Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maroney

[Kontradiction]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

This came out of nowhere. It's pretty pathetic that you're resorting to ad hominem, a sad sign that you have nothing of substance to argue against the topic at hand.

It's also amusing that people like you still think the last drive in that Superbowl was great - need 40 yards for a tying FG, have all 3 timeouts, and piss the game away on four straight deep bombs.

I've argued everything of substance. I've argued my old stance that the run blocking has sucked and none of our running backs have been able to run through it on a consistent basis (not even the great Fred Taylor). I've also pointed out that the head coach seems to agree with me. You have yet to argue anything of substance. But don't let that stop your rant. As for my point that you blame Josh McDaniels for the loss, it's just to remind me of who I am talking to.

Yes, blame the old offensive coordinator (who is also 6-0 and has his team at the top of the AFC currently) for the loss, and not the loss of Stephen Neal which allowed the Giants to gain pressure up the middle and took away Brady's ability to step forward in the pocket. Blame McDaniels for "calling three straight deep bombs" and not Brady for trying to look for something underneath first. Yes, that's all Josh McDaniels fault. Blame McDaniels for the loss and not the defense who gave up the game winning touchdown. There's plenty of blame to go around for that one. Putting that loss squarely on McDaniels is simply ******ed.

And that's about as much as I'll go into that. Now I'm waiting for you to show me proof that the offensive line has been opening up huge holes and that Maroney is just not running through them. Again, the O-Line was my point and I feel that I've stated it well. Now I'm waiting for you to refute it with evidence that the holes have been there and it's been Maroney's dancing that has killed the running game moreso than that. But I have a feeling you won't. Instead, you'll just claim that I haven't made any points rofl and will probably punt to McDaniels again and turn a simple sidebar into the actual debate in order to get away from the point of the thread.

Let me know when you want to take a stab at refuting my points out the O-Line...

 

[tobias funke]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Whenever anyone posts the phrase 'ad hominem' in a thread is when I stop reading it.

It's all downhill from there.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Whenever anyone posts the phrase 'ad hominem' in a thread is when I stop reading it.

It's all downhill from there.

Eh, I don't mind it. Maverick posts a lot in the Political forum, a place where that phrase is beaten into the ground. So I know where he got it from.

 

[maverick4]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Now I'm waiting for you to show me proof that the offensive line has been opening up huge holes and that Maroney is just not running through them. Again, the O-Line was my point and I feel that I've stated it well. Now I'm waiting for you to refute it with evidence that the holes have been there and it's been Maroney's dancing that has killed the running game moreso than that. .

You just gave a pretty pathetic attempt at derailing the discussion at hand, by bringing up McDaniels twice now. It came out of nowhere, and there's no point continuing this since you clearly think McDaniels didn't have anything to do with the 2007 loss just as you'd claim Mike Martz didn't have a huge influence in his 2001 loss (in your mind).

I already presented my case for Maroney. I didn't mention dancing once, YOU did. Maroney isn't the right kind of running back for this team. We don't need a back who can only succeed with huge holes created for him. We need an Antowain Smith type back who can get us 3.5 yards with high consistency, to convert 1st downs. We had/have two of these type of backs in Fred Taylor and Sammy Morris.


You can keep screaming about how good Maroney is, but at the end of the day nobody will hear a peep from you when it comes time to re-sign Maroney for RB starter-type salary at the end of the year.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

I wasn't talking about you. And I haven't misinterpreted what BB said either.

“Well, every player can improve, but Laurence has done a pretty good job running the ball for us,” Belichick said. “I really don’t have a lot of problems with Laurence. What I’d like to see is for us to open bigger holes to create some space for these guys and allow them to run.

...sounds like praise to me. But don't let what the head coach says get in the way of your predetermined conceptions about Maroney. I should remember that I'm talking to the guy that actually blamed Josh McDaniels for the Super Bowl loss.

Don't mind Maverick4. There's not been a Belichick statement that he can't spin into a negative.

BB confirmed what I've been saying about Maroney for the past 3 years. Will I let it go to my head? Nope. Just means that for one player in one certain aspect, I've learned to break down and understand what I'm seeing on the film.

 

[maverick4]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

There's not been a Belichick statement that he can't spin into a negative.

This makes no sense since I posted twice earlier in this thread that Belichick has previously given absolutely glowing, effusive praise to other players on his own team and other teams. Trying to spin Belichick's comments on Maroney as 'glowing', as some here keep trying to do, is just silly to watch, especially given the extent to which he'll praise other players.

 

[moosekill]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Don't mind Maverick4. There's not been a Belichick statement that he can't spin into a negative.

BB confirmed what I've been saying about Maroney for the past 3 years. Will I let it go to my head? Nope. Just means that for one player in one certain aspect, I've learned to break down and understand what I'm seeing on the film.

Sorry, but whether or not Maroney is doing well this year, or has done much better over the last couple games, which I think he has, that wasn't a real ringing endorsement from BB. It was what you would expect from a good coach.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Sorry, but whether or not Maroney is doing well this year, or has done much better over the last couple games, which I think he has, that wasn't a real ringing endorsement from BB. It was what you would expect from a good coach.

Considering how limited Bill is in saying anything about players during the season, it was as close to a "ringing endorsement" as you are ever going to get.

I've not touted Maroney as the next coming or anything of the sort. I've stated that he's a good, but not great, cut back runner who can run with power. Which is different than saying that Maroney is a power runner who can make cut backs when he needs to.

I've also stated that the O-line has not blocked consistently for him when he's gotten the ball. And they haven't. And its been that way for three years. The only time they were consistent was towards the end of last season. But then, they were playing junk teams like the Raiders, so even when they weren't consistent, it looked like they were.

 

[maverick4]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Considering how limited Bill is in saying anything about players during the season, it was as close to a "ringing endorsement" as you are ever going to get.
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Completely FALSE. Belichick, on multiple occasions, has given ridiculously glowing, effusive praise for guys on his own team and on other teams. That was not the case here.

 

[apple strudel]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

I just don't understand what's so hard for people to understand about Maroney - he's a cutback runner who's explosive in space and just OK moving the pile. We have a line that doesn't create great holes and, like in the Tampa game, when they do they tend to get filled up quick with a defender so Maroney then just follows his blockers - generally the big pile of offensive linemen. He's a pretty good player, he just doesn't grind it out like people want. But in a way he's not asked to grind it out because 1) we have a brilliant passing offense, and 2) we haven't asked any back to grind it out since Dillon. Why do that when most backs are just going to get beat up?

Edit - It's more psychology than anything. People develop unrealistic expectations, and then attack the object of those expectations rather than themselves for harboring such unrealistic expectations in the first place.

 

[DW Toys]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

I don't think Belichick just gave "glowing" praise about Maroney. He has certainly been effusive with praise with other players, on his own team and on other teams.

Belichick said what many here agree with: Maroney is best when there is a huge hole created for him, which plays to his strength (speed). Unfortunately, people here can argue about the need for a home run back on this team, when in our offense a routine medium pass can get just as many yards.

"Not really" is not a glowing support on LM and if he was frustrated with LM or not.
DW Toys

 

[maverick4]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

"Not really" is not a glowing support on LM and if he was frustrated with LM or not.
DW Toys

I agree.

Regardless of arguing back and forth how 'glowing' Belichick's words were...

... do ANY of the strong Maroney supporters think he should be re-signed at starter-level money, when his contract is up in the near future??????





... are those crickets I hear chirping?

 

[moosekill]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Completely FALSE. Belichick, on multiple occasions, has given ridiculously glowing, effusive praise for guys on his own team and on other teams. That was not the case here.

I agree, whats he going to say, boy Maroney sucks? Or boy we would be undefeated if Maroney didn't dance around behind the line? I have never heard him say anything like that, even when he is about to cut a player. He might rip a group, like say the offensive line, or special teams, but never a single player.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Belichick never throws his players under the bus ... he just doesn't.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

For BB, that is glowing praise (no matter if it comes to Maroney or Moss). He basically said that Maroney can improve, but his hard time is hardly due to him "dancing" all the time.

LIKE WE'VE BEEN SAYING ALL SEASON HERE, some of us. Thank you, BB.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Given the topic, here's what's most topical from Chris' column:

With no Taylor and no Morris, were you trying to get a little more creative in the running game with the reverses?
No. I think what happened in the game was that they played us a lot of eight-man front. They dropped Piscatelli down in the box a lot and they were chasing hard off the backside. They gave us some problems coming from the backside sometimes. We started with a reverse, and ran another one fairly early and thought that that would slow them down a little bit, and we also tried to play-action them a little bit to try and take advantage of their aggressiveness in the running game. So on a lot of those runs, they kind of had one more guy than we had blockers. There wasn’t a whole lot of room to run, to be honest with you, and we felt like the reverses and the play-actions would be able to take advantage of their aggressiveness in the running game, and we got something out of the reverses and we hit some play-actions. We could have probably hit a few more play-actions. But we didn’t. That was kind of the idea. It wasn’t more to take it off the running backs, as it was to try and slow down the pursuit. And they were coming hard off the backside.

It Is What It Is Highlights from Bill Belichick on The Big Show, 10/27

But maybe Bill is lying..........

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Did any of you think BB was going to say..."No Maroney is not really all that good but as for now he is at the top of a very weak depth chart"

When was the last time Belichick said a guy stinks on this team?..He never said anything bad about the worst acquisition in BBs time here which was Duane 'burnt for a TD again' Starks so why would he change all of a sudden and be honest with mediots whether he really means it or not,have some of you forgotten how secretive he really is with just about everything he thinks and does on the team?

I can bet anyone here that if or when Taylor and/or Morris returns Maroney WILL spend much more time on the pine than he is now,Its a lack of depth that is keeping him in the limelight right now,not because he is the best of the normal RB roster from Sept. 1.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Belichick never throws his players under the bus ... he just doesn't.

IMO BB was throwing out the company line and refusing to single out a particular player as weakness or an underperformer. Maybe he knows the heat LoMo gets and was trying to take a little bit of it of the kid. Besides that, he sure as hell isn't going to trash his starting RB week in mid-season. Especially on WEEI.

Quite frankly, I thought his comments regarding Brandon Tate were more glowing.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

I agree.

Regardless of arguing back and forth how 'glowing' Belichick's words were...

... do ANY of the strong Maroney supporters think he should be re-signed at starter-level money, when his contract is up this year??????





... are those crickets I hear chirping?

No. I think that money should go to upgrading some aspects of the O-Line. Ask Adrian Peterson what happened when his O-Line couldn't block the Steelers this past weekend.

As for what BB would have and wouldn't have said, that is the biggest copout I have heard. We all know damn well that if BB was disappointed with Maroney, he would have just said that Maroney needed to improve some aspects of his game and would have made no mention about the offensive line.

Really weak point on that one.

 

[moosekill]

Re: Bill Belichick joins The Big Show and offers a strong defense of RB Laurence Maro

Given the topic, here's what's most topical from Chris' column:



It Is What It Is Highlights from Bill Belichick on The Big Show, 10/27

But maybe Bill is lying..........

There is a difference between defending how well he did, and "glowing support" which some here are claiming BB did.