WHY is it that Ocho could not....

[WhoaDirty]

I'd be curious how many of the posters who are calling Chad dumb could learn the playbook.

A lot of people just don't have the mind to understand certain things. I know people that can do ridiculously hard calculus problems, but couldn't follow instructions to build a clock in shop class. Doesn't mean they are dumb Everyone has limitations, complex route trees were obviously Chad's.

 

[SuperStang83]

Ocho is the Vick of WRs...

 

[unoriginal]

Oucho just tried to "get open" instead of learning the correct option for each situation.

Former TE Wiggins and some broadcaster (Bedard) broke down a play in which Ocho was supposed to come back and seal the defender off (the safe route). Instead he broke toward open space and the endzone, allowing said defender to get under him when Brady threw to where he was supposed to be.

You can lead a horse to water...

Still there. Observe.

Inside the Playbook: Brady to Ochocinco interception - YouTube

That's a nice link, but that's not quite what Wiggins is saying. Wiggins is saying Ocho made a bad cut; he rounded off the top of his route instead of being fundamentally sound, making a sharp in-cut. It was a physical breakdown, not mental. (Yeah, yeah, 90% of physical is mental).

Whenever you make a "horizontal cut", either an out or an in, you are supposed to go back towards the QB slightly so the defender can't cut back underneath you and disrupt the pass. The appropriate criticism here is that Ocho was not a precise route runner.

 

[patsfan13]

In Cincy Ocho ran patterns and could freelance, apparently didn't run disciplined.

In this system you don't just run a predetermined pass pattern. You have to read the D along with the QB and all the other receivers and run the correct pattern based on the pre snap read, Hi IQ receivers like R Moss, B Lloyd, D Branch and W Welker can do this Ocho, C Jackson, B Johnson couldn't figure that out. Low football IQ + fail in this system.

 

[ATippett56]

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[JoeSixPat]

figure out our playbook and even GET out on the Field last year.....and Brandon Lloyd comes here and makes an IMMEDIATE impact????? I just can't figure this one out. I mean I know Ocho isn't the brightest bulb on the christmas tree, but you would have thought he would have been able to get into the game at SOME POINT last season and run at the least the old "down and out." Lloyd for his part looked brilliant. Ran nice crisp routes....ran hard on every play and was beating the Tenn CB's like a drum.....

I never saw Ocho exhibit any kind of separation speed here in 2011 - or in 2010 for Cinci for that matter, where that was pretty much the extent of the plays that Johnson ran... Simple separation through speed.

His diminishing returns in Cinci made me less than thrilled when it became apparent that the Pats were going into the season depending on Chad as our deep threat WR

Formerly fast WRs that run good routes can compensate for that lost step... In Chad's case it's clear he couldn't

 

[jcdavey]

because you picked up chad johnson past his prime.....

 

[sly24]

because you picked up chad johnson past his prime.....

It's his brain that couldn't get things together, his physical abilities were fine.. If he couldn't figure it out last year, he would never have been able to. You could tell he try really hard though and that is what sucks. My guess is he just isn't smart enough for this offense.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

because you picked up chad johnson past his prime.....

body was not past prime..mind was

 

[lbj4mvp22]

does anyone no a site where i can watch New England Patriots vs Tennessee Titans game online

 

[MoLewisrocks]

He's not stupid, in fact he's pretty bright. I think he was classic ADHD. He struggled in school, that's why he attended a few on his way to the NFL. And he struggled with real personal relationsips. That's why he is so drawn to social media. An imaginary perfect world where everyone loves him. And he loves everyone. He excels at what appeals to him. He had the athletic ability to excel in football for almost a decade. But only on his terms. He was productive enough in cincy that they catered to him even schematically. He is a world class gamer or so he claims. Spends every waking hour he's not on twitter or staging interactions with his legion of loyal fans or banging some skank he met on the internet playing video games. Study game film and a playbook...child, please. He is still maintaining himself in his little narcissistic beloved celebrity cocoon as he has for the last decade, only he's unemployed and soon to be divorced and temporarily toxic even by reality TV standards. Hopefully he has saved or wisely invested some money. The oldest kid wants a Range Rover for her 16th. He will be fine by all appearances until the attention fades as it eventually will. After that...

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

ocho blows

 

[robbomango]

Oucho just tried to "get open" instead of learning the correct option for each situation.

Former TE Wiggins and some broadcaster (Bedard) broke down a play in which Ocho was supposed to come back and seal the defender off (the safe route). Instead he broke toward open space and the endzone, allowing said defender to get under him when Brady threw to where he was supposed to be.

You can lead a horse to water...

Still there. Observe.

Inside the Playbook: Brady to Ochocinco interception - YouTube

Great play breakdown thanks for the vid Ray,

When he said Ocho "Banana'd his route" I lmao. never herd that 1.

 

[BananaRepublican]

GET out on the Field last year.

One more perspective: He was not trustworthy on routes and that probably made Tom not want him on the field at all.

A lot of this may have to do with how often Tom changes the play at the LOS. I doubt that Ocho would have been able to handle a Peyton Manning offense either. Too cerebral.

 

[Gumby]

Oucho just tried to "get open" instead of learning the correct option for each situation.

Former TE Wiggins and some broadcaster (Bedard) broke down a play in which Ocho was supposed to come back and seal the defender off (the safe route). Instead he broke toward open space and the endzone, allowing said defender to get under him when Brady threw to where he was supposed to be.

You can lead a horse to water...

Still there. Observe.

Inside the Playbook: Brady to Ochocinco interception - YouTube

Agree with all you said, except for the bolded part.

Wiggens didn't say he turned toward open space but that he didn't make his cut sharp enough to cut off the defender.

Your implication is that he didn't understand the play AT ALL. which is apparently not true.

Wiggin's implication is just that he is lazy in his route execution. Which seems to fit the rest of his personality profile much better and would likely be the real reason he got the train tix out of town.

 

[RayClay]

That's a nice link, but that's not quite what Wiggins is saying. Wiggins is saying Ocho made a bad cut; he rounded off the top of his route instead of being fundamentally sound, making a sharp in-cut. It was a physical breakdown, not mental. (Yeah, yeah, 90% of physical is mental).

Whenever you make a "horizontal cut", either an out or an in, you are supposed to go back towards the QB slightly so the defender can't cut back underneath you and disrupt the pass. The appropriate criticism here is that Ocho was not a precise route runner.

I'm no expert but, my impression was he wanted to catch the ball in stride and run for the goal line. Rather than dumbness or imprecise route running, it was more arrogance, lead me to the goal line.

As i say, no expert, but a veteran wide receiver doesn't know the difference between cutting back to the QB and running the route they illustrated? Seems he has the agility to, if that was his intention.

Of course, we're not looking at the play, but a line drawing.

 

[PATS16N0]

At this point this thread is just tradition.

 

[Calciumee]

In cincy it was a much easier playbook that what we run here in NE

Run. Cut. Repeat.

 

[102 Pat]

1) he is a moron
2) he is washed up
3) he simply may be the most overrated WR of all time
4) too much worrying about reporting his daily farts on twitter
5) cared about the money and wanted to steal a ring without helping the team
6) head case,just weird
7) all of the above


I would say #7 fits Stinko to a tee

I said he was a wasted P.O.S. the day he signed and I couldnt have been more right.......he should have left the NFL 2 years ago and went to Hollywood to star in B movies.

The worst signing ever in the Belichick era

Worse than Duane Starks?

 

[RayClay]

Agree with all you said, except for the bolded part.

Wiggens didn't say he turned toward open space but that he didn't make his cut sharp enough to cut off the defender.

Your implication is that he didn't understand the play AT ALL. which is apparently not true.

Wiggin's implication is just that he is lazy in his route execution. Which seems to fit the rest of his personality profile much better and would likely be the real reason he got the train tix out of town.

Well, only going by what was said and drawn in the video, he was supposed to cut back sharply "downhill" or SW.

He "banana'd", which seems to be a lazy NW semi circle, eventually heading W then SW, not a "cutback" at all, not even a horizontal cut.

Of course that's from the vid, assuming he said and drew exactly what he meant.