Video of Richard Sherman getting slapped after the WSH game

[thenepatsrule]

And it shouldn't be that way. Trash talking has zero to do with performance.

Wrong Trash talking has Zero to do with your own performance but it gives bulletin board material to the other team .And then when when you dont live up to it people call you REX RYAN

 

[upstater1]

No, we're not "not getting it".

What we are saying is that the distinction does not matter.

It's not supporting Sherman either. It's saying man up and eat your lumpy lumps and face defeat.

Just like what they say about running up the score - if you don't like it - WIN!!

Haha we won is one thing. You're nothing is quite another. To Tom Brady.

It's idiotic. Make no mistake, everyone in football who saw that thought it was idiotic. And here you are thinking it was a good thing.

 

[DocHoliday]

Wrong Trash talking has Zero to do with your own performance but it gives bulletin board material to the other team .And then when when you dont live up to it people call you REX RYAN

That's really your unsubstantiated opinion. There is zero proof that giving bulletin board material is going to make a difference. These are the pros. They made it through HS, college, and were that elite 4% that made it to the NFL. They don't need bulletin board material.

Haha we won is one thing. You're nothing is quite another. To Tom Brady.

It's idiotic. Make no mistake, everyone in football who saw that thought it was idiotic. And here you are thinking it was a good thing.

I never said I was glad Sherman said that - only that every player has the right to talk trash, that I doubt Brady didn't ask for it (he certainly never denied not telling Sherman to see him after), that not talking trash after the game doesn't make you a saint, among other things.

And Pats fans found it idiotic because we love Brady. The rest of the league ate it up. The Patriots are reviled and widely hated, trying to act 'classy' as fans and making a big deal out of our favorite players not hurting some feelings is silly.

Brady didn't say anything in response (he did, but he tried to take the higher ground about citing how his dad taught him respect or something). Why?

He got beat. Hopefully he won't be beat again.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Let us all hope Tom Brady gets to see the little punch-catcher one more time this year!

I GUARANTEE everyone if that happens, Sherman won't be hanging around at the end of the game.

 

[PatriotsReign]

That's really your unsubstantiated opinion. There is zero proof that giving bulletin board material is going to make a difference. These are the pros. They made it through HS, college, and were that elite 4% that made it to the NFL. They don't need bulletin board material.



I never said I was glad Sherman said that - only that every player has the right to talk trash, that I doubt Brady didn't ask for it (he certainly never denied not telling Sherman to see him after), that not talking trash after the game doesn't make you a saint, among other things.

And Pats fans found it idiotic because we love Brady. The rest of the league ate it up. The Patriots are reviled and widely hated, trying to act 'classy' as fans and making a big deal out of our favorite players not hurting some feelings is silly.

Brady didn't say anything in response (he did, but he tried to take the higher ground about citing how his dad taught him respect or something). Why?

He got beat. Hopefully he won't be beat again.

Doc, you may "believe" that honor, respect and class mean nothing, but if you do, you're dead wrong.

Integrity and humility are important keys to success in life. That's universally accepted fact. By getting in somone's face AFTER a professional sporting event is like telling everyone you're a punk and a thug. I can't see how anyone would translate such action any other way.

Maybe you'll lucky enough once you start practicing to have a lawyer hand you a summons and say, "In your face Doc!"

 

[DocHoliday]

Doc, you may "believe" that honor, respect and class mean nothing, but if you do, you're dead wrong.

Integrity and humility are important keys to success in life. That's universally accepted fact.

Maybe you'll lucky enough once you start practicing to have a lawyer hand you a summons and say, "In your face Doc!"

In life, sure. But I like my football dirty, hard hitting, and unfiltered.

It's funny, you are the quintessential 'no nanny state, no bleeding hearts, dog eat dog' when it comes to government affairs, and quite a believer of esteem, respect, etc on the football field.

I suppose I am the very opposite. Gotta get a little of each somewhere I suppose.

 

[PatriotsReign]

In life, sure. But I like my football dirty, hard hitting, and unfiltered.

It's funny, you are the quintessential 'no nanny state, no bleeding hearts, dog eat dog' when it comes to government affairs, and quite a believer of esteem, respect, etc on the football field.

I suppose I am the very opposite. Gotta get a little of each somewhere I suppose.

I believe a person with good character can be left or right politically. And I don't understand what your reference even meant. I never said no bleeding hearts or dog eat dog...that's YOUR interpretation of my view I guess.

You trying to link politics with the character of an NFL player is like believing a liberal can't be a tough guy. It makes no sense at all.

Bottom line for me is that I believe trash-talking after a game is a reflection of poor character. Maybe you could get away with it once or twice...but if the norm for a player, I'd say he/she has poor character. And if I saw a high school player do it, it's even worse!

 

[Deus Irae]

And it shouldn't be that way. Trash talking has zero to do with performance.

That is actually untrue, because it's a variable depending upon the individual.

It's just brand management, and artificial constraints like that are silly and shouldn't be confused for genuine class. Patriots keeping their trash talking away from the mic doesn't make them any better if they're still talking on the field. You're just hiding it.

Again, this is simply untrue.

 

[DocHoliday]

That is actually untrue, because it's a variable depending upon the individual.

You know, I never did see that controlled, blind study on football performance and trash talking. Belichick's MO being off-field quiet doesn't make it untrue, nor do any single games make it untrue.

Again, this is simply untrue.

It's untrue because you don't think the Patriots play the brand management game?

I know you don't mean the second because you can't call a value judgement like 'a player who talks trash on the field but not off isn't any better of a person than someone who talks trash regardless' untrue.

 

[Deus Irae]

You know, I never did see that controlled, blind study on football performance and trash talking. Belichick's MO being off-field quiet doesn't make it untrue, nor do any single games make it untrue.

I've played enough sports to have seen it first hand on goodness knows how many occasions. Some players are better when quiet as church mice, others are better when they don't shut up, and others fall in between. It's a individual thing, just as some players can play better when pissed off and others get totally taken out of a game if they get pissed.

It's untrue because you don't think the Patriots play the brand management game?

I know you don't mean the second because you can't call a value judgement like 'a player who talks trash on the field but not off isn't any better of a person than someone who talks trash regardless' untrue.

No, it's untrue because you claimed that it was "just" brand management when it's more than that.

 

[PatriotsReign]

I've played enough sports to have seen it first hand on goodness knows how many occasions. Some players are better when quiet as church mice, others are better when they don't shut up, and others fall in between. It's a individual thing, just as some players can play better when pissed off and others get totally taken out of a game if they get pissed.



No, it's untrue because you claimed that it was "just" brand management when it's more than that.

I'm gonna pass the baton to you nnd the good Doc. See if you can do as well as I did against him because...



I won man....IN DOC'S FACE!!!

Seriously though, I am done. Man, we can argue over the wierdest crap...and yup, I'm guilty as charged.

 

[upstater1]

That's really your unsubstantiated opinion. There is zero proof that giving bulletin board material is going to make a difference. These are the pros. They made it through HS, college, and were that elite 4% that made it to the NFL. They don't need bulletin board material.



I never said I was glad Sherman said that - only that every player has the right to talk trash, that I doubt Brady didn't ask for it (he certainly never denied not telling Sherman to see him after), that not talking trash after the game doesn't make you a saint, among other things.

And Pats fans found it idiotic because we love Brady. The rest of the league ate it up. The Patriots are reviled and widely hated, trying to act 'classy' as fans and making a big deal out of our favorite players not hurting some feelings is silly.

Brady didn't say anything in response (he did, but he tried to take the higher ground about citing how his dad taught him respect or something). Why?

He got beat. Hopefully he won't be beat again.

Sherman said "You're nothing" to the GOAT. Not, "You lost."

Guy is an idiot.

 

[DocHoliday]

I've played enough sports to have seen it first hand on goodness knows how many occasions. Some players are better when quiet as church mice, others are better when they don't shut up, and others fall in between. It's a individual thing, just as some players can play better when pissed off and others get totally taken out of a game if they get pissed.



No, it's untrue because you claimed that it was "just" brand management when it's more than that.

Your second assertion relies on the validity of the first, since if the first is true all you have left is brand management.

Until one of us comes with solid proof that trash talking has any measurable affect on performance in the NFL we're talking circles.

 

[Deus Irae]

Your second assertion relies on the validity of the first, since if the first is true all you have left is brand management.

No, it doesn't. Now you're trying to make obviously false tie-ins. But, you're right, this isn't going to get resolved. If you haven't played enough to see how trash talking helps/hurts players on an individual basis, there's no real middle ground here.

 

[fnordcircle]

Also, pretty funny, Fnord, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, you write (and seemingly miss the irony) is that Harrison GOT FLAGGED for what he did.

Wooooooooossssshhhhhhhhhh.........

Not sure if you're being willfully ignorant just to try to 'win' but if you follow the context of the discussion, at all, it's obvious that I'm talking about how this board treats players. Whether he was flagged is irrelevant.

And like every other fan board in the world, a guy is a super douche unless he wears the right color jersey. If he wears your favorite team's jersey he's just a hard nosed guy who plays hard, right?

Beyond all of that, the point is that wishing harm to someone who has done nothing but talk **** is beyond typical fan bias and slips into barbarism.

 

[crew1954]

Here ya go:

Millen and Long Put Late Hit on Patriots' GM - Los Angeles Times

.....and as opposed to those in this thread claiming "if he wore our colors you would be taking his side...." - - - nope - - I wouldn't have minded if Millen broke that Little Lord Fauntroy's nose under those circumstances.

If I recall correctly, the Long/Sullivan feud went back further.

Howie was a Milford kid by way of Charlestown, who had played college ball at a small school ( Villeneuva).


Long had hopes of playing for the hometown squad and the Sullivan kid said something to the effect that Howie wasn't good enough to play for the Pats.

 

[Captain Cliche]

Williams made a huge mistake....he should have closed his hand and broken that mouthy bit ch's jaw.

I don't know what sheltered planet some of you nancy boys come from, but where I come from, you get in someone's face, you run the risk of getting your ass kicked. Hiding behind his teammates was a classic pu ssy move.

One of my favorites was Rothlesburger getting decked by Seymour. Rapist got what he deserved and Richard Seymour is the last person on the planet I would pick to antagonize.

 

[shmessy]

Not sure if you're being willfully ignorant just to try to 'win' but if you follow the context of the discussion, at all, it's obvious that I'm talking about how this board treats players. Whether he was flagged is irrelevant.

And like every other fan board in the world, a guy is a super douche unless he wears the right color jersey. If he wears your favorite team's jersey he's just a hard nosed guy who plays hard, right?

Beyond all of that, the point is that wishing harm to someone who has done nothing but talk **** is beyond typical fan bias and slips into barbarism.

Who the hell are you to be going around putting words in other peoples' mouths?

I FULLY supported BB sitting Welker down in that playoff game with the Jets for what he said about Ryan before the game. I fully support Harrison being flagged for late hits and suspended for PED's. I fully supported Pat Sullivan getting his for getting up in Millen's grill after the 1985 playoff game.

Argue whatever point you want to make, but if you are going to paint me or other posters here with YOUR projections, you're going to get a very hard time.

I said all along that Harrison SHOULD have been flagged and he was. He served the punishment.

Welker should have been sat down for violating BB's rules and he did. He served the punishment.

Pat Sullivan should have been planted for taunting Millen. He was.

 

[RayClay]

So, this clown failed the drug test and is only playing because of a technicality?

 

[RayClay]

If I recall correctly, the Long/Sullivan feud went back further.

Howie was a Milford kid by way of Charlestown, who had played college ball at a small school ( Villeneuva).


Long had hopes of playing for the hometown squad and the Sullivan kid said something to the effect that Howie wasn't good enough to play for the Pats.

Can't say that's wrong, but it doesn't sound right. He was a second round pick and Villanova is prominent enough for him to have to have been honorable mention All America and all Big East.

Al Davis was from Brockton originally, there was the Stingley incident, Billy Sullivan called him a liar over some court disputes and i believe long had been bad mouthing the Patriots, maybe about the Hannah hold out.

They did pick Tony Collins right before him, but i imagine it was because they needed a running back.

I've never heard anything but Long chiding the Pats, maybe because they could have had him?

The Pats had a good defense including four good D linemen. I've just never heard of Sullivan saying he wasn't good enough (before that playoff when he had a few adult beverages in him), but maybe he did.

Those teams had damn good personnel in those years, so i doubt they drafted based on hometown's, that was the early years.