Official Patriots/Falcons Post Game Thread

[cmasspatsfan]

If this was a sideways shot at what I said, that's not what I meant. I'm not worried about sheer pressure as much as I want to see schemes that baffle opposing teams.

personally Ill be happy if they stop the other team from scoring even if they put me to sleep while doing it.

 

[BritPat]

The Falcons run the ball a lot, but they don't do it especially well. Don't let that keep you from building obvious straw-men though- that seems to pretty much be your M.O.

I didn't say that hte Pats' run D was bad. I said that there are two obvious reasons why they couldn't run on us today: either our run D is better than we thought, or their ground game isn't as good as most people think. Considering that a lot of sources that I trust a great deal were putting up red flags about ATL's running game before the season even started (Turner piled up stats feasting on bad D's last year- was very unspectacular the rest of the time), it's clear to me which way to lean.

Please try to support your assertion that the Falcons are an "excellent running team". I'm like to see how you got that impression. And know in advance that if you just point to Turner's rushing totals, I'll just give you a game-by-game breakdown that shows that he was awesome against crappy teams, but that's about it. His eye-popping stats are pretty much the result of crazy stats against Detroit, KC, St. Louis, and Green Bay- a bunch of absolutely terrible Ds.

How many running backs actually put up great numbers against excellent Run D's?

I don't care who you're facing, 2400 yards means you have a good running game, 1700 yards from one man means you have a great RB.

 

[letekro]

I hope so. But I don't remember him doing much of interest last year. Maybe because they were all so old.


If this was a sideways shot at what I said, that's not what I meant. I'm not worried about sheer pressure as much as I want to see schemes that baffle opposing teams.

Hate to break it to you, but NFL teams aren't "baffled" by any defense. Tight coverage, good pass rush, and good tackling are the keys to success, not schemes. Let's see how good Rex Ryan's "scheme" is without Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Chris Mcallister, Kris Jenkins and Darrelle Revis.

 

[JackBauer]

Hate to break it to you, but NFL teams aren't "baffled" by any defense. Tight coverage, good pass rush, and good tackling are the keys to success, not schemes. Let's see how good Rex Ryan's "scheme" is without Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Chris Mcallister, Kris Jenkins and Darrelle Revis.

FWIW, Kris Jenkins is very, very overrated.

 

[crypto]

personally Ill be happy if they stop the other team from scoring even if they put me to sleep while doing it.

I guess I'd say the same. As long as they can keep it up.

 

[Patspsycho]

I think also Brady's shoulder is hurt more than he is letting on... That hit by Hayensworth might have done something to his pschye... He was ok... But he still misses some throws...

Shoulder has nothing to do with it, or he wouldn't even have been able to throw deep.

His throws consistently sail high which is a sign that he's not transferring weight to his lead foot 100%.

 

[mcsully]

FWIW, Kris Jenkins is very, very overrated.

WOW.. U don't know football then.. Jenkins is top 3 NT in the league..

I'll go further.. He's the best NT in the league.. He's better than WIlfork..

 

[letekro]

FWIW, Kris Jenkins is very, very overrated.

Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[JackBauer]

Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

Look, you don't have to act all butthurt about it. It's a fact. He can't stay healthy and wears down... every season. Did he do anything against the Patriots? No? That's what I thought.

Ngata would've been a much better player to cite in your post.

 

[JackBauer]

WOW.. U don't know football then.. Jenkins is top 3 NT in the league..

I'll go further.. He's the best NT in the league.. He's better than WIlfork..

Yeah, I guess if you only base your evaluation on 20 percent of the snaps any given player takes.

 

[BradyFTW!]

To be honest, I tend to agree with him. I think the Pats defense is very good against the run... but I'd be interested in hearing why you believe otherwise.

I don't think that the Pats' D is bad against the run. I just worry that we can be gashed, as we were in the Buffalo game. The reason why I think it is pretty simple: because we've played one good rushing team so far, and they ran all over us.

The Falcons were running for 3.4 YPC coming into this game, against Miami and Carolina. The Jets ran for 2.7 YPC against Tennessee today, and did well against a Houston run defense that got absolutely annihilated by JAX today (184 yards, 5.9 YPC, 4TD). So the Jets' running game got shut down in 1 non-Pats game, and did pretty well against a terrible run defense in the other.

To reiterate: I'm not saying that the Pats are bad against the run. And as bad as tehy were in week 1, I fully expect them to improve as the year goes on. But I'm definitely not ready to write off the Buffalo game on account of the fact that two decent-at-best rushing teams haven't done much against us since. Not saying we're bad- just that I haven't seen much since week 1 to swing me either way. If we can do well against the run next week, I'll be convinced.

 

[IndianPat]

Was Patrick Chung in an offensive play when Pats went on 4th down in the 3rd quarter near the 30 yard line? I thought I saw him in a frame a couple of seconds after the play finished.

 

[JackBauer]

I don't think that the Pats' D is bad against the run. I just worry that we can be gashed, as we were in the Buffalo game. The reason why I think it is pretty simple: because we've played one good rushing team so far, and they ran all over us.

The Falcons were running for 3.4 YPC coming into this game, against Miami and Carolina. The Jets ran for 2.7 YPC against Tennessee today, and did well against a Houston run defense that got absolutely annihilated by JAX today (184 yards, 5.9 YPC, 4TD). So the Jets' running game got shut down in 1 non-Pats game, and did pretty well against a terrible run defense in the other.

To reiterate: I'm not saying that the Pats are bad against the run. And as bad as tehy were in week 1, I fully expect them to improve as the year goes on. But I'm definitely not ready to write off the Buffalo game on account of the fact that two decent-at-best rushing teams haven't done much against us since. Not saying we're bad- just that I haven't seen much since week 1 to swing me either way. If we can do well against the run next week, I'll be convinced.

Fair enough. I don't think the Jets are a very good rushing team, since I'm of the opinion that Thomas Jones sucks. But that's just me...

 

[mcsully]

Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

i know.. DO people actually watch these players before making these ridiculous comments??

Jenkins in week 1 was all over Schuab.. It was freaking ridiculous.. Houston couldn't run because he tied up between 2-3 players on EVERY play..

Last week.. did u notice the pats ran AWAY from him.. On the outside..

And this week.. Well I didn't see the game (season tkt holder).. But the stats support a good running game by TEnn this week..

 

[letekro]

Look, you don't have to act all butthurt about it. It's a fact. He can't stay healthy and wears down... every season. Did he do anything against the Patriots? No? That's what I thought.

Ngata would've been a much better player to cite in your post.

Did he do anything against the patriots? Other than occupy two blockers every play and clear the gaps for free blitzers? No, not much.

I understand the guy has some health issues, but when he plays (and I don't think he has missed any time since going to NY), I assure you he is as good as advertised.

 

[BradyFTW!]

How many running backs actually put up great numbers against excellent Run D's?

I don't care who you're facing, 2400 yards means you have a good running game, 1700 yards from one man means you have a great RB.

Depends entirely on strength of schedule. Turner's a good RB, but there are at least 10 RBs in the NFL who could have picked up 1700 yards against the defenses that the Falcons faced last year. Fans pretty much always underrate the impact of strength of schedule on a team's statistics over the course of a season, but Michael TUrner and Matt Cassel were two of the clearest examples that you'll ever see of pretty good players putting up stats that are way above their talent level because they're facing crappy defenses. The Falcons played awful run defenses week in and week out, and it's showing this year in their huge dropoff in performance on the ground.

 

[West Philly Patriot]

WOW.. U don't know football then.. Jenkins is top 3 NT in the league..

I'll go further.. He's the best NT in the league.. He's better than WIlfork..

What statistic is this based on?!
Haaacheww!!!!!

I'm sorry I am allergic to bullschit!!!!

 

[mcsully]

Look, you don't have to act all butthurt about it. It's a fact. He can't stay healthy and wears down... every season. Did he do anything against the Patriots? No? That's what I thought.

Ngata would've been a much better player to cite in your post.

Ngata plays DE... Jenkins is a pure NT..
Ngata is probably the best DE in a 3/4 the past 2 years..

 

[Va_Pats_Fan]

Was Patrick Chung in an offensive play when Pats went on 4th down in the 3rd quarter near the 30 yard line? I thought I saw him in a frame a couple of seconds after the play finished.

I thought I saw that too. But was in a bar, and it was just a flash..anyone?

 

[robb01]

What statistic is this based on?!
Haaacheww!!!!!

I'm sorry I am allergic to bullschit!!!!

ur not the only one :disagreement: