Willie McGinest rips Wes Welker

[ausbacker]

Re: Willie McGinest: Sign the contract Wes

its my understanding that the franchise tender is worth somewhere around 9 million for the year. like i said if wes feels its unfair he should do what he wants to do. i think he should sign it.

I'm not concerned with the franchise tender, I'm concerned with the other contract (the one that will be creating this time/sign issue).

 

[captain insano]

Re: Willie McGinest: Sign the contract Wes

I'm not concerned with the franchise tender, I'm concerned with the other contract (the one that will be creating this time/sign issue).

well im talking about the franchise tag contract. if he takes that he gets somewhere around 9 to 9 and a half million.

 

[JimJohns]

Re: Willie McGinest: Sign the contract Wes

You didn't answer the question. Until I see a contract offer that outlines what the Patriots are offering, ripping Wes Welker is an unnecessary position. I'm neither in favor of the Patriots or Welker, but I sure as hell don't commit to something I don't believe to be reasonable, especially a contract.

The more pertinent point is that anyone applying a diva mentality to Wes Welker, given what he's done for this team over a 5 year period needs their head examined.

In regards to your last sentence, maybe for you. But other fans like myself could care less how many regular season passes he catches. I'll take some low statistic (compared to Welker) Troy Browns or David Pattens over him. They didn't blow Superbowl victories. Welker has done more for fantasy owners than me as a Patriots fan. :bricks:

 

[ausbacker]

Re: Willie McGinest: Sign the contract Wes

well im talking about the franchise tag contract. if he takes that he gets somewhere around 9 to 9 and a half million.

That's a matter of opinion. Sign the franchise tender and operate under the guise of 1 year for good money with no security or work toward establishing a contract that establishes security for the player over a period of time. That's where the issue would be. Calling Welker a diva is just plain silly. He doesn't have to agree to anything he wants to, nor the Patriots. It's business, it happens.

 

[captain insano]

Re: Willie McGinest: Sign the contract Wes

That's a matter of opinion. Sign the franchise tender and operate under the guise of 1 year for good money with no security or work toward establishing a contract that establishes security for the player over a period of time. That's where the issue would be. Calling Welker a diva is just plain silly. He doesn't have to agree to anything he wants to, nor the Patriots. It's business, it happens.

we agree it is a matter of opinion. calling wes a diva may be over the top but i agree with willie on his larger point that wes should sign the franchise tag. the team has all the leverage and i believe 9 million will give him plenty of security especially when you consider its more than hes made in all his years playing combined.

 

[TyronePoole]

Re: Willie McGinest: Sign the contract Wes

In regards to your last sentence, maybe for you. But other fans like myself could care less how many regular season passes he catches. I'll take some low statistic (compared to Welker) Troy Browns or David Pattens over him. They didn't blow Superbowl victories. Welker has done more for fantasy owners than me as a Patriots fan. :bricks:

tell you what, you take a team of David Pattens and Trent Dilfers and I'll take Wes and Brady and we'll see who wins.

 

[Delicate Genius]

Re: Willie McGinest: Sign the contract Wes

I wasn't aware that Willie had seen the tabled contract and inspected the finer details of said contract.

Willie hasn't, but NFLN analyst Warren Sapp claims to have.

 

[Leemo]

Re: Willie McGinest: Sign the contract Wes

I'm starting to think Wes won't even play for us again. It wouldn't surprise me to see a receiver taken in the draft early...

 

[Clonamery]

Re: Willie McGinest: Sign the contract Wes

I'm starting to think Wes won't even play for us again. It wouldn't surprise me to see a receiver taken in the draft early...

Easy does it there, fella. Wes has been a good soldier and is doing a pretty fair job walking the fine line between how he feels as a football player and teammate and the public stance his agent wants him to take to get the best possible deal.

 

[IllegalContact]

This is a non-story.....it is widely known that DLs can't stand WRs

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Re: Willie McGinest: Sign the contract Wes

Willie McGinest on NFL Network tonight had some tough words for Wes Welker. They reported that Wes today said he may not come to June minicamp and Willie went right at him. He said don't be a diva and that before he came to the New England system and Tom Brady he was a nobody. Willie noted that the Pats will be fine with the other receivers they picked up and that in New England you don't miss minicamp. He ended by saying that everyone in New England is expendable except for Belichick and Brady and for Wes to sign the contract they're offering.

I haven't seen this side of Willie on TV, he's usually pretty low key.

Willie doesn't know what he's talking about. Good to see his lips are still attached to BB's arse.
What a fool!!! Big bad Willie taking on l'il WR Wes Welker. Willie mouth off with Logan Mankins???
Nobody in the NFL works harder, takes a bigger a beating to do his job or deserves market value or more on a contract than Wes Welker.

It's typical Patriots that a really good player is having contract issues with them. It's the "Patriot Way".

 

[RhodyPatriot]

In fairness, although Willie has no information available to him to make such comments, he is entitled to the "Patriots show up and don't bltch about contracts and take what is offered" attitude, because he actually did that.
He's not right of course, but he earned the right to say it.

Willie McGinest was an chronic underachiever his entire career and a guy who was handed guaranteed money before ever having to earn it. Willie McGinest is the last guy in the world who should be commenting on a self made work-a-holic like Wes Welker. If Willie applied himself and his skills the way Wes does Willie would be in Canton right now. All Willie got was Cleveland.
How appropriate.

 

[UK_Pat37]

I 100% agree with Willie on this. I've been saying Welker is expendable for a while. If he signs his tag and becomes a team player then the contract will work itself out. I've never been a fan of holding out and I will never support it. He's getting paid nearly $10 million for the year and he knows the Patriots want him back so what's his issue? Show up, be a good little soldier and a team player and everything else will fall into place.

He's 100% expendable. The system has proved over the years that it can turn nobodies (which Welker was) into somebodies and it can revive the career of a run down vet (look at Moss and Branch).

This isn't exactly the same scenario as the Branch saga but Wes should learn from it. He'd be wise to look at the trends here in NE and then shut it and report when he has to.

 

[stevedogc]

Wow! Listening to Willie words you would think that Welker sat out half a season with a contract dispute and then when he did come back and after signing a huge deal which paid him at the tops of his position, went on to underperform his contract. I never heard Willie complaining about "the patriot way" when a certain Patriot did that.

The Patriots are notoriously hard negotiators. Many players have had to jump through hoops to get a long term contract from the front office. For players like Welker who have clearly outperformed his contracts, never complained and put his health and career on the line he may feel this is his only course of action. We have no idea how any negotiations are going and for all we know the Pats are refusing to talk to Welker. Fact is, Welker is not under contract. Until he is, he does not have to do anything. I for one feel that Welker is as stand up a guy as there is and even if he does not report to mini camp I think he will sign the tender and be at the Pats regular mini camp and be wearing a Pats uni next season. Hopefully with a new 3 or 4 year deal. Thats just my opinion.

 

[Halifax_Pats_Fan]

My take....if 11 was not there, 83 would be signed....yes you can get slots in later rounds but I believe that void can be filled by 11 this year and next.

I believe a deal will get done. In sports, some players have more value on one team than another. This is one example. The QB and receiver know each other...well.

I am not too sure why Willie is airing this out. The NFL network is creeping into the ESPN business model.

It is my recommendation that the NFLN stick to football, and leave the drama to the other so-called sports network...

 

[ivanvamp]

Re: Willie McGinest: Sign the contract Wes

tell you what, you take a team of David Pattens and Trent Dilfers and I'll take Wes and Brady and we'll see who wins.

Who gets what defense? Do Dilfer and Patten get the 2000 Ravens' D, or even the 2003 Patriots' D, while Wes and Brady get the 2011 Pats' D?

If so, the game might be a lot closer than you think.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

In fairness, although Willie has no information available to him to make such comments, he is entitled to the "Patriots show up and don't bltch about contracts and take what is offered" attitude, because he actually did that.
He's not right of course, but he earned the right to say it.

He did that until the end, when even though he didn't need money because he's a record lable mogel...he pre arranged to boogey on out of here and take old pal RAC's lunch money to be some kind of overpaid mentor in of all places Cleveland... Willie had options to retire as a Patriot, just like Troy and Tedy and Rodney, but he chose the pad the accounts path.

The prior accomplishments crack was undeserved low blow and coming from a guy Wes could remind was a first round disappointment stealing Kraft's lunch money before Belichick showed up and after repeatedly restructuring his contract salvaged his NE career...and along with Brady elevated his post career profile. And the diva comment was really priceless coming from a guy who played alongside a shut down corner who wore mink coats and never met a restructure or heard of a home town discount he could live with what with the need to feed his family...and a DE who invented the holdout strategy in the Belichick era and a SS who preached get yours once in possession of a single ring.

Glass houses. I think Willie is feeling a little marginalized at the Network what with the recent influx of former player commentators in the bidness. It's unfortunate that so many of these former players are driven to become the thing they hated in their own playing days, snarky mediots pandering for ratings attention at the current players expense. Apparently Willie was a force as a locker room leader here because he kept his mouth shut and just glared and intimidated... Because when he opens it he sticks his foot in it.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I 100% agree with Willie on this. I've been saying Welker is expendable for a while. If he signs his tag and becomes a team player then the contract will work itself out. I've never been a fan of holding out and I will never support it. He's getting paid nearly $10 million for the year and he knows the Patriots want him back so what's his issue? Show up, be a good little soldier and a team player and everything else will fall into place.

He's 100% expendable. The system has proved over the years that it can turn nobodies (which Welker was) into somebodies and it can revive the career of a run down vet (look at Moss and Branch).

This isn't exactly the same scenario as the Branch saga but Wes should learn from it. He'd be wise to look at the trends here in NE and then shut it and report when he has to.

You seem to have forgotten some other scenarios like the Mankins and Seymour holdouts... Welker is as expendible as everyone else on this team not named Brady. As long as you're fine with wasting opportunities and going 9-7 or 7-9 on the backend of the Brady Belichick era...

 

[RhodyPatriot]

He did that until the end, when even though he didn't need money because he's a record lable mogel...he pre arranged to boogey on out of here and take old pal RAC's lunch money to be some kind of overpaid mentor in of all places Cleveland... Willie had options to retire as a Patriot, just like Troy and Tedy and Rodney, but he chose the pad the accounts path.

The prior accomplishments crack was undeserved low blow and coming from a guy Wes could remind was a first round disappointment stealing Kraft's lunch money before Belichick showed up and after repeatedly restructuring his contract salvaged his NE career...and along with Brady elevated his post career profile. And the diva comment was really priceless coming from a guy who played alongside a shut down corner who wore mink coats and never met a restructure or heard of a home town discount he could live with what with the need to feed his family...and a DE who invented the holdout strategy in the Belichick era and a SS who preached get yours once in possession of a single ring.

Glass houses. I think Willie is feeling a little marginalized at the Network what with the recent influx of former player commentators in the bidness. It's unfortunate that so many of these former players are driven to become the thing they hated in their own playing days, snarky mediots pandering for ratings attention at the current players expense. Apparently Willie was a force as a locker room leader here because he kept his mouth shut and just glared and intimidated... Because when he opens it he sticks his foot in it.

Very well said Mo. Agree 100%.
I just wish for once that somebody still wearing the uniform would rip on these attention seeking ex-player mediots.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Willie McGinest: Sign the contract Wes

You didn't answer the question. Until I see a contract offer that outlines what the Patriots are offering, ripping Wes Welker is an unnecessary position. I'm neither in favor of the Patriots or Welker, but I sure as hell don't commit to something I don't believe to be reasonable, especially a contract.

The more pertinent point is that anyone applying a diva mentality to Wes Welker, given what he's done for this team over a 5 year period needs their head examined.

Maybe Willie is making his case for joining the ever expanding post career concussion law suit brigade.