The Official Brady sucks and the defense has been carrying him Thread

[PatsFan24]

I used to think Tom Brady was one of the top 3 QBs in the NFL and one of the top 5 to ever play the game. I used to think the Patriots defense was horrible and that only Brady was keeping them a contender. But knowledgable Patriots fans have turned me around on this. Despite the heroic efforts of our rock solid defense the last few years Tom Brady has held the Patriots back with his sloppy play. I say enough excuses. This organization has given Tom Brady a great defense, terrific receivers,and the best set of running backs in the league and its time to start producing, otherwise it may be time to give Mr Hoyer a shot.

Terrible post.

The problem is spoiled fans like you have come to expect Brady to be prefect all the time. The guy is human, so he is not perfect. He is though much closer to perfect that almost any QB who has EVER PLAYED FOOTBALL. He is also much closer to being perfect than you are.

I hope you have been drinking a lot today. A sober post with that much stupidity is not acceptable. Even here.

 

[Patspsycho]

So you find the running game to be successful when you get one 18 yard run then for the rest of the half until the 2 minute drill, they go out of their way to feature the run and get 9 carries for 14 yards, and zero points and that isn't failure?
They didn't get more attempts because they failed. Do you want to keep handing it off and punting so you can say they carried a lot?

Who was on the field for the 2 minute drill? Hint, it wasn't BJGE or Ridley, it was Woodhead. He's not a power back.

Am I saying they should try to run the ball 50 times before declaring it a failure? No. Im saying they should have at least a 60 to 40 pass-run ratio, because the hard facts have shown that is where our best chance of success is.

Because even then, if the run game fails, we still have the play action.

Even Revis respects our play-action to the extent of getting badly burned by Welker.

 

[Ring 6]

Terrible post.

The problem is spoiled fans like you have come to expect Brady to be prefect all the time. The guy is human, so he is not perfect. He is though much closer to perfect that almost any QB who has EVER PLAYED FOOTBALL. He is also much closer to being perfect than you are.

I hope you have been drinking a lot today. A sober post with that much stupidity is not acceptable. Even here.

It was sarcasm.

 

[Ring 6]

Who was on the field for the 2 minute drill? Hint, it wasn't BJGE or Ridley, it was Woodhead. He's not a power back.

What? The point of mentioning the 2 minute drill is it isnt relevant to the run/pass ratio.

Am I saying they should try to run the ball 50 times before declaring it a failure? No. Im saying they should have at least a 60 to 40 pass-run ratio, because the hard facts have shown that is where our best chance of success is.

But they gave an entire half of drives. That would have been a lot more carries if it was successful. You can blame the lack of carries on play selection when the heavy run play calling led to short possessions.
We have been over that 60/40 is a result not a cause.

Because even then, if the run game fails, we still have the play action.

They tried to do this, and it failed. I don't know how you can argue they needed to change that game plan in the second half.

Even Revis respects our play-action to the extent of getting badly burned by Welker.

You are now arguing a shut out half by one play that happened a month ago?

 

[ATippett56]

Oh we won? We kicked a FG? I was on eye level with my dog at that point telling him how much he means to me, and that he's my best friend

I thought Drew Brees was your best friend?

 

[Lifer]

On one hand.... wow. OTOH, I'm actually kinda surprised that it took this long for someone to make this thread.

Also, how can the third-best QB in the NFL be the fifth-best of all time? Brady was clearly the best QB in the NFL as recently as last year, and even right now I'd still put him comfortably in the top 2 (maybe #1, depending on how how Rodgers fares against the good pass defenses that he'll be playing against soon).

A couple of people have brought this up and I don't see what's not to understand. Its widely assumed, at least until Mannings injury, that Brady, Manning, and Rodgers were the top 3 qbs. Throw Brees in there too. Anyone have a problem with that? And its not ridiculous to say Montana, Unitas, Elway,Brady, and Manning is a pretty good all time list, give or take one of those names or two. So what don't you get?

 

[Lifer]

Al Michaels is so wrong. He tried to say the Patriots defense is bad. He doesn't get the entire problem is our horrible quarterback.

 

[Lifer]

Clearly the Patriots should have taken the ball out of Bradys hands last night and run some more.

 

[Fencer]

You forgot to add married to a Super Model, who has sapped his passion and made him grow long hair.

Three times a night.

 

[ausbacker]

Oh we won? We kicked a FG? I was on eye level with my dog at that point telling him how much he means to me, and that he's my best friend

You really do make me laugh pherein! You make sure you stick around mate.

 

[A.C Vegas]

Three times a night.

and thats on a slow night after a game

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Clearly the Patriots should have taken the ball out of Bradys hands last night and run some more.

Hate to inform you of this "Lifer" but that's exactly what they did.

Patriots offense last 3 games

Pitt loss = 12 run 35 pass
NYG loss = 24 run 49 pass
Jets win = 28 run 39 pass

1st Jets win = 35 run 33 pass

When the Patriots run a BALANCED offense they win.
When the Patriots morph into Peyton Brady and the Colts they struggle.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Hate to inform you of this "Lifer" but that's exactly what they did.

Patriots offense last 3 games

Pitt loss = 12 run 35 pass
NYG loss = 24 run 49 pass
Jets win = 28 run 39 pass

1st Jets win = 35 run 33 pass

When the Patriots run a BALANCED offense they win.
When the Patriots morph into Peyton Brady and the Colts they struggle.

The only balance needed is not turning the ball over and make chip shot FG's.

Absent the turnovers, the Giants game is a 3 score win.

It's not that complicated.

The point is, there will always be stretches where one side of the ball doesn't play well. Just don't make mistakes.

 

[Sparetire]

The only balance needed is not turning the ball over and make chip shot FG's.

Absent the turnovers, the Giants game is a 3 score win.

It's not that complicated.

The point is, there will always be stretches where one side of the ball doesn't play well. Just don't make mistakes.

Brady must be perfect, he needs every throw in the right spot on the right time, he dosnt have the whole field to throw, he have WR\TE's that "spread" the field for like 15-20 yard, that makes him to throw a PERFECT pass ALL the time or its a Turnover\incomplition.

by the way, our D is still terrible, yes they had a great game last night but it was agains freakin' mark sanchez, if it was a good- QB he was burning our D all night long.

 

[BradyManny]

No it is not because we made large gains out of the play action. That's what a solid commitment to the run does- it opens up the play action. Brady may have thrown 5 TDs, but the game started with:

1) 45 yard rushing TD by Maroney
2) 50 yard TD to Moss out of the play-action (BJGE with the flea flicker).

Who are you to then suggest that our offensive eruption didn't occur as a result of this great start?

Whereas if we play one-dimensional (e.g., abandon the run) our record has been pretty clear: 11-11, as opposed to 18-2.

Again - you would have to go half by half in those games.

I guarantee the bulk of those 20 games we ran 40% of the time, we came out pass heavy. Think about our 45-3 game vs. the Jets; or the beatdown of Chicago last year as two more examples.

Those were pass heavy games where we came out and threw all over them, and then ran when we had a huge lead.

I'm not arguing the team is better off with a good running game. But the point you are trying to make and the conclusion you are coming to are off the mark - especially when the statistic which you insist on using is so flawed and so obviously inaccurate. A game can end with a "balanced" run-pass ratio; but if we were up 3 touchdowns and ran the entire fourth quarter, was it really balanced? Think about how many games we've had like that.

And think about our losses - and how we get behind in all of them and are forced to throw. Again, your apparent signature stat you keep dropping here is just really meaningless and you need to move on from it.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

The only balance needed is not turning the ball over and make chip shot FG's.

Absent the turnovers, the Giants game is a 3 score win.

It's not that complicated.

The point is, there will always be stretches where one side of the ball doesn't play well. Just don't make mistakes.

Yeah but who made the TO's in the Giant game? Brady.....in the passing game....as he's attempting 49 passes.
You're right. It's not that complicated. Balance out the offense so Brady isn't attempting 49 passes and getting picked.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Yeah but who made the TO's in the Giant game? Brady.....in the passing game....as he's attempting 49 passes.
You're right. It's not that complicated. Balance out the offense so Brady isn't attempting 49 passes and getting picked.

Apparently is is that complicated...for some of you. :bricks:

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Apparently is is that complicated...for some of you. :bricks:

Hang in there. You'll get it at some point.

 

[reflexblue]

Apparently is is that complicated...for some of you. :bricks:

So are you saying its fine to be one dimensional, that a team can go far with just a passing attack? I just want to get this straight, because thats what it sounds like.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Brady must be perfect, he needs every throw in the right spot on the right time, he dosnt have the whole field to throw, he have WR\TE's that "spread" the field for like 15-20 yard, that makes him to throw a PERFECT pass ALL the time or its a Turnover\incomplition.

What folly. Brady doesn't need to be any more "perfect" than any other QB in the NFL. Brady gets into trouble with INT's when he forces throws to receivers in tight coverage, i.e. he's already made up his mind who he's throwig to regardless of the coverage. He's at his best and most dangerous when he's patient, scans the whole field and finds the open receiver.