OT: Jets' Leon Washington carted off the field [mergedx2]

[Synovia]

As a NUMBER ONE DRAFT PICK you are held to a higher scale of EXPECTATIONS.
You are ignorant to the fact that Maroney is a BUST for a 1st ROUND PICK.

When Maroney was drafted is absolutely irrelevant when talking about whether or not hes good. Is Watson a bust? Meriweather? Both are first round picks who've never made the probowl.

 

[Kontradiction]

As a NUMBER ONE DRAFT PICK you are held to a higher scale of EXPECTATIONS.
You are ignorant to the fact that Maroney is a BUST for a 1st ROUND PICK.

Let us compare him to "Lawfirm" brilliant.


Number Ones Need TO PErform.

Brandon Meriweather HAS BLOSSOMED this year.

MARONEY is a BB pick that has never surfaced to be a solid consistent RUNNING BACK. Our MISS I am sorry you can't see that yet.

Why not compare him to Lawfirm? Lawfirm fanboys have had no problem with doing it (including yourself) doing so suits your cause. Earlier in the year, there was a huge thread on whether or not Lawfirm should start over Maroney and there were plenty of comparisons between the two. But now, when the comparison does not suit your argument, it's invalid because of where they were drafted? Sorry. I'm not buyin' it.

 

[HarkDawg]

As a NUMBER ONE DRAFT PICK you are held to a higher scale of EXPECTATIONS.
You are ignorant to the fact that Maroney is a BUST for a 1st ROUND PICK.

Let us compare him to "Lawfirm" brilliant.


Number Ones Need TO PErform.

Brandon Meriweather HAS BLOSSOMED this year.

MARONEY is a BB pick that has never surfaced to be a solid consistent RUNNING BACK. Our MISS I am sorry you can't see that yet.

Full Quote that this guy ignores...... clearly give Credit to BM

 

[Kontradiction]

Full Quote that this guy ignores...... clearly give Credit to BM

Why are you bringing up BM when the argument is clearly on the running backs? BM has absolutely nothing to do with it. For one, BM does not need good run blocking in front of him to intercept the ball. Both Lawfirm and Maroney do, regardless of their draft position.

 

[HarkDawg]

LawFirm has no hands..... that is his problem. You cannot use the guy as an adequate catch and run guy b/c he will drop it.


I am more involved at Maroney being a BUST for a 1st ROUNDER than Lawfirm being more successful than Maroney.

 

[Kontradiction]

LawFirm has no hands..... that is his problem. You cannot use the guy as an adequate catch and run guy b/c he will drop it.


I am more involved at Maroney being a BUST for a 1st ROUNDER than Lawfirm being more successful than Maroney.

Then Lawfirm must REALLY suck because he can't catch and constantly gets stopped for losses. Can't really say that I'm shocked that you haven't caught my drift yet.

 

[HarkDawg]

The argument is about FIRST ROUNDERS and ability TO PERFORM on a CONSISTENT BASIS. NOT running backs.

 

[Synovia]

LawFirm has no hands..... that is his problem. You cannot use the guy as an adequate catch and run guy b/c he will drop it.

He has no hands. He's not elusive, and he has no power. The only thing he does well is run through giant gaping holes.

I am more involved at Maroney being a BUST for a 1st ROUNDER than Lawfirm being more successful than Maroney.

LawFirm is not, in any definition more successful than Maroney. None.

Maroney has always performed well on the field. His issue is he keeps getting hurt. No, you don't want a first rounder to miss 18 games in his first 3 years as a pro, but thats got nothing to do with being successful.

What round Maroney was drafted in stopped being relevant after training camp of 2006.

 

[Synovia]

The argument is about FIRST ROUNDERS and ability TO PERFORM on a CONSISTENT BASIS. NOT running backs.

He's got a 4.3 YPC average for his career. He gets tackled for a loss significantly less than the NFL average for running backs. He succeeds more often than the NFL average for running backs. He has performed on a consistent basis.

WHat he hasn't done is stay healthy.

 

[Kontradiction]

The argument is about FIRST ROUNDERS and ability TO PERFORM on a CONSISTENT BASIS. NOT running backs.

No it isn't. That's just what you're trying to twist it into and that's a tremendous copout. The argument is on our running backs to perform and why they aren't. You see, people like you throw Maroney under the bus when the fact of the matter is that the run blocking sucks. But when Lawfirm does the same thing, you actually acknowledge the run blocking. That isn't the case when the exact same thing happens to Maroney. It's about pointing out hypocracy. But because you don't want to face that, you come up with the copout that Maroney is a first rounder and Lawfirm is not.

Please explain how being a first rounder means that Maroney is supposed to bull through three defensive lineman... all of whom are twice his size. This should be great...

 

[HarkDawg]

He has no hands. He's not elusive, and he has no power. The only thing he does well is run through giant gaping holes.

LawFirm is not, in any definition more successful than Maroney. None.

Maroney has always performed well on the field. His issue is he keeps getting hurt. No, you don't want a first rounder to miss 18 games in his first 3 years as a pro, but thats got nothing to do with being successful.

What round Maroney was drafted in stopped being relevant after training camp of 2006.

1.Never said Lawfirm was. i just wanted him to get a chance.


2. I disagree, First round picks are suppose to be impact players and Maroney is not and never will be. First Rounders are an organization's greatest asset during the draft because you can trade it, get somebody valuable etc..... Maroney's impact has doomed the success of that draft and this organization for its running game.






Let us see how knoshawn Moreno and Brown end up in a few years..... I bet they will be MUCH Greater than Maroney as all around RUNNERS.

 

[HarkDawg]

No it isn't. That's just what you're trying to twist it into and that's a tremendous copout. The argument is on our running backs to perform and why they aren't. You see, people like you throw Maroney under the bus when the fact of the matter is that the run blocking sucks. But when Lawfirm does the same thing, you actually acknowledge the run blocking. That isn't the case when the exact same thing happens to Maroney. It's about pointing out hypocracy. But because you don't want to face that, you come up with the copout that Maroney is a first rounder and Lawfirm is not.

Please explain how being a first rounder means that Maroney is supposed to bull through three defensive lineman... all of whom are twice his size. This should be great...

you are twisting it. NOT ME. My first Statement criticized Maroney as a R1 pick.

 

[HarkDawg]

Lawfirm was never a ROUND 1 Draft Pick.

in a prior post you criticized Lawfirm and I responded with this.





man I have schoolwork to do.... I'll see you around. You twisted this argument to RB's when I intended to stress the significance of a 1st rounder.



EDIT- THis comment apparently started the Maroney debate

 

[Synovia]

2. I disagree, First round picks are suppose to be impact players and Maroney is not and never will be. First Rounders are an organization's greatest asset during the draft because you can trade it, get somebody valuable etc..... Maroney's impact has doomed the success of that draft and this organization for its running game.

So, if whats important is the R1 status, you'd say that if BJGE was a #1, and Maroney was the UDFA, that Maroney si TEH AWESOME and BJGE is THE SUCK?

Yes, Maroney was a first round pick. No, that is not relevant to whether or not he is good. When it comes down to it, hes the best healthy RB on the roster, and might be the best RB overall on the roster. His draft position means nothing.

 

[Synovia]

iman I have schoolwork to do.... I'll see you around. You twisted this argument to RB's when I intended to stress the significance of a 1st rounder.

There is no significance of a first rounder after the player has signed. NONE.

 

[JSn]

I must have missed the part where LoMo DRAFTED HIMSELF in the first round.

I'm a big BJGE supporter and I love rooting for the underdog. To my detriment I wanted the Fish to beat the Stains yesterday because of my penchant for pulling for the little guy.That said, I can't consider Maroney a bust. I wish people would think about two things:

1) Maroney is a first rounder because he WAS CHOSEN in the first round. It's asinine to hold that against him.

2) Faulk is considered great because he was given patience and is used in his strengths, not his weaknesses. I think given Maroney's YPC and catching ability, he'll be extended the same patience (and likely offered a cost effective extension if he has a good year).

 

[Boots Electric]

Back on topic a bit, that injury looked awful and the way they describe it sounds even worse. Really hope for a complete recovery for this guy from this.

 

[Patpartizan]

Re: OT: Jets' Leon Washington carted off the field [merged]

Actually Shonn Greene was a very well known RB for Iowa last yr who ran for over 2000 yards. He led all of division 1 college football for most of the year before UConn's Donald Brown (went to INDY) took over the rushing lead late in the year.

Greene was predicted to go in the 2nd rd, and when the 2nd rd ended, the NYJ traded up immediately to take him as the #1 pick in the 3rd rd. He is expected to be a playmaker, and now has his shot.

Maybe so, but I bet his Rookie Card tripled over night.

 

[Kontradiction]

I still don't understand why Maroney is supposed to run through 300 pounders while Lawfirm gets a pass all because Maroney is a first round draft pick and Lawfirm is not. If you're going to extend the blocking excuse for Lawfirm, you need to extend it for Maroney.

 

[supafly]

I figured that he would have an insurance policy. For what they are, they are relatively cheap. Gives him security.

Actually Rob, I don't think they are that cheap--not to split hairs. I remember in the beginning of the yr, I believe it was either Bradford or McCoy took one out in case an injury deterred their NFL career. Their dad (4get which one) was quoted as saying how incredibly expensive the monthly/yearly premium was because of the tremendous payout. When you have any kind of policy paying you say, a million dollars + (for example), the premium will be absolutely insane.

For these guys though the choice is simple, they have so much to lose if they get hurt.

If you end up finding out any links etc, let me know, I'm curious too--but I swear I remember reading in the summer time about how incredibly high the premiums are. It makes sense because the payout is astronomical. It's relative to car insurance that would pay for the entire blue book value of say, 25k or so, but your monthly payments are approx. 200. When you're looking at a policy that pays 1 million or so cash (40x a 25k car) the policy would be in the thousands every month.

I don't have a link to the specific article, but those Lloyd's of London policies are more expensive than you'd think. Apologies in advance if I am wrong, but I remember one of those Big 12 QB's families were saying how much they'd have to invest for the benefit of their son. Hope it was Bradford for his sake!