Do the Pats have a "Playmaker" on their D?

[iapatsfan]

Dude.... DaBruinz raised a valid point. Paragraph breaks would have been nice.

Sorry, but I can't take a guy with the name DaBruinz seriously when he's critical. In my opinion, the name DaBruinz and valid point are mutually exclusive.

 

[JackBauer]

Sorry, but I can't take a guy with the name DaBruinz seriously when he's critical. In my opinion, the name DaBruinz and valid point are mutually exclusive.

Well I can't take a guy who doesn't know how to break his writing into paragraphs seriously.

Take that!

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Sorry to say, but Mayo is not a play maker. He simply has not been a play maker even his rookie season he wasn't one, he was a tackle machine, but not a pla ymaker.

I agree 100%! Mayo is JAG. No makes zero big plays, period. Compare his stats (sepecially big plays like INT, FF, TFL, PD, etc) to Willis in San Fran and consider that Willis does not play behind a stud like Wilfork.

BB can go to the NFL player bone yard and find a ton of guys that make tackles 4 yards downfield. They are numerous beyond belief and unemployed for a reason, it is because they make tackles four yards downfield, which is exactly what we got with Mayo.

BB needs to stick to his mantra, "Big guys that run fast." Follow your own party line BB and draft accordingly to get us something resembling an ILB playmaker for our defense.

Spikes is so freaking SSSLLLOOOWWWWW that it is almost painful to watch.

 

[bucky]

I completely agree that this team is lacking playmakers. To me, a playmaker is not just someone who beats their guy 1 on 1, it's someone who comes up with game-changing plays - sacks, negative yardage plays, interceptions, forced fumbles, etc.

That said, I would say Merriweather and Banta Cain are the only 2 playmakers right now and Butler is a potential playmaker. It's way too early to make any determination on the rookies.

 

[JackBauer]

Aww, looks like somebody is still bitter that BB didn't draft Cody.

I suggest you continue relegating yourself to Draft Talk until you're done with your crying, Ochmed. Further, your observation that Mayo doesn't make as many "big plays" as the best LB in the game is truly compelling and incisive.

I agree 100%! Mayo is JAG. No makes zero big plays, period. Compare his stats (sepecially big plays like INT, FF, TFL, PD, etc) to Willis in San Fran and consider that Willis does not play behind a stud like Wilfork.

BB can go to the NFL player bone yard and find a ton of guys that make tackles 4 yards downfield. They are numerous beyond belief and unemployed for a reason, it is because they make tackles four yards downfield, which is exactly what we got with Mayo.

BB needs to stick to his mantra, "Big guys that run fast." Follow your own party line BB and draft accordingly to get us something resembling an ILB playmaker for our defense.

Spikes is so freaking SSSLLLOOOWWWWW that it is almost painful to watch.

 

[JackBauer]

I completely agree that this team is lacking playmakers. To me, a playmaker is not just someone who beats their guy 1 on 1, it's someone who comes up with game-changing plays - sacks, negative yardage plays, interceptions, forced fumbles, etc.

That said, I would say Merriweather and Banta Cain are the only 2 playmakers right now and Butler is a potential playmaker. It's way too early to make any determination on the rookies.

By that standard, wouldn't Bodden's 5 INTs from last season qualify?

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Wilfork and Meriweather

Wilfork is not a "playmaker", he is a space eater. A space eater recreates opportunities for the LBers to make plays. Unfortunately for us, our LBers are horrible and practically worthless.

Meriweather may make the occasional play, but he gives up a ton as well. He bites on everything. Last night I saw an old lady in the stands by the end zone get up to use the bathroom and Meriweather ran over to cover her.

 

[iapatsfan]

Well I can't take a guy who doesn't know how to break his writing into paragraphs seriously.

Take that!

Now Jack Bauer is in this. Another guy from whom I should definitely be taking posting advice. One should always take advice from a guy who names himself after a fictional television character. Sorry to bust your bubble Jack, but he is fictional. By the way, all of those folks you see at your annual Star Trek convention...Yep they're fictional too.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Aww, looks like somebody is still bitter that BB didn't draft Cody.

I suggest you continue relegating yourself to Draft Talk until you're done with your crying, Ochmed. Further, your observation that Mayo doesn't make as many "big plays" as the best LB in the game is truly compelling and incisive.

Lat time I checked, Mt. Cody and Mayo played two entirely different positions.

And considering where they were drafted in the first round of their respective drafts, I think a Wilis and Mayo compariosn makes perfect sense.

 

[JackBauer]

Now Jack Bauer is in this. Another guy from whom I should definitely be taking posting advice. One should always take advice from a guy who names himself after a fictional television character. Sorry to bust your bubble Jack, but he is fictional. By the way, all of those folks you see at your annual Star Trek convention...Yep they're fictional too.

Hey, at least I know basic grammar and can write coherently.

Come back once you've finished your remedial English course. In the meantime, while you're cuddling up with your binky at night, just know that we'll miss your invaluable posts.

 

[JackBauer]

Lat time I checked, Mt. Cody and Mayo played two entirely different positions.

And considering where they were drafted in the first round of their respective drafts, I think a Wilis and Mayo compariosn makes perfect sense.

1.) Willis and Mayo were not comparable prospects

2.) The point is not to compare Cody and Mayo. The point is that ever since the draft, you've made it a point to whine and whine and whine about how utterly terrible guys like Spikes and Cunningham are; the genesis of said butthurt being, of course, BB's passing over Cody in the draft. You know that saying about time and wounds, right?

And your point about Meriweather couldn't be more errant.

 

[iapatsfan]

Hey, at least I know basic grammar and can write coherently.

Come back once you've finished your remedial English course. In the meantime, while you're cuddling up with your binky at night, just know that we'll miss your invaluable posts.

I believe it's something like Rule #21 in the book of being a man that states, If you start a rebuttal in an argument with the statement, "Hey, at least I", you've lost the argument. Appreciate the effort though. By the way Jack Bauer, you know that guy named Santa your parents talk about...I'm not going to do that to you. You've had enough revelations for the day.

 

[bucky]

By that standard, wouldn't Bodden's 5 INTs from last season qualify?

His stats are a little skewed by one game when Sanchez just threw the ball to him. But I'll put him in the borderline category. He's definitely better than Sanders and Mayo. There is no one on this team at a level of Rodney Harrison, Tedy Bruschi pre-stroke, or even Assante Samuel.

 

[The_Riddler]

Sorry to say, but Mayo is not a play maker. He simply has not been a play maker even his rookie season he wasn't one, he was a tackle machine, but not a pla ymaker.

Well said, and I agree, many of Mayo's tackles in 08 (padding the totals) were made after gained yardage, we didn't see many if any at all at or behind the LOS. Thus he gets DROY based on a tackle-total stat that is deceiving.

I'm not saying he's a bad football player, but like this guy just said, he's not a playmaker. And we need to me more out of him to be honest. I look at a Patrick Willis who was selected right around the same spot as Mayo in the draft and he is far and away, a much better football player, he's a play maker.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Sounds like a rhetorical question.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I don't usually like to pile on, but I will here. iapatsfan, I think it a bit absurd to denigrate someone's opinion based on the handle they use for the forum. Yours is a working title, sure, descriptive, gives us an idea of your location and your rooting interest, fine. I and others here should not judge you based on the name you have chosen, but rather the opinions that you opine.

This is where I will denigrate your original post. You pine for the days of Milloy/Harrison I see. Great. You must pine for the preseason games they played together, because as all longtime Pats fans remember, they never played a single real game together. Milloy was cut a week before the season started, due to a contract dispute, and Eugene Wilson stepped in and did a fine job.

Otis Smith and Tyrone Poole never played together either. So I think we all pine for the imaginary days of yore when combinations of players that never played together were better than the actual, real life, reality that is our combination of players today.

Oh, and astute in pointing out that our current LBs are not as good as the group that was clearly the best in the NFL. Astute indeed. Everyone else on here is convinced otherwise.

 

[JackBauer]

I believe it's something like Rule #21 in the book of being a man that states, If you start a rebuttal in an argument with the statement, "Hey, at least I", you've lost the argument. Appreciate the effort though. By the way Jack Bauer, you know that guy named Santa your parents talk about...I'm not going to do that to you. You've had enough revelations for the day.

Oh yeah? You really lack self-awareness to the degree that you can say that after you wrote this:

Sorry, but I can't take a guy with the name DaBruinz seriously when he's critical. In my opinion, the name DaBruinz and valid point are mutually exclusive.

...but since you brought up Star Trek: http://www.lostrepublic.us/Graphics/DoubleFacePalm.jpg

Anyway, I'm done with you as you're not worth my time.

 

[Deus Irae]

Wilfork is not a "playmaker", he is a space eater. A space eater recreates opportunities for the LBers to make plays. Unfortunately for us, our LBers are horrible and practically worthless.

Meriweather may make the occasional play, but he gives up a ton as well. He bites on everything. Last night I saw an old lady in the stands by the end zone get up to use the bathroom and Meriweather ran over to cover her.

What a silly notion. Wilfork transforms opposition game plans because he's so disruptive against the run.

 

[iapatsfan]

I don't usually like to pile on, but I will here. iapatsfan, I think it a bit absurd to denigrate someone's opinion based on the handle they use for the forum. Yours is a working title, sure, descriptive, gives us an idea of your location and your rooting interest, fine. I and others here should not judge you based on the name you have chosen, but rather the opinions that you opine.

This is where I will denigrate your original post. You pine for the days of Milloy/Harrison I see. Great. You must pine for the preseason games they played together, because as all longtime Pats fans remember, they never played a single real game together. Milloy was cut a week before the season started, due to a contract dispute, and Eugene Wilson stepped in and did a fine job.

Otis Smith and Tyrone Poole never played together either. So I think we all pine for the imaginary days of yore when combinations of players that never played together were better than the actual, real life, reality that is our combination of players today.

Oh, and astute in pointing out that our current LBs are not as good as the group that was clearly the best in the NFL. Astute indeed. Everyone else on here is convinced otherwise.

I am not saying any of these players played together. I'm just stating there seemed to always be a transition from one group of playmakers to the next.

As for poking fun at DaBruinz and JackBauer. I only did this because they originally got involved in this post by criticizing the structure of my post vs. the content. If I thought proper structure was the purpose of this forum, I would have made an effort to break out the original post into paragraphs. It really irritates me to see these members that choose to critique the grammatical quality of posts instead of just addressing the content. How egotistical do you have to be to attempt to point out structural, grammatical or any type of typing errors in the posts of a Patriots fan forum.

 

[JackBauer]

I am not saying any of these players played together. I'm just stating there seemed to always be a transition from one group of playmakers to the next.

As for poking fun at DaBruinz and JackBauer. I only did this because they originally got involved in this post by criticizing the structure of my post vs. the content. If I thought proper structure was the purpose of this forum, I would have made an effort to break out the original post into paragraphs. It really irritates me to see these members that choose to critique the grammatical quality of posts instead of just addressing the content. How egotistical do you have to be to attempt to point out structural, grammatical or any type of typing errors in the posts of a Patriots fan forum.

Uh, no.

I only tossed that criticism in your face after you chose to disregard DB's post based on his handle. That was after I had previously posted to address your OP. Reading is fundamental.