Report: Moss spurned Pats on new contract talks

[Betterthanmost]

How about this?
Wanted to see how much Brady was going to get? Possible that he might have heard the front office telling him about uncertainity in the near future and all.
Then he goes to lunch with Tommy and Tommy tells him he is getting a deal done and it is huge. Randy then sees that it is just him they don't really want after catching so many touchdowns passes.
At first it was ok because he knew the Pats did not pay vets, but then he sees Vince, his close friend gets his deal, then Tommy... get the drift? His mind could have changed very quickly from training camp due to what he was going off on then.
I just think Randy bluffed and the Pats went off according to his bluff. He thought he might have so much leverage.

 

[Tunescribe]

All this crap we're now reading is what happens when players decide not to honor their contracts. To a lesser extent it also happens when teams cut people under contract, although in those cases there's more demonstrable reasoning. Rather than agitate for an extension, Randy would have been well advised to shut his yap, be a good soldier, play hard, earn his $9 million this season and THEN see what he could get from the Pats or elsewhere. His tenure in Minnesota will go sour as soon as Favre gets hurt, which I see as likely.

 

[emoney_33]

All this crap we're now reading is what happens when players decide not to honor their contracts. To a lesser extent it also happens when teams cut people under contract, although in those cases there's more demonstrable reasoning. Rather than agitate for an extension, Randy would have been well advised to shut his yap, be a good soldier, play hard, earn his $9 million this season and THEN see what he could get from the Pats or elsewhere. His tenure in Minnesota will go sour as soon as Favre gets hurt, which I see as likely.

That would be very unfair to a HOF WR to expect him to shut up and help the 2010 Patriots the best he can when that would put him in a potentially very difficult situation in 2012. Although I feel that is pretty much what he did, aside from PRIVATE conversations with BB regarding his future.

The ideal world would have had Moss here through 2012, but C'est la Vie. I give Moss more credit for helping go 3-1 than a guy like Mankins who isn't helping at all. Moss was in a terrible situation, he loved it here, he wanted to stay here but at the same time if he did everything "right" by the Patriots for 2010, it would likely be a very bad financial situation in 2012. It's not unlikely that there would be a lockout in 2011 and Moss at 35 would have seen decreased statistics in his last season forcing him to take a 1-year prove it deal for 2012 similar to the 2007 restructure.

Let's not forget that Moss took LESS money in 2007, so it's not as if this guy cares -only- about money. At the same time I think it's unfair to expect him to be all hunky dory happy that the place he wants to be doesn't want him and in his contract year the offense was shifting away from the quick strike that would give him the best plan B (good statistical year for next contract bargaining with another team).

 

[RayClay]

So Moss said he wanted to wait til the season was done, but in his week 1 presser he said an offer at the end of the year would be an insult???

There's only one logical answer. Moss realized despite the contract talks, that they weren't really contract talks, because he had been on double secret probation since last year.

 

[mgteich]

Certainly, not Moss.

The patriots wanted Moss gone. He is now playing for a team (and a fan base) that will greatly appreciate him for 2010. I expect that he has discussed the future with the Minny front office (or not), but for the moment, Moss will focus on the next game.

The patriots are better off without Moss. After all, we now can change to a ball control offense behind the mighty Ben-Jarvis and no fullback.

Who said he wanted an extension from the Vikings?

 

[Tunescribe]

That would be very unfair to a HOF WR to expect him to shut up and help the 2010 Patriots the best he can when that would put him in a potentially very difficult situation in 2012. Although I feel that is pretty much what he did, aside from PRIVATE conversations with BB regarding his future.

The ideal world would have had Moss here through 2012, but C'est la Vie. I give Moss more credit for helping go 3-1 than a guy like Mankins who isn't helping at all. Moss was in a terrible situation, he loved it here, he wanted to stay here but at the same time if he did everything "right" by the Patriots for 2010, it would likely be a very bad financial situation in 2012. It's not unlikely that there would be a lockout in 2011 and Moss at 35 would have seen decreased statistics in his last season forcing him to take a 1-year prove it deal for 2012 similar to the 2007 restructure.

Let's not forget that Moss took LESS money in 2007, so it's not as if this guy cares -only- about money. At the same time I think it's unfair to expect him to be all hunky dory happy that the place he wants to be doesn't want him and in his contract year the offense was shifting away from the quick strike that would give him the best plan B (good statistical year for next contract bargaining with another team).

Good grief, you make it sound like he was playing for the veterans' minimum here. He was making BIG MONEY ($9 million). His 17-minute "ME! ME!" presser after the Cincy game was unconscionable and his other reported antics were just as bad. To suggest he was in a "terrible situation" here at this stage of his career is silly. Why players believe they are entitled to extensions while still under contract is beyond me. But I'll bet that if he'd just kept his yap shut from the start and played hard, he very well might've been extended before the season was over.

 

[BradyFTW!]

According to the Herald:

And while Brady was playing golf with Kraft during his negotiations, Moss couldn’t so much as merit a return call from the owner regarding an extension after he reached out to him in June, according to a source close to the receiver.

Moss got the hint. He knew he wasn’t wanted.

Between that and the content of Moss' post-Cincy PC, it's pretty clear that he sees things differently. Personally, I doubt that he rejected the Pats' attempts to discuss an extension, since that revelation is at odds with everything else that we've heard.

 

[ausbacker]

The underlining theme is outsiders have no idea what goes on inside the Patriots. It's fantastic.

 

[emoney_33]

Good grief, you make it sound like he was playing for the veterans' minimum here. He was making BIG MONEY ($9 million). His 17-minute "ME! ME!" presser after the Cincy game was unconscionable and his other reported antics were just as bad. To suggest he was in a "terrible situation" here at this stage of his career is silly. Why players believe they are entitled to extensions while still under contract is beyond me. But I'll bet that if he'd just kept his yap shut from the start and played hard, he very well might've been extended before the season was over.

How did I make it sound like he was playing for the vet minimum?

He was absolutely in a "terrible" situation for his financial security going forward past 2010. Even if you want me to use the term "bad" instead of "terrible" fine. But the fans sure as hell won't give a damn about his situation in 2012 if he played here for 2010.

I just think we shouldn't really judge a person for looking out for themselves, it's not like he did anything terrible. This is his JOB, his CAREER. How would you like a bunch of people with no knowledge of the inner workings of your career judging you on how you choose to look out for your personal financial security?

You don't particularly care about, or more precisely cannot do anything about Ted Johnson's financial or health situation or anything but I'm sure you expected him to play out his contract for your favorite team.

Why do you feel players aren't entitled to hold out or look out for themselves, especially when their career is so physically demanding and could end tomorrow? Yet teams are entitled to cut teams that are under contract as long and not risk any money beyond what was guaranteed.

I don't get it, why must players be villainized just because they make so much money relatively speaking in a short period of time?

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

That would be very unfair to a HOF WR to expect him to shut up and help the 2010 Patriots the best he can when that would put him in a potentially very difficult situation in 2012. Although I feel that is pretty much what he did, aside from PRIVATE conversations with BB regarding his future.

The ideal world would have had Moss here through 2012, but C'est la Vie. I give Moss more credit for helping go 3-1 than a guy like Mankins who isn't helping at all. Moss was in a terrible situation, he loved it here, he wanted to stay here but at the same time if he did everything "right" by the Patriots for 2010, it would likely be a very bad financial situation in 2012. It's not unlikely that there would be a lockout in 2011 and Moss at 35 would have seen decreased statistics in his last season forcing him to take a 1-year prove it deal for 2012 similar to the 2007 restructure.

Let's not forget that Moss took LESS money in 2007, so it's not as if this guy cares -only- about money. At the same time I think it's unfair to expect him to be all hunky dory happy that the place he wants to be doesn't want him and in his contract year the offense was shifting away from the quick strike that would give him the best plan B (good statistical year for next contract bargaining with another team).

You've got to be joking. Unfair to Moss? Poor guy expected to honor a 3 year $27 million contract.

 

[emoney_33]

You've got to be joking. Unfair to Moss? Poor guy expected to honor a 3 year $27 million contract.

Follow the conversation or don't but in, that's not what was said. I said it's unfair to expect Moss to be all hunky dory happy and not think about his financial future.

PS: Moss WAS honoring his contract.

 

[AJY the Jets troll]

Seems like a PR leak to me.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Follow the conversation or don't but in, that's not what was said. I said it's unfair to expect Moss to be all hunky dory happy and not think about his financial future.

PS: Moss WAS honoring his contract.

Your quote:

"That would be very unfair to a HOF WR to expect him to shut up and help the 2010 Patriots the best he can"

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Who said he wanted an extension from the Vikings?

Logic, not that that is apparent to you when it comes to anything do to with Moss.

 

[emoney_33]

Your quote:

"That would be very unfair to a HOF WR to expect him to shut up and help the 2010 Patriots the best he can"

context. Yes shutting up meaning NOT talking to BB about his future etc... and caring ONLY about the 2010 patriots. Unfair to EXPECT him to do absolutely nothing for his future just because he's playing for your favorite team.

 

[emoney_33]

Logic, not that that is apparent to you when it comes to anything do to with Moss.

Logic lol... yep you guys are being very logical with your Moss analysis

 

[PatsChamp88]

Not surprising but who cares he would have been gone in a couple months..

 

[MoLewisrocks]

The more i think about it this is almost comical. Belichick puts people who are at cross purposes with this team in a box. A Fedex like one... They go where he says they go or they sit and rot...LOL Belichick gave Seymour little choice, play for Oakland or go home and pout and prove what a team player you are. Randy had even less choice because of his previous track record and because Minnesota was the last place where he was still unconditionally loved despite his history. Neither had any say. Neither had any viable recourse. They don't call Bill a genius just because of the x's and o's.

 

[emoney_33]

The more i think about it this is almost comical. Belichick puts people who are at cross purposes with this team in a box. A Fedex like one... They go where he says they go or they sit and rot...LOL Belichick gave Seymour little choice, play for Oakland or go home and pout and prove what a team player you are. Randy had even less choice because of his previous track record and because Minnesota was the last place where he was still unconditionally loved despite his history. Neither had any say. Neither had any viable recourse. They don't call Bill a genius just because of the x's and o's.

Your undying love of BB is downright scary, bordering on insanity here.

 

[blackglass3]

Your undying love of BB is downright scary, bordering on insanity here.

Your undying love of Moss is downright scary, bordering on insanity here.