right call

 

[Pat the Pats Fan]

This poll is a loaded question. In any other game on any other day, absolutley its a hold. With the way that game was called, I don't see how the can make that call to basically decide the game. You give a team like the 9ers 8 tries to get in the end zone, they get in. But for the situation I think the made the right call

Throwing the flag, or not throwing the flag, right or wrong, that decided the game. That was a controversial call. Niners will be pulling a Marshall Faulk in the future, saying that's why they lost the game. Ravens will be saying get over it.....

I would prefer the refs to be consistent, that play would have drawn a flag in any other game, it should have drown one then too.

 

[Nunchucks]

It doesn't matter whether it was or not. It wasn't called, get over it and move on. The 49ers did not do enough to win and they lost. If a team loses because of a crappy call, then they deserved to lose.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Brady would have gotten the flag. Fact.

Glad to see an actual NFL ref posting here

 

[Calhoun44]

What about off-setting penalties? Would that make it a "do over"? If that was an option I like that call. It seems like letting a ref off the hook point of view, but I really believe not as many people would be able to complain about that call.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

What about off-setting penalties? Would that make it a "do over"? If that was an option I like that call. It seems like letting a ref off the hook point of view, but I really believe not as many people would be able to complain about that call.

That would have been the correct course of action based on the kung fu match with minimal impact on the game

 

[BradyManny]

What about off-setting penalties? Would that make it a "do over"? If that was an option I like that call. It seems like letting a ref off the hook point of view, but I really believe not as many people would be able to complain about that call.

Or the refs could just make the call as the rules afford them to.

The bottom line is, refs are human, they got caught up in the moment. There was 0 chance of that guy pulling the flag out of his pocket on that play. Maybe you just have to give kudos to the corner for realizing in that situation that he could get away with murder.

Refs choke, too.

 

[captain stone]

Brady would have gotten the flag. Fact.

Wrong, you dumbass murderer-apologist.

 

[juny]

This former ref thought it was a foul on 4th down. Video in link:

Holding on intentional safety exposes loophole in rules | ProFootballTalk

Also the refs missed a helmet-to-helmet on a defenseless receiver on 3rd down. That line judge better not show up in SF anytime soon.

crabtree - smith hit - YouTube

 

[Joker]

OK...finally found the time to go over every play in the Bowl....here is what I saw and checked and rechecked the yardage on...the Ravens had 41 illegal contact/pass interference fouls, the Niners had 22. The Niners were called for one, the Ravens zero.

What this means is that the preseason and regular season NFL rules do not apply in the post season, and, as we have all seen time and again the past five years, especially the Super Bowl. The 5 yard rule expands to 10 yards and even beyond in some cases, to the point that it would seem it is just not going to be called unless 5 zebras see it at the same time.

Welcome to the McMahonization of the NFL.

 

[Sciz]

OK...finally found the time to go over every play in the Bowl....here is what I saw and checked and rechecked the yardage on...the Ravens had 41 illegal contact/pass interference fouls, the Niners had 22. The Niners were called for one, the Ravens zero.

What this means is that the preseason and regular season NFL rules do not apply in the post season, and, as we have all seen time and again the past five years, especially the Super Bowl. The 5 yard rule expands to 10 yards and even beyond in some cases, to the point that it would seem it is just not going to be called unless 5 zebras see it at the same time.

Welcome to the McMahonization of the NFL.

While you're at it, you should do this for the Pats/Ravens game. I'm really interested in if Mangini was right.