Name 1 player that you would trade UP to get?

[patsfaninpa]

So few college teams play the two gap, but obviously 3-4 college D lineman have a head start over 4-3 d linemen.

In my mind the trick is who projects best over time as a two gap D lineman.

I think Still projects best especailly in years one and two.
But over the life of their first contract Brockers projects to have the highest ceiling. Followed by Cox. If Crick had stayed healthy, he could probably challenge Cox for #3 on the list.

Also I like Ta'amu as a backup NT in our defense. His success in our defense would be directly related to how successful Pepper is with teaching him how to play with lower pad level. His strength is good so once he masters the rules of leverage, he could excel in our defense.

I see Brandon Deaderick as a starting caliber player now. Need someone opposite him as you mention. I think K. Love is a perfect backup NG and rotation guy. Would love two 2-gappers. But, we need an olb and db help too. Too many holes to go de with 1a and 1b while using a 2nd to move up. G. Warren seems to play well every time we plug him in there. Would like to bring him back next year. Maybe, get a 2 gapper then. Or, another option is Kendal Langford instead of G. Warren.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I see Brandon Deaderick as a starting caliber player now. Need someone opposite him as you mention. I think K. Love is a perfect backup NG and rotation guy. Would love two 2-gappers. But, we need an olb and db help too. Too many holes to go de with 1a and 1b while using a 2nd to move up. G. Warren seems to play well every time we plug him in there. Would like to bring him back next year. Maybe, get a 2 gapper then. Or, another option is Kendal Langford instead of G. Warren.

I like Deaderick, especially on third down rushing the passer, but he plays too high for my taste and he gets blown off the ball a good bit on running plays. I think he is an excellent option for rotational player/part time starter.

 

[mrscruff]

I think Still projects best especailly in years one and two.
But over the life of their first contract Brockers projects to have the highest ceiling. Followed by Cox. If Crick had stayed healthy, he could probably challenge Cox for #3 on the list.

Which games have you seen of Brockers, Cox, Still and Crick?
Also what are your (and others posters) thoughts on Malik Jackson of Tennessee, Cam Johnson of Virginia or Jake Bequette of Arkansas and how they could possibly fit with the Patriots, (if at all)?

 

[bwhit33]

Brockers could fall a little, but i doubt he makes it past Carolina unless Blackmon also falls.

Floyd in the 19-22 range.

Upshaw if he falls past 15.

 

[patsderoer]

Which games have you seen of Brockers, Cox, Still and Crick?
Also what are your (and others posters) thoughts on Malik Jackson of Tennessee, Cam Johnson of Virginia or Jake Bequette of Arkansas and how they could possibly fit with the Patriots, (if at all)?

I would take Bequette over Cox. Bequette is way more explosive off the line than Cox. Actually Bequette finished with a sack a game ( 10 in 10 games) and 4 forced fumbles.
The Pats badly need a great pass rusher like Bequette. Together with Wilfork and Carter they will do a lot a damage at the line of scrimmage. To me he looks like another JJ Watt.
A good scouting report on Bequette 2012 NFL Draft Profile: Jake Bequette – DE – Arkansas | PackerChatters
Jake might be the most complete and natural 4-3 defensive end in this draft. He has excellent explosion off the ball when rushing the passer and plays the run better than some defensive tackles who are playing now in the NFL. He has great upper and lower body strength and will hold his opponent up to shed him and make a tackle with mature techniques. Jake has good change of direction skills when rushing the passer and shows the work ethic to get even better than he is right now. He is very smart, a good teammate and shows leadership skills through his play on the field. He understands his responsibilities on every play and has the football intelligence to set his opponent up to make impact plays at important parts of a game. Jake is an impact pass rushing, run stuffing, defensive end whose skills and talent were made to play defensive end in a 4-3 defense.

 

[VrabelJr]

Out of Brockers, Coples, and Upshaw I think that Upshaw is the only one likely to drop. I imagine his combine stats aren't going to be too favorable and I question his smarts. I don't doubt that he's a hard worker though.

5 technique DEs like Brockers and Coples are GOLD in this day and age. Look at JJ Watt last year. His stock sored once the NFL season ended because thats when draftniks started to get an idea for the sentiment around him. I still remember various mock drafts saying they would take Watt with a 2nd rounder in Sept-Nov of 2010... lol

 

[Banjo]

the correct answer is Morris Claiborne. that dude is the next Revis and someone we sorely need on our defense.

 

[manxman2601]

Which games have you seen of Brockers, Cox, Still and Crick?
Also what are your (and others posters) thoughts on Malik Jackson of Tennessee, Cam Johnson of Virginia or Jake Bequette of Arkansas and how they could possibly fit with the Patriots, (if at all)?

The problem with Malik Jackson and Bequette, both I like, is that they are 4-3 DE's only, even though they tried Bequette out as an OLB at the Senior Bowl.

As for Cam Johnson, he or Andre Branch are my pass rusher choices. Both have ideal size and length and both have played standing up. I choose Cam Johnson for value reasons over Branch who might be a borderline first rounder. Interesting to note, Cam Johnson was recruited as a safety so probably projects fairly well into pass coverage, and ran a 4.45 around that time. Obviously he's bulked up since so will be slower, but that suggests that there's some good athleticism there. Having watched him, that certainly bears out and I really like the strength with which he attacks OT's. The knock on him, and I've seen it is that he bites on misdirection plays so he'll need coaching up in that area.

 

[patsderoer]

The problem with Malik Jackson and Bequette, both I like, is that they are 4-3 DE's only, even though they tried Bequette out as an OLB at the Senior Bowl.

As for Cam Johnson, he or Andre Branch are my pass rusher choices. Both have ideal size and length and both have played standing up. I choose Cam Johnson for value reasons over Branch who might be a borderline first rounder. Interesting to note, Cam Johnson was recruited as a safety so probably projects fairly well into pass coverage, and ran a 4.45 around that time. Obviously he's bulked up since so will be slower, but that suggests that there's some good athleticism there. Having watched him, that certainly bears out and I really like the strength with which he attacks OT's. The knock on him, and I've seen it is that he bites on misdirection plays so he'll need coaching up in that area.

Bequette with a little bit of coaching will learn how to play OLB. He's a great sack machine, and that is what the Pats badly need. He has ideal size and strength, he's very explosive at the line of scrimmage as the 10 sacks and 5 FF in 10 games testify. Perfect for the Pats.

 

[manxman2601]

Bequette with a little bit of coaching will learn how to play OLB. He's a great sack machine, and that is what the Pats badly need. He has ideal size and strength, he's very explosive at the line of scrimmage as the 10 sacks and 5 FF in 10 games testify. Perfect for the Pats.

All the scouting reports I've read on him say that he's very stiff and would be a liability if dropping back into coverage. Also, is he effective against the run and holding the edge or is he a one gap rusher only? If the latter then it's highly unlikely he'll be a Patriot.

It's not that I don't like him, there are just better fits in this draft for the Patriots in my humble opinion.

Always good to have new names put in the mix though.

 

[patsderoer]

All the scouting reports I've read on him say that he's very stiff and would be a liability if dropping back into coverage. Also, is he effective against the run and holding the edge or is he a one gap rusher only? If the latter then it's highly unlikely he'll be a Patriot.

One more proof how idiots the so called "experts" are. If he's so stiff, how come he has such an explosive first step, how come he managed to get all those sacks and forced fumbles and quarterback hurries? BS.
If he was stiff, OLs would have absolutely no problem handling him. Let alone very stiff. LOL. What idiots the so called "experts" are. I'm amazed. And you joined them in dissing him. Ha.

If Bequette is stiff, Cam Johnson is surely a statue, and no way a better fit with the Pats then him. 10 sacks and 5 FF in 10 games, but he's "very stiff". HAHAHA. How the F did he manage all those FF, if he's so stiff? Did the QBs just allow him to strip the ball, did the OLs just allow him to run all over them or around them? My god. Cam Johnson must be extremely mobile with his 4 sacks in 12 games.

Fact is, Bequette has the potential, size and strenth to become another Jared Allen. Jared Allen too, a collegiate sacking machine, was overlooked for 3 rounds by every team, and taken in the 4th round. Probably he too was very stiff, and the Pats didnt need him, there must have been better fits all over that draft board.

 

[BritPat]

Trent Richardson, David DeCastro.

Those are the only two I utterly utterly love in the Draft this year.

 

[BritPat]

Actually, missed one there - Michael Brockers.

 

[mrscruff]

Sorry for drailing the thread a little.
Back to the original question.

Kendall Wright in the early 20s would be my choice to trade up. I wouldn't trade up for any one that includes more than the late second round Pats pick. I see the talent drop off in the early 20s but that could change after the combine and pro days.

 

[LloydBraun]

Nick Perry. Let's get a beast on the edge to get after the QB. Would likely only be a slight move up.

 

[Defsoul]

Nick Green. Let's get a beast on the edge to get after the QB. Would likely only be a slight move up.

Who is Nick Green? Never heard of this guy...

 

[Wilfork#75]

Who is Nick Green? Never heard of this guy...

Former unility IF for the Red Sox? I think he means Nick Perry from USC.

 

[LloydBraun]

Sorry I meant Perry. I have spring training on my brain. Damn Truck Day.

Perry has been compared to Willie Mac & DeMarcus Ware. We need that. It will most likely involve a move in to the top 20.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Fact is, Bequette has the potential, size and strenth to become another Jared Allen. Jared Allen too, a collegiate sacking machine, was overlooked for 3 rounds by every team, and taken in the 4th round. Probably he too was very stiff, and the Pats didnt need him, there must have been better fits all over that draft board.

Bequette played hurt all year long and it showed on the field.

When he was healthy as a junior, he had alot of success as an edge rushers against single coverage. He is adequate against the run,but I saw nothing that says he currently has any coverage ability.

In my mind,it all comes down to how he runs. If he runs well,he is worth the gamble for trying to fit in as a 3-4OLB. Otherwise I pass.

 

[borisman]

Devon Still hasn't been mentioned so I'll throw him in there. He may slip to early-mid teens and therefore an actual realistic scenario. Dre Kirkpatrick could slip a bit due to the pot issue (even though the charges were dropped). He is also an undeniable talent.
If moving way up by using both picks we would need an impact player for 2012, unless BB gets a few FA who can be upgrade starters right away. In that case I would target Claiborne.