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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Spending so many high draft picks on busts at CB for so long has hurt us more than anything the last few years. Not sure whose fault that is.
And if you choose to draft only ONE safety over a four year period prior to 2012, that guy better damn well pan out, especially if you're prone to releasing your two long-time starting safeties on the eve of the 2011 season. You cant predict injuries, but the Chung pick is looking pretty horrible right now.
Even though he's a rat, the 2000-2004 Eric Mangini coached secondary wasn't bad so he should be under consideration at least to come back in a DB coaches capacity.
It's also worth mentioning he's coached a couple elite CBs in his time too.
Ellis Hobbs, Asante Samuel, Eugene Wilson, Randall Gay, Darius Butler, Brandon Meriweather, James Sanders, Terrence Wheatley all went on to play for other teams with mostly good results.
The Pats can't draft receivers but they do ok with their DBs. The regression appears to be a scheme/coaching issue to me. I could be wrong but the evidence points this way.
NITPICKER NOTES: 1. Hobbs retired due to injury 2. Butler is playing for the Colts as their nickel (albeit due to injuries) 3. Wheatley is a bum (although still employed in the NFL).
Chris Canty was the only high draft pick at the position (that I can recall) that was a bust and that was a Petey Pick. Unless you count Wheatley and Wilhite but they both went on to play for other teams.
Chung is waaay too early to call but I think he's far from a bust right now.
Correct me if I'm wrong here...
Again.....
Lay out an actual, well-reasoned case why the ongoing suckiness of the secondary is not a result of the coaching. Include in your presentation specific details as to why several Pats' players in the secondary (such as, but not limited to, Eugene Wilson, Devin McCourty) began their Patriots careers with noticeable success before regressing. Also, detail what actions and/or characteristics of the current secondary coach are helping the Patriots be a better team.
Until you do that, I'm afraid we'll have to assume that you're just--what was that phrase again?--talking out of your ass.
Ellis Hobbs, Asante Samuel, Eugene Wilson, Randall Gay, Darius Butler, Brandon Meriweather, James Sanders, Terrence Wheatley all went on to play for other teams with mostly good results.
The Pats can't draft receivers but they do ok with their DBs. The regression appears to be a scheme/coaching issue to me. I could be wrong but the evidence points this way.
NITPICKER NOTES: 1. Hobbs retired due to injury 2. Butler is playing for the Colts as their nickel (albeit due to injuries) 3. Wheatley is a bum (although still employed in the NFL).
Unfortunately, you failed to mention the New England Patriots starting safeties during the 2003-2004 NFL Seasons were Rodney Harrison and Eugene Wilson.
Our secondary sucks. Yes it does. But what can the Pats do to fix that? We are going to have to make corrections with the personnel we currently have because I don't see any team in the NFL willing to help improve our defense for draft picks.
Albeit the current roster does not have a Rodney Harrison, i refuse to believe a secondary can be this bad because we don't have a star player a la a Rodney Harrison. It should be not as good, yes, but to be the laughing stock of the NFL without a Rodney lead Secondary, i wouldnt go that far.
Also our front 7 is very formidable in comparison to the 2003-2004 teams front 7.
As you noted, Hobbs retired due to injury
Wilson was never the same after that second Super Bowl injury
Meriweather was benched in Chicago
Gay had lost his starting job, and had to retire due to concussions
Butler is only playing due to injury
Wheatley only played in one game after leaving the Patriots, and is out of football
Sanders is a backup/depth guy in Arizona
So, the only player who's gone on to have good results post-NE, be it because of injury or other issue, is Samuel.
I didn't like the way the got rid of Meriweather and Sanders last year, and I stand by that, but it's not as if either of them has lit the world on fire.
That's why the most logical and most immediate decision is to replace the coaching. It starts with the DC in Patricia. Downgrade him back to LB coach and get rid of Boyers. With these guys leading our defensive braintrust, we have been consistently one of the worst defensive teams year in and year out.
Yes we might be missing a few talented players in the secondary, but a good DC coordinator can cover it up wayyyyyyyy better than Patricia and his vanilla defense. It's kind of unfair that I am using Boyers as a scapegoat because honestly i have no idea what he is teaching the secondary back there, but it is obviously has not been working and it wouldn't hurt to infuse some new blood to shake up the defensive philosophy.
BB needs to stop promoting from within and hire more capable well established coaches to his arsenal, especially on defense. Which for whatever reason, he has been very reluctant about since he has been here. Maybe due to Ego??? We could get results within a few weeks versus waiting another season to hopefully get a stud CB.
1. Improve the DB scouting reports.Our secondary sucks. Yes it does. But what can the Pats do to fix that? We are going to have to make corrections with the personnel we currently have because I don't see any team in the NFL willing to help improve our defense for draft picks.
Quentin Jammer,Sam Shields or Brent Grimes would be nice vets to add next year for help in the secondary
Some good safeties will be available too.
Even though he wasn't the greatest tackler for the Jets - Kerry Rhodes would be a good pickup, he's improved a ton in Arizona and is good in coverage.
Brent Grimes tore his achilles tendon.Quentin Jammer,Sam Shields or Brent Grimes would be nice vets to add next year for help in the secondary
Brent Grimes tore his achilles tendon.