Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision making

[R_T26]

going through this thread all i see is DaBruinz frantically trying to debunk complaints about this team. Stop lyin to yourself man. Your so ultra defensive that no one takes you seriously. You defend every player like they are your son, yet when they are gone you will defend why its
Good they are gone. Thats why this forum gets made fun of because of some of the blind optimism. Been years since this team won a playoff game and they dont look to be built to win this year either. Dont want to here excuses how BB is tryin to adapt to polian rules, so are the 31 other teams, most who are doing better then the Pats. The opposing qb rating in 90+, basically the pats make everyone
Look like brady. It has to be either coaching, drafting, or scheme. One man is responsible for all those. But lets keep looking to the future and waste brady then we can be the Dolphins.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

Geez DaBruinz you come on and knit pick everybody's post to find a misspelled word or a meaningless misplaced fact? Please allow a few serious questions so I know where you stand. Do you see a Patriot defense that can win in the playoffs? Do we not have ownership that will step up to plate financially to win? Have the patriots not had ample draft choices since 2008? Who is responsible for the horrible D for at least the last 2 years?
lastly even you have to admit the coach you defend at all cost doesnt have any faith in his own defensive cast. Lets remember 4th and 2, and yesterdays onside with 3 time outs left. Boy what does that tell us?

Hodgey - you come on here and bring nothing of any consequence to the threads. I've yet to see you actually contribute something meaningful.

Had you actually bothered to read his post, you'd see that it was relevant since it destroys the argument he was making.

The only posts that I harp on regarding spelling are those of trolls who don't actually bring anything to the thread. Such as yourself.

If you actually stopped with your ridiculousness and read the thread (which you clearly haven't) you'd see that I don't "defend the coach at all costs".

The 4th and 2 call last year was a vote of confidence in the OFFENSE. It didn't say anything about the defense..

The onside kick was actually a vote of confidence in the defense. Why? Because BB felt that, even if the onside kick wasn't recovered, that the defense could hold the Steelers and the Pats could get the ball back.

As for your questions:
There are still 9 games left to play. As it stands right now, no. They won't win a play-off game. Things will change between now and then. I saw improvement out of McCourty yesterday. I liked what I saw out of the D-line again, though the Blitzing was poorly timed all game long. Improvements need to be made in all stages. The offense, defense, and special teams. But that is not to say that they all suck. They don't. They just all made mistakes yesterday..

What does Kraft stepping up to the plate financially have to do with winning? I would think that anyone that has followed the NFL for more than 6 months would know that MONEY doesn't buy a successful team. The Redskins are proof of that.

The Pats have had a lot of picks since 2008. The Pats have also had a lot of turnover on their roster since 2008. Be it through injury, retirement, or guys just not cutting it. Do you have a point with this? MMM.. not that I can see.

The D hasn't been horrible the last 2 years. In fact, it was the offense that cost the Pats the play-off games against the Ravens and the Jets. People like yourself don't understand looking beyond the obvious. You also tend to ignore the salary cap. You want to ignore that the Pats were and are still rebuilding their defense. Getting younger players coached up (Chung, Arrington, McCourty, Brace, Cunningham). Getting veterans that can help lead.

Teams are not built over-night. I understand that. You have to have the right blend of players. If you don't, you fail.. Only time will tell where this group will fall.. Either as a team or as a group of individuals..

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

Freak injury implies that it wasn't expected. I'd say a routine injury shelved him.

A torn leg tendon is hardly a "routine injury". Having facts is a wonderful thing.

Dowling missed less games during his college career than Gronkowski did..

 

[IllegalContact]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

The question that's been alive for me for a couple of years is about BB's ability to keep up defensively with the Polian/Manning rules that appear to require more individual coverage skills and less of his traditional bend-don't-break zone coverages. In turn, this calls for guys who can get to the QB on their own, using individual rushing skills, because the time to do so is compressed.

These two, in turn, put more emphasis on individual athleticism and less on the "just do your job" team guy. Finally, all of this devalues the draft strategy that depends on three mid second round guys being more valuable than a high first round guy.

I don't know anything really, just pondering.

this is hard to agree with given BB's lack of interest in obtaining top quality pass rushers...... how serious can you be about your defense when you are basically starting 6 UDFA's/other people's rejects?

- Is ellis the best the pats could do for 5M/yr
- Ninko/guyton basically suck
- ihedigbo/arrington basically suck

the proof is in the pudding......deaderick can still get meaningful playing time even though his coach hates him

the bottom line is that the defense is in shambles and there is no reason to believe that this group can get it together during the 2nd half of the year.

Sanchez is the only QB who has not put up 300 or more on this defense.....who do we have coming up?

after the pats play the jets, they will go on a roll the way they did last year (they have 6 consecutive games against pretty bad teams and then the bills at home).....

so the pats may well wind up with 12-13 wins.......get in the playoffs and be treated the way they have been the last 2 years......

the team is soft and has little talent on defense.

I'm just wondering why they looked so unprepared after having 2 weeks to prepare for the steelers.

 

[condon84]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

I said this team wouldn't be like them, but they could rebound similarly just the same. This team in 5-2. The Milloy cut is a good example to point at though because people thought that the team was done and the team was a mess.

Also, the 2003 team wasn't stacked as you suggest. The offense that year was average at best. It had a dominant defense, but the offense struggled to stay on the field and and score TDs. I think the Pats had the worst 3rd down conversion rate on offense of the Belichick era. The Pats won a lot of close, very low scoring games that season.

This season it is the opposite. The offense is stack and the defense is weak.

I was referring to the defense being stacked with talent.

And besides, the only people freaking out after the Bills game were the media. I was on another forum and the Pats posters were generally thinking "it was the first game of the year". This is different. It's game 7, and the glaring weakness of this defense and lack of talent has been evident from game 1 and it's still glaring as of now. Bodden being cut and replaced by Molden is a far cry from Milloy being cut and replaced by Harrison. We all loved the Harrison pickup and generally, a lot of the posters I discussed it with thought that Milloy would be a camp casualty. His contract was known as one of the issues going into camp if you recall. It was already speculated that Milloy would get cut.

So two totally different situations and not comparable by any means.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

How is Dowling's injury a freak injury when the red flag on him coming out was injury concern.

It was a freak injury because it's not every day that a tendon tears off your femur.

And the only "red flag" that was up was the same red flag that was on Gronkowski. A guy who missed more games than Dowling.

 

[IllegalContact]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

Hodgey - you come on here and bring nothing of any consequence to the threads. I've yet to see you actually contribute something meaningful...

you've been here for ages, and I'm still waiting for you to produce something of value

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

I was referring to the defense being stacked with talent.

And besides, the only people freaking out after the Bills game were the media. I was on another forum and the Pats posters were generally thinking "it was the first game of the year". This is different. It's game 7, and the glaring weakness of this defense and lack of talent has been evident from game 1 and it's still glaring as of now. Bodden being cut and replaced by Molden is a far cry from Milloy being cut and replaced by Harrison. We all loved the Harrison pickup and generally, a lot of the posters I discussed it with thought that Milloy would be a camp casualty. His contract was known as one of the issues going into camp if you recall. It was already speculated that Milloy would get cut.

So two totally different situations and not comparable by any means.

And this offense is stacked this year and the rules have changed to make it more of an offensive league.

Also, most people were freaking out about the team in 2004. You are recreating history. You are also recreating history on Milloy and Harrison too. Harrison was considered done in a lot of circles (that is why San Deigo cut him) and most people thought Milloy was the heart and soul of the Patriots. Don't change history.

Besides, this was only one game against a team that is surging.

 

[RodThePat]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

A torn leg tendon is hardly a "routine injury". Having facts is a wonderful thing.

Dowling missed less games during his college career than Gronkowski did..

I agree with this point. I think it's one thing if Dowling had been here for 2-3 seasons and kept getting sidelined with injuries every other week. The injury risk on Dowling actually wasn't as bad as Vollmer's or Gronkowski's because those guys were hampered by back injuries, and those tend to come up again, and, if they do, they can be pretty devastating to a career.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

If they don't want to pay the coaching staff, then they damn well better have good personnel. I blame BB for the personnel, but I also blame Kraft for some of this. He signs the pay checks. I wonder how much money he gave BB for his coaching staff? I am just pissed. I am so sick and tired of this defense. That game was painful to watch.

All this stuff works from the top down, an incompetent deck hand on a ship isn't a huge deal but an incompetent skipper is.

A well run organization gets the best people at the top as possible, a very good manager will dramatically improve the people under him, and an incompetant manager will do little even with top talent. Get the best coaches you can and DELEGATE.

 

[IllegalContact]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

A torn leg tendon is hardly a "routine injury". Having facts is a wonderful thing.

Dowling missed less games during his college career than Gronkowski did..

LMAO at this ridiculous comparison..........gronkowski had one injury in college which was a big one....

dowling's injury history was well documented prior to the draft.....just google 'dowling injury prone'...he has lived up to that label wonderfully

 

[Jangles]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

A torn leg tendon is hardly a "routine injury". Having facts is a wonderful thing.

Dowling missed less games during his college career than Gronkowski did..

So we lucked out on the Gronk pick.

I guess it's safe to assume that all injured players are good picks because injuries in college don't matter.

 

[condon84]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

It was a freak injury because it's not every day that a tendon tears off your femur.

And the only "red flag" that was up was the same red flag that was on Gronkowski. A guy who missed more games than Dowling.

Gronkowski's had one back injury which required surgery. You can classify that as a freak injury, like Brady's knee injury.

Meanwhile Dowling has had an ankle, knee, hamstring, and hand injuries prior to this year. Those are multiple injuries and why he's labeled as injury prone.

There's a difference between Gronkowski/Brady's type of injury to someone like Dowling who gets often injured.

If you can't see that, then oh well...

 

[ctpatsfan1]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

going through this thread all i see is DaBruinz frantically trying to debunk complaints about this team. Stop lyin to yourself man. Your so ultra defensive that no one takes you seriously. You defend every player like they are your son, yet when they are gone you will defend why its
Good they are gone. Thats why this forum gets made fun of because of some of the blind optimism. Been years since this team won a playoff game and they dont look to be built to win this year either. Dont want to here excuses how BB is tryin to adapt to polian rules, so are the 31 other teams, most who are doing better then the Pats. The opposing qb rating in 90+, basically the pats make everyone
Look like brady. It has to be either coaching, drafting, or scheme. One man is responsible for all those. But lets keep looking to the future and waste brady then we can be the Dolphins.

really? I would say there are only about 10 teams that have adapted well, one being the Pats. Perhaps the Steelers considering they have won more SB's in the last 5-7 years.........the Pats are adapting very well IMHO, what is killing them now are 2 things.....

1) Bad drafts from 06-08 - those players would be in their prime right now.
2) Average to below average assistant coaches. BB can only do so much.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

It's not a lie in any way shape or form. Of course he has been criticized at some point (though it's mostly by fans, who, due to their passionate nature, will criticize anyone for anything), but I still think his recent failures have been more overlooked than they should have been. Are you going to tell me Belichick is criticized by fans and media as much as Kraft, or even Brady? Really? I'm talking about post-2004 here, when he achieved god-like status, with good reason, among both the fanbase and the media.

It IS a lie because there have been PLENTY of people who have questioned Belichick and moves he's made. Clearly you don't understand the meaning of the word "LIE".

What you FEEL and what is REALITY are two different things and it doesn't change the fact that you lied about no one questioning Belichick.

Belichick has been questioned by fans regarding MANY moves since 2004. Just because you've had your head in the sand since then doesn't mean it hasn't been the case. People questioned him on Moss, Welker, and Adalius Thomas. Never mind the plethora of threads in the draft section..

And I'm sorry, building a roster, in fact, isn't one of the HC's main roles. It's one of the GM's main roles, and you can't tell me with a straight face Bill Belichick isn't this team's 'de facto' GM.

Care to show me where I said or implied it? You are the one who said it was the HC's job. You didn't say it was Belichick's job. Unlike you, I understand the difference between talking about the roles of certain jobs on football teams the role that Belichick has.

Point is, he deserves way more criticism than he has been getting, and the 'Tom Brady factor' shouldn't be discounted when talking about the success this team has enjoyed the past few seasons.

Point is that it's only your baseless opinion that BB should be getting more criticism than he is.

I don't see many people here thinking they are smarter than Belichick, at least I'm not. I admit I have no idea about the intricacies of running a football team, personnel acquisitions, the drafting process or anything. Doesn't mean I have to be knowledgeable about that stuff, or that I should be making well thought-out posts about how I disagree with a certain move to be able to say he deserves criticism.

Then you are blind. Because there are plenty of people on here who have acted like they are better than Belichick. All one has to do is look at the draft board to see that. If you don't understand even the basics of how a football team is run or about the draft process, how can you criticize it? How can you criticize something you don't understand? To me, that is the epitome of ignorance.

Of course hindsight here is 20/20, pretty much every kind of fan criticism is 20/20, especially in Belichick's case where he has enough credit to make you think twice about bashing a certain move, seeing as he rarely missed in the past. I just think he should be more questioned for the team's recent shortcomings, especially considering that most of our success lately has been due to Tom Brady's play. That's all. I have no agenda against Belichick, I idolize the man and will be forever grateful for what he has done for this franchise.

You'll have to forgive me but I doubt the veracity of your last sentence. Especially with some of the comments you've made...

 

[kudzif]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

The Redskins defence were pretty bad last year but within one year with free agent and drafting it was fixed. Jacksonville defence was not good last year but they are decent now because they spent money fixing it. In three years time Belichick has failed to fix this defence . Other teams can do this why can't we.Before you tell me oh those teams are bad its because they have horrible QBs

 

[borg]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

For a team with twice as many draft picks as most other teams, the lack of defensive talent and WR speed is striking.

 

[condon84]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

And this offense is stacked this year and the rules have changed to make it more of an offensive league.

Also, most people were freaking out about the team in 2004. You are recreating history. You are also recreating history on Milloy and Harrison too. Harrison was considered done in a lot of circles (that is why San Deigo cut him) and most people thought Milloy was the heart and soul of the Patriots. Don't change history.

Besides, this was only one game against a team that is surging.

That cut was before game 1 of the season. People freaking out over that cut after the first game result were stupid. People had no evidence what the team was going to be like because there were no other games to compare it with so far at that point. This is game 7 of the year. We can make an intelligent analysis what the weakness of this team is because of the games we've witnessed so far. We can say that CB is one of the glaring weakness of this team. We can also say that Moulden has not shown, prior to Bodden getting cut, that he's a capable replacement. We couldn't say any of these before Milloy was cut. He was abruptly cut before the start of the season. We haven't seen Harrison play with our defense so far at that point in real game situation. Nor did we know that Safety was a glaring weakness.

Again two totally different situations.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

Gronkowski's had one back injury which required surgery. You can classify that as a freak injury, like Brady's knee injury.

Meanwhile Dowling has had an ankle, knee, hamstring, and hand injuries prior to this year. Those are multiple injuries and why he's labeled as injury prone.

There's a difference between Gronkowski/Brady's type of injury to someone like Dowling who gets often injured.

If you can't see that, then oh well...

He was only labeled injury-prone by the ignorant who over-looked the fact that he didn't miss that many games. Dowling missed 7 games his senior year and one prior to that. Out of 48 possible games.. WOW.. That's so many..

What you clearly don't understand is that there is a difference between a fluke injury (which is what a tendon tearing from a bone is) and the other injuries you mentioned. BTW, the knee and hamstring injuries happened because his high ankle sprain wasn't healed properly and Dowling insisted on running at the combine.

Next, you're gonna try and tell everyone that there are exercises you can do to prevent tearing a tendon from the bone. Or to prevent an ACL tear..

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Mike Reiss on Belichick: Maybe it's time to 'revisit' his personnel decision maki

you've been here for ages, and I'm still waiting for you to produce something of value

You've proven that you wouldn't know value if it was sitting right in front of you, so I am not surprised by your flawed claims..