Signs of the Trade-pocalypse: Official thread for speculation on WTF is going down

[Garbanza]

Re: Deion Branch

What was your point in starting a whole new thread? There is already a thread on this topic?

And No thank you to Branch. And yes, I'd boo his sorry arse every time he touched the ball. He's a scumbag of a person.

Although I do not want to defend him here - but why is Branch a scumbag? Because he shot his way out of dodge for the big payday he was not going to get here? That makes him a scumbag now? Maximizing your earnings makes people scumbags now. Good to know.

I understand people hating on him...and I also understand that Wilfork is handling his issues his way - and what all of us would say: with class (as in honoring his contract). I still can't call an underpaid employee, who is trying to make more money, a scumbag.

 

[patsfan-1982]

Re: Deion Branch? TO?

branch shoud be out of the NFL in a year or two he sucks

and T.O is still a big time WR on the right team like new orleans the pats the colts team's with a real QB

 

[FalconHeavy]

Re: Deion Branch

Although I do not want to defend him here - but why is Branch a scumbag? Because he shot his way out of dodge for the big payday he was not going to get here? That makes him a scumbag now? Maximizing your earnings makes people scumbags now. Good to know.

Not a scumbag, but definitely burnt his bridge when he refused to honor the last year of contract he signed with us ! Hey you sign for 4 years, you play for 4 years, what is the problem in that ??

 

[SeanBruschi54]

Re: Signs of the Trade-pocalypse: Official thread for speculation on WTF is going dow

All the thread title needed was Javon Walker and the OP would have hat a Hat Trick

 

[PittPatriot]

Re: Deion Branch

Not a scumbag, but definitely burnt his bridge when he refused to honor the last year of contract he signed with us ! Hey you sign for 4 years, you play for 4 years, what is the problem in that ??

I agree with what you are saying...but many players have been cut by the Patriots over the years (well before their contracts may have come due). On the other hand, if Branch played for the Pats and suffered a bad injury during the final year of that contract...I do not think the Pats (or any team) would have given him his pay-day.

 

[JSn]

Re: Signs of the Trade-pocalypse: Official thread for speculation on WTF is going dow

Well, Alexander and TBC are at practice today, as are LeVoir and Tate. Does that mean we're back at 53 and the excitement is all but done?

 

[Lampshade]

Re: Signs of the Trade-pocalypse: Official thread for speculation on WTF is going dow

Well, Alexander and TBC are at practice today, as are LeVoir and Tate. Does that mean we're back at 53 and the excitement is all but done?

I believe so.

Galloway and Matthews for LeVoir and Tate.

 

[Jimke]

Re: Deion Branch

Not a scumbag, but definitely burnt his bridge when he refused to honor the last year of contract he signed with us ! Hey you sign for 4 years, you play for 4 years, what is the problem in that ??

Deion was forced into signing a 5 year contract. Originally, it was

supposed to be a 4 year contract but Deion looked so good early on

that the Patriots demanded a 5 year contract. This was the crux of

the problem. When the 4 years passed that normally resulted in free

agency, Deoin and his agent demanded a new contract with the 5th

year voided. The Patriots refused but Searttle later on agreed.

 

[pencilneckgeek]

Re: Signs of the Trade-pocalypse: Official thread for speculation on WTF is going dow

Well, Alexander and TBC are at practice today, as are LeVoir and Tate. Does that mean we're back at 53 and the excitement is all but done?

No. LeVoir and Tate don't take up a roster spot until they are activated. They don't have to be activated for three weeks after coming off PUP. They are in a temporary able-to-practice exemption slot. They will need to be activated, put on IR, or waived after those three weeks. We probably won't know until Sunday at the earliest whether either has a roster spot.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Deion Branch

I really don't get this, i suppose you would never persue higher wages in your job then? Sure the way he went about it wasn't great, but that hardly makes him a scumbag. Has he raped or murdered somebody?? No.

He LIED through his friggin teeth and purposely went out of his way to screw the Pats over. Not to mention that he never bargained in good faith. Don't give me this horsesh!t about "persuing higher wages" because it was way beyond that. He did so in a grossly unethical manner and if YOU had done that, you'd have been fired on the spot.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Deion Branch

Although I do not want to defend him here - but why is Branch a scumbag? Because he shot his way out of dodge for the big payday he was not going to get here? That makes him a scumbag now? Maximizing your earnings makes people scumbags now. Good to know.

I understand people hating on him...and I also understand that Wilfork is handling his issues his way - and what all of us would say: with class (as in honoring his contract). I still can't call an underpaid employee, who is trying to make more money, a scumbag.

What is it with people and this garbage about maximizing your earnings as being an excuse for LYING and not bargaining in good faith.

lets recap for all you people who seem to have forgotten the whole Branch saga and seem to think that what he did was OK.

1) Branch comes out in late March/Early April and says in numerous interviews (including ESPN The Mag) that he's an honorable man and will play out his contract regardless of what happens in the negotiations.

2) Branch receives no fewer than 3 contract offers from the Patriots prior to the draft and all of them go unanswered.

3) AFTER the draft and after most of free agency is over, (Mid May) Branch comes out and says he's holding out. Also, note that at that time, he still hadn't sent a counter offer to the Patriots.

4) Branch and his agent, prior to his being given permission and while still under contract to the Patriots, had been in contact with at least Mangini and the Jets. Rumors also say the Redskins and Seahawks.

5) Patriots grant Branch permission after he FINALLY gives them a counter offer in which he refuses to be treated the way that Brady and Seymour were treated for their rookie contracts (in that they signed extensions and only got their bonus money up front, not new salary). Branch refused to be treated that way and wanted NEW SALARY up front along with his bonus money.

6) The Jets lowball the Patriots with a 2nd round pick offer, which they reject.

7) The Pats trade Branch to the Seahawks for a 1st rounder.

Branch never bargained in good faith. Branch or his agent got offers from other teams when they hadn't been given permission. Branch flat out LIED to everyone about being an honorable man. He put himself before his teammates.

That isn't maximizing your salary potential. That's being a lying, greedy, money-grubbing scumbag.

BTW, he has BRADY to thank for that new contract because without Brady, Branch is nothing but a 3rd/4th receiver on most teams. Branch shouldn't have gotten the MVP of SB 39. That should have been Harrison or Brady.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Deion Branch

I agree with what you are saying...but many players have been cut by the Patriots over the years (well before their contracts may have come due). On the other hand, if Branch played for the Pats and suffered a bad injury during the final year of that contract...I do not think the Pats (or any team) would have given him his pay-day.

While the Pats have "cut" players before their contracts have come due, in most, if not all the cases, those players had been extremely well compensated while a member of the Patriots. They also had gotten very good signing bonuses when they joined the team. Money that the team never asked to be repaid.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Deion Branch

Deion was forced into signing a 5 year contract. Originally, it was

supposed to be a 4 year contract but Deion looked so good early on

that the Patriots demanded a 5 year contract. This was the crux of

the problem. When the 4 years passed that normally resulted in free

agency, Deoin and his agent demanded a new contract with the 5th

year voided. The Patriots refused but Searttle later on agreed.

There is only ONE problem with Deion supposedly being "forced" into signing the 5 year deal. Every other 2nd round pick the Pats had prior to him and after him until the league changed the rules, was signed to a 5 year deal. I believe its a complete fabrication on the part of Branch and his agent. And, considering the lie about being an honorable man and honoring his contract and the fact they never responded to any of the Patriots initial contract offers, I believe there is enough evidence to support the idea that they lied about the 4 year deal as well.

 

[patsfan-1982]

Re: Deion Branch

What is it with people and this garbage about maximizing your earnings as being an excuse for LYING and not bargaining in good faith.

lets recap for all you people who seem to have forgotten the whole Branch saga and seem to think that what he did was OK.

1) Branch comes out in late March/Early April and says in numerous interviews (including ESPN The Mag) that he's an honorable man and will play out his contract regardless of what happens in the negotiations.

2) Branch receives no fewer than 3 contract offers from the Patriots prior to the draft and all of them go unanswered.

3) AFTER the draft and after most of free agency is over, (Mid May) Branch comes out and says he's holding out. Also, note that at that time, he still hadn't sent a counter offer to the Patriots.

4) Branch and his agent, prior to his being given permission and while still under contract to the Patriots, had been in contact with at least Mangini and the Jets. Rumors also say the Redskins and Seahawks.

5) Patriots grant Branch permission after he FINALLY gives them a counter offer in which he refuses to be treated the way that Brady and Seymour were treated for their rookie contracts (in that they signed extensions and only got their bonus money up front, not new salary). Branch refused to be treated that way and wanted NEW SALARY up front along with his bonus money.

6) The Jets lowball the Patriots with a 2nd round pick offer, which they reject.

7) The Pats trade Branch to the Seahawks for a 1st rounder.

Branch never bargained in good faith. Branch or his agent got offers from other teams when they hadn't been given permission. Branch flat out LIED to everyone about being an honorable man. He put himself before his teammates.

That isn't maximizing your salary potential. That's being a lying, greedy, money-grubbing scumbag.

BTW, he has BRADY to thank for that new contract because without Brady, Branch is nothing but a 3rd/4th receiver on most teams. Branch shouldn't have gotten the MVP of SB 39. That should have been Harrison or Brady.

your right branch is no better then a 4th WR witch is even more reason to get he's big pay day when he did

we fans forget that most football player's dont have a back up plan if they dont get there millions in the NFL they end up working at mickey D's

kurt warner was a bag boy for a super market befor he was MVP for the rams


so witch one would you take step on a few toe's and make some fans mad at me and set my fam up in a nice house with some money or work at the car wash and rent a apt

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Deion Branch

What is it with people and this garbage about maximizing your earnings as being an excuse for LYING and not bargaining in good faith.

lets recap for all you people who seem to have forgotten the whole Branch saga and seem to think that what he did was OK.

1) Branch comes out in late March/Early April and says in numerous interviews (including ESPN The Mag) that he's an honorable man and will play out his contract regardless of what happens in the negotiations.

2) Branch receives no fewer than 3 contract offers from the Patriots prior to the draft and all of them go unanswered.

3) AFTER the draft and after most of free agency is over, (Mid May) Branch comes out and says he's holding out. Also, note that at that time, he still hadn't sent a counter offer to the Patriots.

4) Branch and his agent, prior to his being given permission and while still under contract to the Patriots, had been in contact with at least Mangini and the Jets. Rumors also say the Redskins and Seahawks.

5) Patriots grant Branch permission after he FINALLY gives them a counter offer in which he refuses to be treated the way that Brady and Seymour were treated for their rookie contracts (in that they signed extensions and only got their bonus money up front, not new salary). Branch refused to be treated that way and wanted NEW SALARY up front along with his bonus money.

6) The Jets lowball the Patriots with a 2nd round pick offer, which they reject.

7) The Pats trade Branch to the Seahawks for a 1st rounder.

Branch never bargained in good faith. Branch or his agent got offers from other teams when they hadn't been given permission. Branch flat out LIED to everyone about being an honorable man. He put himself before his teammates.

That isn't maximizing your salary potential. That's being a lying, greedy, money-grubbing scumbag.

BTW, he has BRADY to thank for that new contract because without Brady, Branch is nothing but a 3rd/4th receiver on most teams. Branch shouldn't have gotten the MVP of SB 39. That should have been Harrison or Brady.

Excellent recap worth quoting in entirety.
I seem to recall that the final Pats offer matched Seattle money but required The Twig to change agents. Reasonable from the Pats perspective since his agent never bargained in good faith with the Pats and most likely colluded with Mangini's Jets in tampering.

The Twig's late, deliberately late after the draft and prime FAs, reversal and refusal to play cost the Pats the AFCCG and the SB. Damn him to football hell.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Deion Branch

your right branch is no better then a 4th WR witch is even more reason to get he's big pay day when he did

we fans forget that most football player's dont have a back up plan if they dont get there millions in the NFL they end up working at mickey D's

kurt warner was a bag boy for a super market befor he was MVP for the rams


so witch one would you take step on a few toe's and make some fans mad at me and set my fam up in a nice house with some money or work at the car wash and rent a apt

Let's see.. the options are really this:

Teach my young children to be honorable men by bargaining in good faith, sticking to my word, and not lying while making sure they are set for life

or

Teach my young children that its ok to lie and cheat to make a few extra bucks while turning my back on my teammates who helped make me into the player I am.

Lets get serious people. Stop acting like the contract offers from the Pats were going to make him a poor man. Branch was getting a big pay day regardless of which way he went. The reality is that he showed himself to be a horrible role model to his kids and a man who's word doesn't mean a damn thing. He's a liar and isn't worth the time of day.

 

[Satchboogie3]

Re: Deion Branch

your right branch is no better then a 4th WR witch is even more reason to get he's big pay day when he did

we fans forget that most football player's dont have a back up plan if they dont get there millions in the NFL they end up working at mickey D's

kurt warner was a bag boy for a super market befor he was MVP for the rams


so witch one would you take step on a few toe's and make some fans mad at me and set my fam up in a nice house with some money or work at the car wash and rent a apt

This is as far from the truth as it gets. Deon was not in a position where he gets "all or nothing". I'm pretty sure the Patriots weren't offering him pay at the level of a "car wash" employee, but really, it's not even the point. The point is that he was not honest with the Pats and acted like a complete ******* to get more money. If he wasn't interested with the Pats offers, he should have said so instead of forcing them to trade him. Going behind the backs of the Pats and talking to other teams while still under contract by the Pats isn't even legal according to the rules. He mislead the Patriots and never gave them an honest position.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Deion Branch

There is only ONE problem with Deion supposedly being "forced" into signing the 5 year deal. Every other 2nd round pick the Pats had prior to him and after him until the league changed the rules, was signed to a 5 year deal. I b

The patriots are pretty much why they changed that rule. What you're giving is actually evidence that the Pats forced their 2nd rounders to take 5 year deals, because pretty much no one else in the league was using them.

 

[JSn]

Re: Signs of the Trade-pocalypse: Official thread for speculation on WTF is going dow

Ok, so no Trade-pocalypse. We lost much less than we gain from PUP.

Technically LeVoir and Tate aren't activated yet, but maybe this means they will be shortly.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Deion Branch

The patriots are pretty much why they changed that rule. What you're giving is actually evidence that the Pats forced their 2nd rounders to take 5 year deals, because pretty much no one else in the league was using them.

That's not true either. Plenty of other teams were using them. You really shouldn't believe everything that the late Gene Upshaw said because most of it was either exaggerated or just plain untrue.