BJGE to have more opportunities?

[patsinthesnow]

So how was BJGE penalized for the fact that there was a long stretch last season where both Fred Taylor and Sammy Morris were inactive and BJGE didn't get a single carry even with Maroney and Faulk as the only other healthy backs. Even when Maroney was benched for fumbling into the endzone, Faulk not BJGE took the starting RB spot. So is the lack of depth at RB different than the lack of depth at WR or QB.

Just admit your theory is wrong. Belichick doesn't penalize a player for TWO YEARS from getting playing time because he was an UDFA. Never has happened and never will. BJGE actually started THREE games his rookie year and none his second year. So he got less opportunities his second year than he got his first. Again, blowing your theory out of the water. BJGE doesn't get opportunities because of his talent, not his draft position.

We'll see when Maroney fumbles on opening day.

 

[JackBauer]

We'll see when Maroney fumbles on opening day.

Given the fact that Maroney has fumbled very rarely over the course of his career, I wouldn't count on that happening if I were a betting man.

 

[eagle eye]

Draft position DOES equate to playing time in the first 2 seasons of a player though. The only way this changes is due to injuries.

Why was Brady the 4th string QB his rookie year? His draft position. Why did we need to wait for Drew to get his head knocked off? draft position.
Maybe he wasn't ready his first year, ever think of that? And Drew was a very decent QB so you don't just throw him out when he is having a good reason. It was his last year though.
Why was Welker cut from the Chargers? He went undrafted.
He made their roster but got cut after the first week because they had problems in the secondary and needed help. They did try and sign him to the practice squad for that year.
Why did Jamarcus Russell get so many chances? He was the #1 overall pick.
Al wasn't willing to give up on him because everybody said what a bad pick it was. It was an ego thing is why he lasted so long.
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I could go on and on.......
Yeah you could have stayed with the Patriots instead of going around the league looking for examples.
Chad Jackson, Kareem Brown didn't last long with the Patriots and they were both drafted but on the other hand Pierre Woods, Gary Guyton and Mike Wright are all undrafted free agents.
If BJGE does nothing at all this year you were right and I was wrong. Fact is he is a UDFA with only 2 years of experience who has fought a depth chart of vets.

Thats me done with this thread.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Getting triple teamed by Maroney defenders, this is fun.

Just remember folks, it could have been Deangelo Williams, Maurice Jones-Drew, or Joseph Addai.

Can't wait in 2011 when Maroney is signed for vet minimum to play 3rd string for the browns.

 

[Deus Irae]

Getting triple teamed by Maroney defenders, this is fun.

Just remember folks, it could have been Deangelo Williams, Maurice Jones-Drew, or Joseph Addai.

Can't wait in 2011 when Maroney is signed for vet minimum to play 3rd string for the browns.

Addai? Great comedy!


Wait........ are you seriously trying to pimp Addai over Maroney?


You should probably give Polian a call and explain to him the greatness that is Joseph Addai, since Polian, who apparently knows nothing about drafting, drafted Donald Brown, a running back, with his first round pick in 2009.

 

[Rob0729]

Getting triple teamed by Maroney defenders, this is fun.

Just remember folks, it could have been Deangelo Williams, Maurice Jones-Drew, or Joseph Addai.

Can't wait in 2011 when Maroney is signed for vet minimum to play 3rd string for the browns.

The Colts fans would happily trade Addai for Maroney straight up. Addai has sucked big time since he played the Pats in November of 2007.

As for Maroney, I am not so much defending him as pointing out the obvious fact that BJGE isn't as good as him.

 

[eagle eye]

Getting triple teamed by Maroney defenders, this is fun.

Just remember folks, it could have been Deangelo Williams, Maurice Jones-Drew, or Joseph Addai.

Can't wait in 2011 when Maroney is signed for vet minimum to play 3rd string for the browns.

Were you biggin' up DeAngelo Williams two years ago before they got Jonathon Stewart? Don't think so somehow.

And Maroney is better than Addai.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Funny when I mentioned the 3 RBs instead of admitting "Yeah, we kindof messed up on the Maroney pick"

ALL THREE of you guys said: "He is better than Addai, are you friggin soft!"

Joseph Addai 2009 season: 219 carries 828 yards 3.8 avg. 10 TDs 1 fumble

Laurence Maroney 2009 season: 194 carries 757 yards 3.9 avg 9 TDs 4 fumbles


Nice try guys, the stats show they are both mediocre backs. The stats even favour addai. Based on Addai's overall career, I'd rather have Addai.

 

[Rob0729]

Funny when I mentioned the 3 RBs instead of admitting "Yeah, we kindof messed up on the Maroney pick"

ALL THREE of you guys said: "He is better than Addai, are you friggin soft!"

Joseph Addai 2009 season: 219 carries 828 yards 3.8 avg. 10 TDs 1 fumble

Laurence Maroney 2009 season: 194 carries 757 yards 3.9 avg 9 TDs 4 fumbles


Nice try guys, the stats show they are both mediocre backs. The stats even favour addai. Based on Addai's overall career, I'd rather have Addai.

You would be about the only one including Colts fans.

 

[patsinthesnow]

You would be about the only one including Colts fans.

Are the stats lieing?

You said Addai has sucked since 2007.

Since Maroney has had worse stats than Addai every year, it's safe to say Maroney has sucked since we got him.

 

[Rob0729]

Are the stats lieing?

You said Addai has sucked since 2007.

Since Maroney has had worse stats than Addai every year, it's safe to say Maroney has sucked since we got him.

No you are giving selective stats without giving the whole story.

Addai was "The Guy" all year while Maroney was backing up Fred Taylor until he got injured. Maroney had 25 less attempts than Addai. If Maroney rushed 25 times more, he would have had better total numbers and possibly more TDs than Addai.

And you haven't proven BJGE is better than Maroney which was the original argument.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Draft position DOES equate to playing time in the first 2 seasons of a player though. The only way this changes is due to injuries.

Why was Brady the 4th string QB his rookie year? His draft position. Why did we need to wait for Drew to get his head knocked off? draft position.

And the reason why he got a chance, and stayed on the team, is because when he got his chance he demonstrated that he was a very good quarterback

Why was Welker cut from the Chargers? He went undrafted.

And when he was given a chance with the dolphins, he played really well and showed that he was a starter-caliber WR.

Why did Jamarcus Russell get so many chances? He was the #1 overall pick.

No, he got so many chances because he was a Raider. He wouldn't have made it through training camp for the Pats, even if for the sake of argument they drafted/signed him (which they never would).

If BJGE does nothing at all this year you were right and I was wrong. Fact is he is a UDFA with only 2 years of experience who has fought a depth chart of vets.

Last year, that argument could have been made credibly. But despite injury, age, and depth issues repeatedly surfacing at RB last year, BJGE got only a fraction of the carries that he did in 2008, because Belichick knew that he couldn't get it done outside of garbage time.

 

[Reckedtrek]

I think BJGE is good enough to be what he has been the last two years- the #5, maybe eventually the #4 RB and good enough to be on the 53 man roster. For the last two years it's been posted over and over about how BJGE is NOT going to make the final roster that year... and then he does.

If he was better than he is, he'd be the #4 or #3 RB this year. If he was worse than he is, BB would have replaced him by now. Maybe keeping 3 TE's will result in him being cut. Maybe another virtually inevitable injury or 2 or 3 to the AARP RB roster we have will make BB think twice before cutting him.

What will our RB roster look like at this time of year, 2011? If BJGE sticks this year, It will be him next year (2011) behind Faulk (who will be on the roster until he really is on AARP- read as sarcasm), a FA pickup and a first or second round draft pick at RB. BJGE will still be on the bottom rung, but I think he'll still be here assuming he makes it through this years cuts.

 

[patsinthesnow]

No you are giving selective stats without giving the whole story.

Addai was "The Guy" all year while Maroney was backing up Fred Taylor until he got injured. Maroney had 25 less attempts than Addai. If Maroney rushed 25 times more, he would have had better total numbers and possibly more TDs than Addai.

And you haven't proven BJGE is better than Maroney which was the original argument.

Here's my argument. The most important regular game of the season last year.

Maroney: 13 carries 31 yards 2.4 average. fumble at the goalline. That was the last straw I've had with him.

You know why people hear don't like Maroney and like BJGE. We just want CHANGE at starting RB, we can't stand this level of mediocrity at the position. BJGE got his chance, had a 100 yard game, got screwed after the Jets game, and never started again.

Listen, you guys can think me (and others) are morons for thinking this way. Truth is Tedy Bruschi and Troy Brown think the same way. Bruschi's been frustrated with the position for awhile. I guess they are dumb too.

 

[BradyFTW!]

So BenJarvus has made the team two years in a row now, improving and becoming more versatile each year... and now people think the Pats are going to cut him? Based on what?

He's young, isn't injury prone, and runs much harder than Maroney. If the Pats want to pound the ball more this year, I'd love to see Law Firm getting the ball more. He's exactly what they need.

How has he improved? Improved so much that they reduced his carries to one-third of their former total last season? BJGE carries the ball in preseason, garbage time, and when the #1-#4 RBs are injured. That's it.

And saying that he runs harder than someone who broke his shoulder running through guys is something that I have some difficulty with.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Here's my argument. The most important regular game of the season last year.

Maroney: 13 carries 31 yards 2.4 average. fumble at the goalline. That was the last straw I've had with him.

You know why people hear don't like Maroney and like BJGE. We just want CHANGE at starting RB, we can't stand this level of mediocrity at the position. BJGE got his chance, had a 100 yard game, got screwed after the Jets game, and never started again.

Against Buffalo. That does matter. When he played against good defenses, he was a JAG.

Listen, you guys can think me (and others) are morons for thinking this way. Truth is Tedy Bruschi and Troy Brown think the same way. Bruschi's been frustrated with the position for awhile. I guess they are dumb too.

So you're really going to use an appeal to authority in the same post where you implicitly call out Belichick for not knowing which running back to play? I'll see your Bruschi/Brown and raise you a Belichick. And btw, neither Bruschi nor Brown said that they prefer BJGE to Maroney.

 

[TheComeback]

BJGE also saw his carries cut from 74 to 26. That's being ignored by the "BJGE!!!!!!" crowd.

I'm clearly in the BJGE crowd, and I haven't ignored the drop in carries. Without any explanation from the staff, we can only speculate on why those carries dropped. The simplest, but not only, reason is that he's less effective than Taylor, Morris, Maroney, and can't do Faulk's job.

That shouldn't surprise since Maroney is a first round talent who already knows the playbook, and the rest are older, wily veterans who also know the system. In addition, we all know how important blitz pickup is for backs to get playing time in BB's system, and this area has been routinely cited as one of BGJE's weaknesses.

2008 was a different year and all of our backs, including Maroney, were injured when BJGE got the vast majority of his playing time that year. I think that helps to explain at least some of the drop in opportunities for Green-Ellis.

We'll see what happens in 2010. We could certainly use a young, healthy running back.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I'm clearly in the BJGE crowd, and I haven't ignored the drop in carries. Without any explanation from the staff, we can only speculate on why those carries dropped. The simplest, but not only, reason is that he's less effective than Taylor, Morris, Maroney, and can't do Faulk's job.

That shouldn't surprise since Maroney is a first round talent who already knows the playbook, and the rest are older, wily veterans who also know the system. In addition, we all know how important blitz pickup is for backs to get playing time in BB's system, and this area has been routinely cited as one of BGJE's weaknesses.

2008 was a different year and all of our backs, including Maroney, were injured when BJGE got the vast majority of his playing time that year. I think that helps to explain at least some of the drop in opportunities for Green-Ellis.

We'll see what happens in 2010. We could certainly use a young, healthy running back.

That's a reasonable perspective- it seemed that you were lumping yourself in with the BJGE > Maroney crowd when you claimed that he runs harder, but apparently not. Instead, I'll grant that 'running hard' is a fairly subjective term, and just leave it at that.

 

[Rob0729]

Here's my argument. The most important regular game of the season last year.

Maroney: 13 carries 31 yards 2.4 average. fumble at the goalline. That was the last straw I've had with him.

You know why people hear don't like Maroney and like BJGE. We just want CHANGE at starting RB, we can't stand this level of mediocrity at the position. BJGE got his chance, had a 100 yard game, got screwed after the Jets game, and never started again.

Listen, you guys can think me (and others) are morons for thinking this way. Truth is Tedy Bruschi and Troy Brown think the same way. Bruschi's been frustrated with the position for awhile. I guess they are dumb too.

Just because you don't like Maroney doesn't mean BJGE is any good. My problem with Maroney is consistency. He was great for games last year and not as great as others.

Bruschi and Brown have been frustrated because the Pats is really old at that position and none of the top three have been consistently healthy the last few years. It isn't that they think Maroney is complete garbage.

 

[Deus Irae]

You would be about the only one including Colts fans.

Are the stats lieing?

You said Addai has sucked since 2007.

Since Maroney has had worse stats than Addai every year, it's safe to say Maroney has sucked since we got him.

This past off-season, no one was more ripped, bashed, berated, and dogged by us Colts fans than Joseph Addai.

I don't want to hear any more complaining about Joseph Addai - Stampede Blue

because addai sucks of course, hence the minus 3, thats actually a good gain for him

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Addai sucks in my humble opinion

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