JackBauer
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I sort of think its a C+ too. But to be fair you would have to compare these results to those of the other teams. I am guessing the Pats would rank in the lower middle, but I really don't know.
Here it goes for the Decade...looking at Rds 1-3 primarily as these are typically considered prospects that should make the team and be strong contributors as the roster churns annually.
32 total selected in rd 1-3
16 on Offense
16 on Defense
excluding 2009 draftees....
MAJOR IMPACT (Seymour, Light, Wilfork, Warren, Mankins) - 5
AVG CONTRIBUTION (Graham, Warren, Branch, Meriweather, Mankins, Hobbs) - 5
BUSTS (Klemm, Redmond, Williams, Davey, Wilson, Johnson, Watson, Hill, Scott, Kaczur, Jackson, Thomas, Wheatley, Crable, O'Connell) - 15
Most alarming is the number of Rd #2 picks and how many turned out to be complete busts....
2000
2. Adrian Klemm
3. JR Redmond
2001
1. R. Seymour
2. M. Light
3. Brock Williams
2002
1. D. Graham
2. D. Branch
3. R. Davey
2003
1. Ty Warren
2. E. Wilson
2. B. Johnson
2004
1. V. Wilfork
2. B. Watson
2. M. Hill
3. Gus Scott
2005
1. L. Mankins
3. E. Hobbs
3. N. Kaczur
2006
1. L. Maroney
2. C. Jackson
3. D. Thomas
2007
1. B. Merriweather
2008
1. Mayo
2. Wheatley
3. Crable
3. K. O'Connell
2009.
2. Chung
2. Brace
2. Butler
2. Vollmer
3. Tate
3. Mackenzie
Draft Grade for the Decade = C+
Its not useless.
It is the reason why the JETS are playing in the AFC Championship next week and the PATS are sitting at home drinking beer
Why because it exposes the truth about your hero BB?
BS, facts are facts..............
Why draft a Patrick Chung at the top of Round 2, play him sparingly, then sprinkle him in some more next year and then when he's finally ready to play by year 3.5, we only get 1.5 years of production out of him before he moves on because of BB's idiotic strategy of trading down into the second round and not being able to sign any 2nd round draft pick for more than a 4-year deal? Chung's the projected future right ? Well why not develop him from the outset instead of waiting to see him develop by year 3 or 4. In other words play him like other teams do with players taken that high..........Screw the James Sanders and other BS experiments. Garbage, play the higher upside draft pick and develop him BB. Unreal..........
The Jets trade up for difference makers. Revis, Sanchez (who is going to be really good like it not), Shonn Green (a trade up at the top of R3). BB can shove this trade down strategy up his tail................It's crap !!!!! Isn't it Ron Brace ? Oh Clay Matthews and James Laurinaitus, we are hardly knew yeee........
MAJOR IMPACT (Seymour, Light, Wilfork, Warren, Mankins) - 5
AVG CONTRIBUTION (Graham, Warren, Branch, Meriweather, Mankins, Hobbs) - 5
BUSTS (Klemm, Redmond, Williams, Davey, Wilson, Johnson, Watson, Hill, Scott, Kaczur, Jackson, Thomas, Wheatley, Crable, O'Connell) - 15
Where do the tags on threads come from?
"op is a homo"
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Welcome to my Ignore List. If I have to read any more from these three, I will have to
I hope you all follow your buddy KlineFan out the BANNED door.
Klinefan got banned? Wow. He was over the top but I didn't think his commentary was ban-able. I must have missed something I guess.
His last few posts were some real gems. You can still see his posts if you care to.
1) Any evaluatioin should have metrics.
2) Criticism should compare evaluations of the pats with those of other teams.
3) If draft evaluation is the goal, then all rounds should be included. If the rating of rookie acquistions is the goal, then UDFA's shoulds also be included. If rating player acquistiions is the goal, then all acquisitions should be measured.
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Evaluations and articles regarding the best and worst drafting team is done before every draft. Expect lots of articles in the month before the draft. Curiously the guesses of most everyone is that the patriots are among the top 5 drafting teams over the past 5 and 10 years. Obviously, the patriots also do very well with UDFA's. It should be noted that the 2009 draft (which it is way too early to evaluate) were B+ to A- right after the draft, and have moved up a notch since then.
My concern is the staff has been either UNWILLING or UNSUCCESSFUL at developement at certain positions.
RB-Decade of zero developement accentuated by premium draft choice bust
WR-Post Branch and Givens era (AKA..no SB era), limited attempts met with failure
DB-Post Assante era...the Jackson Pollack era...throw alot of paint at the canvas and see a splattered mess. Hobbs stuck to the canvas, but not to WRs. Wilhite has similar traits. Point being the startings corners in the playoff game were FAs.
LBs. BB started to toss back end picks at the position, few lasted through camp. First rounders are not considered developement projects.
Safety. Successful
DL. Beyond the 3 1sts, Pats have been successful filling out roster
OL. Same as DL, many hits with a nice bullpen
QB. Can't complain, but a couple years of only 2 QBs on roster means their misses have left them thin.
I ran a similar analysis two or three years ago, comparing Patriots draft performance to the league. The results then demonstrated that the Patriots performed significantly better than the league in the first round, well below league average in the second, and about average across the bottom.
Anyone that pulls out names like Brady and Givens to prove the Patriots' drafting ability in the later rounds needs to also then dredge up the leagues of players no longer around. Brady was obviously influenced by luck - if the Patriots had any idea of his potential, they would have drafted him in the first. Givens, as many recall, was a pick that the Patriots passed on a number of times before actually making the call.
And I'm surprised at all the negative feedback regarding the classification of Marquise Hill. Did he die 'trying to save the life of another' or out jet-skiing with another woman? And how does that impact his on-the-field results? Marquise Hill was a second round pick. In three seasons he had two total tackles and one assist. Seymour missed five games during that period - there were opportunities. Before passing away, the feeling on this board was that he would be released in training camp cuts. I hope this doesn't devolve into a who-can-type-loudest debate on Hill's performance, but it is indicative of some of the response.
Yes, this analysis is much more insightful when compared to league performance.
Based on comparing recent results to previous analysis, I'd guess that the Patriots are still probably better in the first than league average. No clear busts. Pats picks in the first are generally fairly safe. I would guess still worse than league average in the second. And probably about average after that.
However, the league has clear drop-offs in performance round by round. First round picks have a much higher rate of success than second round picks, and so forth.
If your strategy is to trade down year after year, you would need to perform quite a bit better than league average to be successful with that approach.
Compare that approach to the Jets' results, moving up to target players like Revis and Sanchez.