So let's take a good look at McCourty, shall we?

[The Dynasty]

No it doesnt.
We need the corner much more than the WR. I'll pass on Bryants character flaws also.
Odrick will prove to be a stiff and wouldnt have barely seen the field this year.
Maybe there are other players we could have considered but I would have prefered trading the pick for 2 2nds than to take one of those guys.

Bodden and Butler seem pretty qualified for me, Wheatley or Wilhite have the potential to make an impact, they are young and maturing and getting healthy. WR we are without questionably our most valuable WR for who knows how much of the year. We saw last season how teams could focus in on one or two of our WRs and take them out of the game and make other WRs make plays to beat them. We couldnt do that with what we had last year. We replaced Aiken with Holt, but we still need someone to replace Welker. Edelman isnt ready to do that. What makes you say that about Odrick? and Bryant would have had everything he needed for success if he came to NE...2 mentors (Moss, Holt), a QB in Brady and BB as a coach

 

[The Dynasty]

When did he say he thuoght he wouldnt be picked tonight? I think your facts are wrong. A disgruntled poster conclued that because he was in the bathroom when the phone rang.

PeteThamelNYT

RT @BrendanPrunty: Just spoke to Devin McCourty- he was convinced he wasn't going in the 1st so he went to the bathroom.

 

[The Dynasty]

Wait a minute.
Are you saying that because the writers job is to follow the Pats they knw more than posters, yet posters apparently know more than BB?
You dont really believe that sportswriters scout draft choices do you?

I dont think anyone on here thinks they are smarter than BB. When you question him, it doesnt mean you think you are smarter than him.

The good sports reporters, yes I think they do their research and know what they are talking about.

 

[DaBruinz]

Again with the whole media debate, comes up with pretty much every debate ever had on here. Their job is to cover the team and the game, they know a lot more the anyone that posts on here. They may not do as much scouting as the Patriots do, but they do enough of it to form a pretty well formed opinion and the respected hard working media members definitely have the authority to question the Patriots decisions. I am not referring to the media that you named, some of the Boston members have already questioned the pick and I am not talking Felger, Borges or Shank

You clearly can't admit that you're WRONG and that you base way too much of your analysis on idiots like Kiper and the sites that the Patriots don't use. I don't know where you've been hiding the last 10 years, but the Pats have made it very very clear that they don't give out information on how they evaluated a particular player.

No, these guys don't do enough to come up with a well-formed opinion. WHY? Because they don't sit down with the guys in the film rooms and break down film, asking them questions the way the Pats do.

They can "question the authority" of the Patriots all they want. NONE of them is working for an NFL team right now. And most have never worked with Belichick on scouting and drafting players. So, they're shooting in the dark.

I know that you're referring to Curran, Breer, and Reiss. I saw their arrogant tweets and I laughed. Why? NONE of them have ever gotten a Patriots 1st round pick correct to my knowledge. Not only that, NONE of them have had the access to the Patriots the way Mike Holley has. None of them.

So, who are you going to believe? Guys who haven't actually scouted players for a living or the Pats Staff who have more hits than misses during their tenure.

 

[DaBruinz]

When you stop being an unthinking homer, you'll be a lot smarter for it.

Umm.. You clearly are being a dumbass. I am the one who is thinking. NOT YOU. Not with your arrogant garbage of claiming the pick was IDIOCY when YOU don't even have a modicum of friggin information.

 

[Lockdown24]

just an outside opinion. i think mccourty will be a very good starting cb. like i said in previous posts, the pats passed on dez bryant. i'm pissed at tannenbaum for not trading up to get him at 24. i don't understand how the pats and so many teams passed on him because he forgot his shoes. this kid is top 5 talent and he's gonna make people pay. at some point you have to stop trading down and eventually pick somebody worth it...

 

[The Dynasty]

You clearly can't admit that you're WRONG and that you base way too much of your analysis on idiots like Kiper and the sites that the Patriots don't use. I don't know where you've been hiding the last 10 years, but the Pats have made it very very clear that they don't give out information on how they evaluated a particular player.

No, these guys don't do enough to come up with a well-formed opinion. WHY? Because they don't sit down with the guys in the film rooms and break down film, asking them questions the way the Pats do.

They can "question the authority" of the Patriots all they want. NONE of them is working for an NFL team right now. And most have never worked with Belichick on scouting and drafting players. So, they're shooting in the dark.

I know that you're referring to Curran, Breer, and Reiss. I saw their arrogant tweets and I laughed. Why? NONE of them have ever gotten a Patriots 1st round pick correct to my knowledge. Not only that, NONE of them have had the access to the Patriots the way Mike Holley has. None of them.

So, who are you going to believe? Guys who haven't actually scouted players for a living or the Pats Staff who have more hits than misses during their tenure.

You are just a homer and get all upset when people especially the media question a decision that BB and the Pats make. You start to question if they have the authority to question them and what not. Anyone has the right to question the Pats, they do make some mistakes you know, everyone does.

So what if the Pats drafted a player than fans and the media guys liked. If they tweeted posted that liked the pick, would you laugh then? Would you say they cant like the pick because they dont know anything about the players because they dont scout the player? Just because Holley followed the team around for a year doesnt make what Curran, Reiss and Breer do not creditable. I know Curran and Reiss are close with BB, so they do know what they are talking about. The Pats staff isnt always going to be right, contrary to your belief.

 

[DaBruinz]

Wait, now it's Whoopdeedoo after signing your own praise on Light? I love how you've tried to turn this around.

God, you are being an ass tonight. Since you missed it, i wasn't singing my praisies. I suggest you go back and actually read what I wrote instead of making half-arsed assumptions. You'll look more intelligent.

As for the arrogant nonsense, that's great irony coming from you. Also, as for you knowing your answer is clearly the more intelligent one, you should keep that fantasy alive in your head for as long as you can.

Listen, just because your arrogance won't let you see reality doesn't mean I'm living in fantasy. Your the one making the asinine claims that it was an idiotic pick when you don't have even the slightest amount of information in comparison to the Patriots. I'm the one saying that there is NO WAY to form an accurate opinion because we don't have adequate information. THAT'S REALITY. If you don't like it. Tough. You'll just have to deal with it. Go whine to a friggin Jets fan or something if that's the case.

 

[Ring 6]

Bodden and Butler seem pretty qualified for me, Wheatley or Wilhite have the potential to make an impact, they are young and maturing and getting healthy. WR we are without questionably our most valuable WR for who knows how much of the year. We saw last season how teams could focus in on one or two of our WRs and take them out of the game and make other WRs make plays to beat them. We couldnt do that with what we had last year. We replaced Aiken with Holt, but we still need someone to replace Welker. Edelman isnt ready to do that. What makes you say that about Odrick? and Bryant would have had everything he needed for success if he came to NE...2 mentors (Moss, Holt), a QB in Brady and BB as a coach

Moss and Holt seem pretty qualified too. We were #3 pass offense last year, and we have Tom Brady. Why is Edleman not ready as the #3 WR, but Butler ready as the #2 corner? Or Wilhite or Wheatley.
To say Edelman isnt ready but Wheatley and Wilhite have the potential to make an impact is to ignore what has happened on the field.

Moss-Bodden
Holt-Butler
Edelman-Wilhite
Anyone-Wheatley

Do you really think the guy on the right is better in any of those matchups?

 

[Deus Irae]

Umm.. You clearly are being a dumbass. I am the one who is thinking. NOT YOU. Not with your arrogant garbage of claiming the pick was IDIOCY when YOU don't even have a modicum of friggin information.

Your next clear thought in this thread will be your first. This post of yours pretty much demonstrates that. As I noted, and you responded to, I was posting about the pick in a vacuum.

People are actually defending this pick when it's still in a vacuum?


Really?

Because we don't have concrete information on others planning to steal him, we don't have information on the Patriots trading for talented veterans at the DE, OLB or ILB positions, and we don't know the rest of the draft. All we know is one move, in a vacuum.

In other words, I'm admitting that we don't have the information, and noting that pretty damned clearly. Stop clowning yourself. It's embarrassing even for us to watch.

 

[Deus Irae]

God, you are being an ass tonight. Since you missed it, i wasn't singing my praisies. I suggest you go back and actually read what I wrote instead of making half-arsed assumptions. You'll look more intelligent.

I did read it. You brought up Light, which had nothing to do with my post.

Listen, just because your arrogance won't let you see reality doesn't mean I'm living in fantasy. Your the one making the asinine claims that it was an idiotic pick when you don't have even the slightest amount of information in comparison to the Patriots. I'm the one saying that there is NO WAY to form an accurate opinion because we don't have adequate information. THAT'S REALITY. If you don't like it. Tough. You'll just have to deal with it. Go whine to a friggin Jets fan or something if that's the case.

See my post just before this, and stop clowning yourself.

Even for you, this is pathetic.

 

[DaBruinz]

You are just a homer and get all upset when people especially the media question a decision that BB and the Pats make. You start to question if they have the authority to question them and what not. Anyone has the right to question the Pats, they do make some mistakes you know, everyone does.

I'm not upset. And if admitting that there is no way for us, as fans, to form an accurate opinion because we don't have all the information makes me a homer. so be it. I'd rather look intelligent in admitting that I don't know how the Pats came up with the pick, than arrogant and stupid by pretending I've got some information that the Pats don't have, which makes me smarter than the Patriots.

OH and the Pats have yet to miss on a 1st round pick under Belichick.

So what if the Pats drafted a player than fans and the media guys liked. If they tweeted posted that liked the pick, would you laugh then? Would you say they cant like the pick because they dont know anything about the players because they dont scout the player? Just because Holley followed the team around for a year doesnt make what Curran, Reiss and Breer do not creditable. I know Curran and Reiss are close with BB, so they do know what they are talking about. The Pats staff isnt always going to be right, contrary to your belief.

You clear aren't intelligent enough to be responding to my posts because you aren't really contradicting what I'm saying. In fact, you're making my case.

1) Why be stupid and waste all the emotions on getting upset? Why not try and learn? Or are you too smart to learn anything??

2) Breer, Curran, and Reiss aren't close to BB on a personal level. Not even remotely. Whatever gave you that idea is beyond me. Mayock is closer to BB than any of those 3 are. And even in the Mayock interview, BB refused to give ANY information with how they evaluated players.. Even going back to LT.

3) You clearly didn't understand the reference to Holley. Holley has a better relationship with BB than any of the three you mentioned. Yet Holly wasn't allowed to reveal ANY actual evaluation materials on any particular players.

4) Neither Reiss, Curran, nor Breer have gotten picks correct for the Patriots. They've always been wrong. So, if they have been wrong, why would you think that they could offer any insight on the Patriots picking of McCorty?

 

[DaBruinz]

I did read it. You brought up Light, which had nothing to do with my post.

No, you clearly didn't read what I said. If you had, you'd have realized that I admitted that it was PURE LUCK that I picked Light for the Pats. Instead, you think I'm praising myself. That shows YOU didn't read it. Maybe you should go back and read it again. Or are you to arrogant to admit you were wrong?

See my post just before this, and stop clowning yourself.

Even for you, this is pathetic.

I read your idiotic post and replied accordling. Maybe you should go back and re-read it since I actually quoted you. YOU are the one being Pathetic. Not I. I'm the one living in reality here.

 

[The Dynasty]

Moss and Holt seem pretty qualified too. We were #3 pass offense last year, and we have Tom Brady. Why is Edleman not ready as the #3 WR, but Butler ready as the #2 corner? Or Wilhite or Wheatley.
To say Edelman isnt ready but Wheatley and Wilhite have the potential to make an impact is to ignore what has happened on the field.

Moss-Bodden
Holt-Butler
Edelman-Wilhite
Anyone-Wheatley

Do you really think the guy on the right is better in any of those matchups?

You are comparing guys on different sides of the ball, you cant really do that.

Stats dont tell the whole story, do you really think we were the third best pass offense in the league? When you have Moss and especially Welker stats will fool you. Butler actually played the whole season and made plays and has played CB his entire football career. Edelman will begin his 2nd season in his entire career playing WR, last season there were times where he lined up in the wrong spot and ran the wrong route. Dont get me wrong he showed he can play, but he is still learning so he isnt ready to step in and replace Welker. Holt isnt a #2 WR either.

 

[Deus Irae]

No, you clearly didn't read what I said. If you had, you'd have realized that I admitted that it was PURE LUCK that I picked Light for the Pats. Instead, you think I'm praising myself. That shows YOU didn't read it. Maybe you should go back and read it again. Or are you to arrogant to admit you were wrong?




I read your idiotic post and replied accordling. Maybe you should go back and re-read it since I actually quoted you. YOU are the one being Pathetic. Not I. I'm the one living in reality here.

I read it, re-read it, posted it, and read it again. You're still living in a fantasy world. Then again, that's become the norm for the rabid homers around here over the course of the past 15 months.

 

[The Dynasty]

I'm not upset. And if admitting that there is no way for us, as fans, to form an accurate opinion because we don't have all the information makes me a homer. so be it. I'd rather look intelligent in admitting that I don't know how the Pats came up with the pick, than arrogant and stupid by pretending I've got some information that the Pats don't have, which makes me smarter than the Patriots.

OH and the Pats have yet to miss on a 1st round pick under Belichick.

Oh yeah, they havent missed? Daniel Graham? Watson? Maroney? Havent lived up to be first round picks.

You clear aren't intelligent enough to be responding to my posts because you aren't really contradicting what I'm saying. In fact, you're making my case.

1) Why be stupid and waste all the emotions on getting upset? Why not try and learn? Or are you too smart to learn anything??

2) Breer, Curran, and Reiss aren't close to BB on a personal level. Not even remotely. Whatever gave you that idea is beyond me. Mayock is closer to BB than any of those 3 are. And even in the Mayock interview, BB refused to give ANY information with how they evaluated players.. Even going back to LT.

3) You clearly didn't understand the reference to Holley. Holley has a better relationship with BB than any of the three you mentioned. Yet Holly wasn't allowed to reveal ANY actual evaluation materials on any particular players.

4) Neither Reiss, Curran, nor Breer have gotten picks correct for the Patriots. They've always been wrong. So, if they have been wrong, why would you think that they could offer any insight on the Patriots picking of McCorty?

I dont even understand what you are trying to say? Just because media guys dont pick the Patriots picks correctly means that they arent allowed to question the teams decisions? BB is never going to reveal any of his picks to anyone, no coach in the league is going to do that. You are obviously just a typical homer that hates the media that criticizes decisions made by the Pats

 

[Joker]

uh.,..you are about five thousand par secs or maybe 150 quadrants out in the cosmos on your "lockdown corner" assertion. Off the top of my head I can only think of three in the league,...Namdi,Revis and Woodson. Your expectations might well be valid about a top 10 pick but for the 28th pick in the first round...well I just made a quick perusal of corners drafted after 21 in the first round going back to '95 and found ZERO lockdown corners.

 

[Joker]

You are obviously just a typical homer that hates the media that criticizes decisions made by the Pats

again,where the heck are YOU coming from??? You just become a Patriots fan yesterday or what? To exemplify,I guess you take Borges side and I'm a "typical homer" for disagreeing with his assessment...think I'll stay a typical homer...thanks



For example, following the 2001 draft, Borges ripped New England for drafting defensive lineman Richard Seymour and offensive lineman Matt Light. He even taunted Belichick with a mock “genius” reference – and this was before Belichick had won a single Super Bowl as a head coach.

Quoth the hack on MSNBC.com: “On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson or the second-best tackle in the draft in Kenyatta Walker, they took Georgia defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who had 1 sack last season in the pass-happy SEC and is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten the last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon.”

 

[jeffbiologist]

Clearly, you are one of those people who thinks you have the ENTIRE story about a player just from the blurbs you get on the different Mock Sites. You totally discount the fact that BB and the other coaches met with all those guys. They also clearly felt that CB was an area of need. How the talent and need worked out in their evaluation, we'll never know.

But, consider this. every one of the 1st round picks that BB has taken since he got here has become a starter. Every one of them. Can you say the same about every other team during that same time frame? No. You can't.

So, if you are disappointed, it should be because your expectations are based a minute amount of information and you decided to put an exorbitant amount of emotion into those expectations.

I decided a long time ago that I'd rather learn and try and figure out what I was missing so I could make better educated guesses than too much time and energy into being sad/disappointed/pi$$ed off at Belichick.

Of note, McCourty is going to come in and be an immediate impact as a return guy and I wouldn't be surprised if he got regular reps as the nickel this year and then pushed Bodden next year for a starting role. That is, of course, if he doesn't surpass Butler entirely.

Now what I see you and alot of other posters doing is accepting that BB knows what he is doing and that this must be a great pick for the value. But what no one has gotten into was that we already have 5(or more)CBs on the roster that BB either paid good Krafty $$ or used a high pick(2&4th rounds). Now no team hits us with any 6 WR sets and I'm pretty sure he wasnt drafted just to take Slater's job. Somewhere BB has made a mistake and making this pick is owning up to it. We retooled the entire secondary in the last 2 years so the mistake is recent. Why dont we talk about who is getting fired side by side with who just got hired??

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Oh yeah, they havent missed? Daniel Graham? Watson? Maroney? Havent lived up to be first round picks.

Maybe they didn't turn into all-pros but they weren't train wrecks either, by a long shot. That's not something very many teams can say about a full decade of 1st round picks.

I dont even understand what you are trying to say? Just because media guys dont pick the Patriots picks correctly means that they arent allowed to question the teams decisions? BB is never going to reveal any of his picks to anyone, no coach in the league is going to do that. You are obviously just a typical homer that hates the media that criticizes decisions made by the Pats

I know the comment wasn't directed to me but I don't consider myself a homer for wanting to give the pick a chance. I like the reports I read on him and I like hearing Belichick call him a 4 down player. That means he's someone that can help you right away.

If it was up to me, I would have taken Kindle. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed not hearing his name called. As it is, we can still get him but I won't deny the possibility that he could be a bust, just as McCourty could and every player taken so far.

I've been wrong enough times to at least give him a chance, like I said. Questioning the pick is one thing. Hating the pick as if he's already a bust and assuming the other players we could have gotten will clearly be better is insane. (not directing that towards you exactly, just speaking in general)