Official Pats/Bills Post Game Discussion

[TriplecHamp]

This win is kinda like the win the Giants had in Buffalo back in 07, big game for the Giants on the road, Big win for the Pats on the road without 3 big (pun Intended) pieces.

 

[DaBruinz]

Brady needs to spread the ball around on 3rd downs. 3 different occasions, he had Faulk WIDE open and went to Welker, only 1 of which was a completion.

Also, on the LeVoir penalty, it was pretty clear that LeVoir thought they were still going with a running play and that Brady had audibled out... the hole on that side was HUGE..

It's plainly clear to me that Brady does not trust O'Brien and is audibling out too often.. The huge difference between O'Brien and McDaniels is that McDaniels was the QB coach for 3(or was it 4) years prior to becoming the OC. O'Brien is in his 1st year as the QB Coach and is the defacto OC. I think the guy is in over his head. That being said, I don't see Weis being brought back. There are going to be plenty of HC jobs available at the end of the year. Washington, Buffalo, Carolina at a minimum. And possibly Jax, Chicago, Oakland, and Cleveland.

 

[SVN]

You're talking out of your ***. They really mixed up the playcalling today and had Welker run seams and Moss more drags and runs across the middle. Brady is the one who keeps forcing the throw into Welker who was double-teamed most of the time. That's how we lost our last few drives in the 2nd half.

i actually think they are trying too much to be too unpredictable.its good if you can pull it off and call the correct play at the correct time.like the colts game in the first half..they threw to moss next drive they threw to watson and then got welker involved.
but sometimes like the saints game when we were running the ball well ..we came out 5 wide/INT..all downhill.
Today was the same script. 3 RB's active against a bad buffalo Oline and we tried to be too unpredictable down the stretch.
We are in reverse. run to score and pass to finish whereas everyone else does the other way.

 

[DaBruinz]

yeah Pat...the thing is, I would have pulled him from the game after he flubber gumped the onside kick...THAT was truly pathetic and for someone with "hands" supposedly, totally unacceptable. It IS possible to work a running play without having Slater as a "blocker" and lining up Welker on the other side of the run.

Look, it's a small point, but it could have REALLY been a different story if Buffalo wasn't offside...Slater does NOTHING for me.

The onside kick was flubbed by AIKEN not Slater. Slater may not "do anything for you," but he's one of the best special teamers on the Pats. It may help if you learned which player was which number as well. Then you could truly evaluate them.

 

[DaBruinz]

Miami is not going away ...

Yes they are. They just lost.. Which I am glad for.. Just wish Fisher wasn't such a dope . He could have won the game in regulation..

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

We won, but this is not a championship team, go into the playoffs with a open mind and see what happens..

 

[SVN]

Brady needs to spread the ball around on 3rd downs. 3 different occasions, he had Faulk WIDE open and went to Welker, only 1 of which was a completion.

Also, on the LeVoir penalty, it was pretty clear that LeVoir thought they were still going with a running play and that Brady had audibled out... the hole on that side was HUGE..

It's plainly clear to me that Brady does not trust O'Brien and is audibling out too often.. The huge difference between O'Brien and McDaniels is that McDaniels was the QB coach for 3(or was it 4) years prior to becoming the OC. O'Brien is in his 1st year as the QB Coach and is the defacto OC. I think the guy is in over his head. That being said, I don't see Weis being brought back. There are going to be plenty of HC jobs available at the end of the year. Washington, Buffalo, Carolina at a minimum. And possibly Jax, Chicago, Oakland, and Cleveland.

i think bb would drill some sense into BOB if he felt that he is throwing the ball too much. Still one thing weis told about brady as suppose to bledsoe was that he did what he was asked to do.
Maybe brady can try that now when his own audibles dont work.He is greedy for the big play like the 04colts. we beat those teamsby playing patient defense knowing they thrive on big plays .Same thing with the pats now.

 

[Joker]

The onside kick was flubbed by AIKEN not Slater. Slater may not "do anything for you," but he's one of the best special teamers on the Pats. It may help if you learned which player was which number as well. Then you could truly evaluate them.

sorry DaB...I'm still flummoxed by the end of this game..yes, I mean Aiken

 

[patriotscpfc]

Typical. Moss, Welker and Brady don't do anything major wrong.

Hmm.

Let's blame Slater.

Moron.

We won, no-one was awful. We had a lot of injuries but the D stepped up in the end.

Bring on the Jags.

 

[peterforpats]

with the jets and dolphins both losing, does anyone know how the tiebeaker works (assuming we dont win another game?)

 

[JoeShmoe]

Brady needs to spread the ball around on 3rd downs. 3 different occasions, he had Faulk WIDE open and went to Welker, only 1 of which was a completion.

It was actually more than that as Edelman was wide open twice as well

im sure he audibled out of at least 2 run plays

A good team lke NO is jus going to double Moss and Welker and dare Brady to throw elsewhere which looks really hard for him right now. He's GOT to start using Watson/Baker

 

[bostonia3333]

ugly win, predicted it to be 17-13, I'm relieved with the result

OBrien is frighteningly getting worse when you think the only way things could go is up

The pass rush won this game today. Without it, no question this is a double digit loss. You could see the rare(i mean rare) times Fitzpatrick had time, he was finding open receivers with relative ease in our porous secondary.

Go away with the 4 point stance! that's the way we generate pressure on qbs

Dolphins lose! YAY!

 

[Betterthanmost]

Have we clinch playoffs? I am looking at the standings and looks like every thing is in our favor. What am I missing?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Brady needs to spread the ball around on 3rd downs. 3 different occasions, he had Faulk WIDE open and went to Welker, only 1 of which was a completion.

Also, on the LeVoir penalty, it was pretty clear that LeVoir thought they were still going with a running play and that Brady had audibled out... the hole on that side was HUGE..

It's plainly clear to me that Brady does not trust O'Brien and is audibling out too often.. The huge difference between O'Brien and McDaniels is that McDaniels was the QB coach for 3(or was it 4) years prior to becoming the OC. O'Brien is in his 1st year as the QB Coach and is the defacto OC. I think the guy is in over his head. That being said, I don't see Weis being brought back. There are going to be plenty of HC jobs available at the end of the year. Washington, Buffalo, Carolina at a minimum. And possibly Jax, Chicago, Oakland, and Cleveland.

Spot on.

I watched Brady stare at Wes on that last 3rd down all the way from before the snap. Good thing Buffalo was asleep and the clear out pattern worked. Brady is having issues with the offense. Some of it is on him but it's flawed. He may have been hinting at this when he remarked postgame that "sometimes we're (the offense) too one dimensional". I'd agree with that sentiment.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Have we clinch playoffs? I am looking at the standings and looks like every thing is in our favor. What am I missing?

You're missing one more W by the Pats. Were we to lose 2 and Miami win out, they own the tie breakers.

 

[Gwedd]

You're missing one more W by the Pats. Were we to lose 2 and Miami win out, they own the tie breakers.

I still believe we win out and get the 2nd seed. I know folks are quick to doubt and like to see the glass half empty, but I believe, and there's no good reason not to.

We were missing big chunks of thye starting, lineup today and still won. Buffalo, despite all it's problems, is rarely an easy win for us. Neither are the Dolphins or Jets. because we see them all twice a year. Every year. It'd ALWAYS a dogfight in the AFC East, even though NE seems to be the top dog at the start of each year.

I don't care about how many points the Patriots rack up, or who scores or what the stats are. The only stat I am interested in seeing is the W/L column. As long as this team wins, that all I care about.

But yeah... I do believe we win out and at the very least get to the AFCC game. Honestly, I expect to see this Patriots team playing in the Superbowl.

Respects,

 

[carolinatony]

The game was not on TV here. I just checked and ZERO catch's for our TE's?
thoughts?

 

[Leave No Doubt]

Spot on. Brady is having issues with the offense. Some of it is on him but it's flawed. He may have been hinting at this when he remarked postgame that "sometimes we're (the offense) too one dimensional". I'd agree with that sentiment.

Agreed, good post and DaB's as well. Something's up that's for sure and while Brady (among others) gets a piece (and I think Brady's hurting more than he lets on) there's a larger disconnect, beyond the players' execution or injury status.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Have we clinch playoffs? I am looking at the standings and looks like every thing is in our favor. What am I missing?

It looks like we don't have to worry about Baltimore because we beat them head to head, BUT if we finish in a 3 way tie with Baltimore/Denver, then we'd all be 1-1 head to head with each other so it would go to conference record. And there is a chance both of them could finish with better conference records and get the wild card spots over us. That's why nothing is clinched yet.

 

[jays52]

A win is a win, bottom line. I think that the offense is struggling mightily, and that lies solely on O'Brien. The plays are generic, lack creativity, and fundamentally revolve around three concepts. There's the directional run (which, thank God, has been a vast improvement over the zone stuff from earlier in the year), the deep ball, and the Welker Play. The Welker Play is either a pick route, or a defensive decision forcer like the curl and go on that critical third down. Sure, there are various permutations of all of these, but defensive football is about defending a concept not a specific play. Their concepts are easily read, and this is a large reason behind the lack of late game offense. It is imperative that they become more creative should they make the playoffs.

Defensively, I have been taking hits on my belief that it's the best since '04, but they are showing their colors when they execute. I'm seeing less of that insipid cover four, the safety play is improving with Sanders playing at his highest level, and they demonstrated the ability to correct the run game issues on the fly. They have been getting negative plays when they need to, and have greatly shored up their cohesion in the scondary. They're not going to be smothering this year, but they can at least get off of the field when it counts.

If the offense pulls it's head out of it's arse, the team will be legit.