Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maroney

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

He is the starting RB on this team due to lack of depth - Prior to injury, Taylor and Morris were riding the opening carries,Morris was the featured back until he was injured against Tenn..

Do you really think Maroney would retain the starting position if Taylor were not injured?

According to the game books, Maroney has started 4 of the 7 games so far. He's also had the most carries out of the RBs in 4 of 7 games. Feel free to debate the relevance of that term all you want, but saying that he's only starting because of injuries is pretty dumb.

 

[unoriginal]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Also, I just ran the numbers for so far in 2009, and I haven't checked them yet so take them with a grain of salt if you want, but this is what I came up with:

PERCENTAGE OF CARRIES FOR A GAIN, BY RB:
Taylor: 95.5%
Maroney: 88.5%
Morris: 76.6%
BJGE: 73.3%

Small sample size, so I dunno if it's even particularly relevant, but someone else brought it up, so might as well give the actual numbers I guess.

Good stuff as usual. I know about two games ago Football Outsiders had our offensive line at a 25% stuffed stat, which was 28th in the NFL, so we've shot up some.

 

[Xplicit]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Maroney doesnt "get it" and he's never going to "get it". Taylor and Morris cant come back soon enough.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

According to the game books, Maroney has started 4 of the 7 games so far. He's also had the most carries out of the RBs in 4 of 7 games. Feel free to debate the relevance of that term all you want, but saying that he's only starting because of injuries is pretty dumb.

Prior to his injury Taylor had 45 carries to Maroney's 27 - I call your statement BS - show me this 'game book' to prove you are right and not making this up

 

[patsfan-1982]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

No, what I think is pretty sad is your need to insult Maroney at every possible turn, given that he's the starting running back for the team you claim to be a fan of, he's been a productive runner when healthy, and he's not had any notable off-the-field trouble.

Frankly, I find that repugnant.

i have to agree he has never had any off the field stuff

and when they give him more then 10 att a game he dose a good job

i mean since Curtis Martin left 12 year's ago the pats have only had 3......... 1000 yerd season from a RB

1998 Robert Edwards 1115 yerd's

2001 Antowain Smith 1157 yerd's

2004 Corey Dillon 1635 yerd's

its not like maroney is takeing away all the att from Adrian Peterson

maroney is the most talented RB on this team and the pat's only run the ball 20 time's a game so no RB will put up pro bowl number's

 

[Rhodey]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Most Pats fans anticipated a guy who could/would run the ball for a 1,000; stay healthy so that the running game would be in tact when the needed it most. It seems that Maroney will have a couple of decent games in a row; get hurt; come back; do nothing; have a decent game; get hurt....

The bottom line is that the Pats been unable to establish a solid running game with this pick. Hence the free agent signings.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

That's a myth in your mind that BB is generally stingy with praise. Belichick gives amazing praise to his own players, and those on other teams. What he just said about Maroney, isn't that type of praise, and also isn't saying much. It certainly isn't "glowing".

I'm encouraged by Maroney's running against winless teams the past two weeks, but I'm still not sure if anyone would feel comfortable resigning him after this season to a starter's salary figure.

I agree with your assessment. The good thing is that it's extremely important for Maroney to perform well this year....at least if he wants to continue in this league with or without the Patriots.

If he's not motivated now....let him go.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Most Pats fans anticipated a guy who could/would run the ball for a 1,000; stay healthy so that the running game would be in tact when the needed it most. It seems that Maroney will have a couple of decent games in a row; get hurt; come back; do nothing; have a decent game; get hurt....

The bottom line is that the Pats been unable to establish a solid running game with this pick. Hence the free agent signings.

There is only one problem with your theory. The free agents were coming in PRIOR to the Maroney Pick. As for your assessment, WOW, you don't follow Pats games, do you? Go back to 2007. Maroney was very good at the end of the season, including the play-offs, until the O-line broke down in the SB.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

He is the starting RB on this team due to lack of depth - Prior to injury, Taylor and Morris were riding the opening carries,Morris was the featured back until he was injured against Tenn..

Morris was the "feature back" for ONE GAME. Denver.

Taylor was the "feature back" for ONE GAME. Atlanta.

Prior to that, there wasn't a "feature" back. But it should be noted that Morris go NO carries in game one, and only TWO carries in game two.

Do you really think Maroney would retain the starting position if Taylor were not injured?

So, your basing your analysis on the fact that Maroney started 2 games, Taylor started 2 games and Morris started 1...Hmm.. Could it be that BB was just rotating his RBs? Especially since Morris say 2 carries in the first two games?

Taylor was going to be THE MAN to carry the load had he stayed away from the injury bug...take away your best back and leave you with 2nd and 3rd...take away Morris and who else is there left? -

Taylor was in a rotation with 3 other backs. You can delude yourself into thinking you know he was going to be "the man" based on ONE game, but the reality is that you haven't got a clue. Just like the rest of us.. And your educated guess is far from educated..

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

That's a myth in your mind that BB is generally stingy with praise. Belichick gives amazing praise to his own players, and those on other teams. What he just said about Maroney, isn't that type of praise, and also isn't saying much. It certainly isn't "glowing".

I'm encouraged by Maroney's running against winless teams the past two weeks, but I'm still not sure if anyone would feel comfortable resigning him after this season to a starter's salary figure.

Yet, you've not provided ONE example of BB giving GLOWING remarks during the season. The most he's says is "So and so played a good game" and he generally tempers it with a statement such as "There are still things so and so can do better."

What do you consider "starting RB" money? Half the starting RBs in the league are on their rookie contracts.. So they aren't making all that much to begin with. If Maroney was re-signed for a modest increase, say a 4 year deal worth 10-12 million total, I'd be fine with that.

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I agree with your assessment. The good thing is that it's extremely important for Maroney to perform well this year....at least if he wants to continue in this league with or without the Patriots.

If he's not motivated now....let him go.

Where do you get this idea that Maroney's not motivated? Because some media pundit said so? Michael Felger has said plenty of garbage about Maroney and its all been false. Such as that Maroney doesn't like contact. He and other detractors mention the 49er game last year. What they fail to acknowledge is that Maroney was trying to play with a broken shoulder and on ONE play, he danced around a hit.. So the uneducated jump on that as PROOF that Maroney doesn't like contact. Its pure fiction, though.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

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Morris was the "feature back" for ONE GAME. Denver.

Taylor was the "feature back" for ONE GAME. Atlanta.

Prior to that, there wasn't a "feature" back. But it should be noted that Morris go NO carries in game one, and only TWO carries in game two.




So, your basing your analysis on the fact that Maroney started 2 games, Taylor started 2 games and Morris started 1...Hmm.. Could it be that BB was just rotating his RBs? Especially since Morris say 2 carries in the first two games?



Taylor was in a rotation with 3 other backs. You can delude yourself into thinking you know he was going to be "the man" based on ONE game, but the reality is that you haven't got a clue. Just like the rest of us.. And your educated guess is far from educated..

Taylor had nearly double the carries to Maroney before he got injured and at the time of injury he was really starting to show his old stuff .

If you think the backs would rotate other than to keep Fred fresh your dumber than I think - As long as Fred would have kept up the 4.7 YPC he was starting and playing majority of the snaps with a some rotation mixed in but Fred was going to start as long as he kept positive play - If Maroney was so good there would be little hesitation to start him in all 7 games over a healthy RB roster.

 

[Fencer]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

There is only one problem with your theory. The free agents were coming in PRIOR to the Maroney Pick.

Lamont Jordan and Fred Taylor say Hi.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Prior to his injury Taylor had 45 carries to Maroney's 27 - I call your statement BS - show me this 'game book' to prove you are right and not making this up

Yeah, because they aren't clearly made availabe on the Patriots' website or anything . But sure, what the hell. Prepare to eat crow:

Bucs:
Gamebook: Patriots at Buccaneers

Titans:
Gamebook: Patriots vs. Titans

Broncos:
Gamebook: Patriots at Broncos

Ravens:
Gamebook: Patriots vs. Ravens

Falcons:
Gamebook: Patriots vs. Falcons

Jets:
Gamebook: Patriots at Jets

Bills:
Gamebook: Patriots vs. Bills

(FYI, all of these statistics that I compile re: the Pats that I post here, all of the data comes from these game books). Each one lists the starting lineup, and Maroney starts four games.

Anything else that you want to 'call' me on, or have you finally figured out that everyone else doesn't just randomly make stuff up like you do? Pretty much across the board, the Maroney 'supporters' use facts to support their arguments, while the Maroney basher "know what they see", and are basically just perfect examples of confirmation bias in action.

And once again, since you seem to have completely overlooked this point:
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PERCENTAGE OF CARRIES FOR A GAIN, BY RB:
Taylor: 95.5%
Maroney: 88.5%
Morris: 76.6%
BJGE: 73.3%

Small sample size, so I dunno if it's even particularly relevant, but someone else brought it up, so might as well give the actual numbers I guess. If you guys want, I'll keep a running update of this throughout the season, simply in hopes that it will finally shut down this stupid misconception.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Yeah, because they aren't clearly made availabe on the Patriots' website or anything . But sure, what the hell. Prepare to eat crow:

Bucs:
Gamebook: Patriots at Buccaneers

Titans:
Gamebook: Patriots vs. Titans

Broncos:
Gamebook: Patriots at Broncos

Ravens:
Gamebook: Patriots vs. Ravens

Falcons:
Gamebook: Patriots vs. Falcons

Jets:
Gamebook: Patriots at Jets

Bills:
Gamebook: Patriots vs. Bills

(FYI, all of these statistics that I compile re: the Pats that I post here, all of the data comes from these game books). Each one lists the starting lineup, and Maroney starts four games.

Anything else that you want to 'call' me on, or have you finally figured out that everyone else doesn't just randomly make stuff up like you do? Pretty much across the board, the Maroney 'supporters' use facts to support their arguments, while the Maroney basher "know what they see", and are basically just perfect examples of confirmation bias in action.

And once again, since you seem to have completely overlooked this point:
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PERCENTAGE OF CARRIES FOR A GAIN, BY RB:
Taylor: 95.5%
Maroney: 88.5%
Morris: 76.6%
BJGE: 73.3%

Small sample size, so I dunno if it's even particularly relevant, but someone else brought it up, so might as well give the actual numbers I guess. If you guys want, I'll keep a running update of this throughout the season, simply in hopes that it will finally shut down this stupid misconception.

I don't aim to impress people on the internet,especially strangers,so kudos for proving your point and give yourself a pat on the back - HOWEVER Maroney started against Atlanta and was so good that BB decided to go with Taylor who comes in shortly and carries 21 times to Maroney's 4 against a very suspect Falcons run defense - What does that tell you?,Belichick will go with the HOT player and until week 5 that HOT RB was Taylor,When Maroney DID start it was not for long..Taylor's dominant carries over the other 4 RBs tell you who BB thought was best for his team behind Brady throughout the game.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Taylor had nearly double the carries to Maroney before he got injured and at the time of injury he was really starting to show his old stuff .

If you think the backs would rotate other than to keep Fred fresh your dumber than I think - As long as Fred would have kept up the 4.7 YPC he was starting and playing majority of the snaps with a some rotation mixed in but Fred was going to start as long as he kept positive play - If Maroney was so good there would be little hesitation to start him in all 7 games over a healthy RB roster.

Sorry to ruin your day, but Taylor had 45 carries when he got injured and Maroney had 32. That's not "nearly double."

BTW, if Maroney was as bad as you claim, the Pats would have cut him the way that they cut Jackson and O'Connell. You just aren't willing to admit that Maroney is a good, though not great, RB.

BTW, something to think about.

Joseph Addai has gotten worse each of his year's in the league in regards to his YPC. He's also 2 years older than Maroney and played 5 years in college compared to only 3 for Maroney.

LenDale White was so "great" that the Titans spent a 2nd round pick on Chris Henry and a 1st round pick on Chris Johnson in consecutive years after drafting White. BTW, White's career average is 3.8

DeAngelo Williams, prior to last year, was considered a bust by many people. Even though he's averaging 5 YPC.

 

[jays52]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

So Maroney started against Atlanta and was putrid so Taylor comes in shortly and carries 21 times to Maroney's 4 - What does that tell you?

In short? That Taylor is a hall of fame runningback and should be utilized whenever possible. Arguing with BradyFTW about this stuff is like challenging Miyamoto Musashi to a swordfight.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Sorry to ruin your day, but Taylor had 45 carries when he got injured and Maroney had 32. That's not "nearly double."

BTW, if Maroney was as bad as you claim, the Pats would have cut him the way that they cut Jackson and O'Connell. You just aren't willing to admit that Maroney is a good, though not great, RB.

BTW, something to think about.

Joseph Addai has gotten worse each of his year's in the league in regards to his YPC. He's also 2 years older than Maroney and played 5 years in college compared to only 3 for Maroney.

LenDale White was so "great" that the Titans spent a 2nd round pick on Chris Henry and a 1st round pick on Chris Johnson in consecutive years after drafting White. BTW, White's career average is 3.8

DeAngelo Williams, prior to last year, was considered a bust by many people. Even though he's averaging 5 YPC.

The Addai argument is extra fun given who the Colts drafted in the first round this season.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Sorry to ruin your day, but Taylor had 45 carries when he got injured and Maroney had 32. That's not "nearly double."

BTW, if Maroney was as bad as you claim, the Pats would have cut him the way that they cut Jackson and O'Connell. You just aren't willing to admit that Maroney is a good, though not great, RB.

BTW, something to think about.

Joseph Addai has gotten worse each of his year's in the league in regards to his YPC. He's also 2 years older than Maroney and played 5 years in college compared to only 3 for Maroney.

LenDale White was so "great" that the Titans spent a 2nd round pick on Chris Henry and a 1st round pick on Chris Johnson in consecutive years after drafting White. BTW, White's career average is 3.8

DeAngelo Williams, prior to last year, was considered a bust by many people. Even though he's averaging 5 YPC.

Actually I would have loved to have had Maurice Jones Drew that year over every other RB,Would he have been as good as he is on this team? - will never know but probably would have produced MUCH more here than Maroney will likely ever accomplish.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

I don't aim to impress people on the internet,especially strangers,so kudos for proving your point and give yourself a pat on the back - HOWEVER Maroney started against Atlanta and was so good that BB decided to go with Taylor who comes in shortly and carries 21 times to Maroney's 4 against a very suspect Falcons run defense - What does that tell you?,Belichick will go with the HOT player and until week 5 that HOT RB was Taylor,When Maroney DID start it was not for long..Taylor's dominant carries over the other 4 RBs tell you who BB thought was best for his team behind Brady throughout the game.

In 4 of 7 games, Maroney started. In 4 of 7 games, he had the most carries. Just like there were games where Maroney started and didn't end up with the most carries, there were also games that he didn't start where he did end up with the most. That's kinda how a RB rotation works. Of course, I already said that, but I guess your reading comprehension truly sucks, so I have to say it again.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

In 4 of 7 games, Maroney started. In 4 of 7 games, he had the most carries. Just like there were games where Maroney started and didn't end up with the most carries, there were also games that he didn't start where he did end up with the most. That's kinda how a RB rotation works. Of course, I already said that, but I guess your reading comprehension truly sucks, so I have to say it again.

Obviously your memory sucks because if Taylor has not played in the last 2 games how would he have NEARLY as many carries as Maroney so how does this 4 in 7 games leading in carries mean sh!t when Taylor sat 2 games already?

Duh,no play on the field and injured means no carries for Fred...are you really that dumb? - Taylor has 45 carries and Maroney has 61...but Taylor missed the last 2 games.....did you expect him to carry the ball from his couch?


Taylor would probably be at somewhere about 75-80 touches by now if healthy and Maroney obviously in the 50s or less