Lombardi: Seymour's not looking for a contract, he's just pissed.

[Deus Irae]

i put the blame on this on Seymour and guys like him who only care for money. the money he was making here in NE was a lot. He wanted a big pay day like Haynesworth and should have know that the pats wouldn't keep him around if he wanted that kind of dough. pats did what was best for the pats. no one seems to want to be a team player anymore and it bothers me.

The Patriots demand absolute loyalty and return the favor by showing most players absolutely no loyalty at all.

Why wouldn't players look to get the money at some point?

 

[tailgater]

Yeah that would be worse than moving your family from RI to lets say ah........China

Have you ever had to do something like that - tell your kids that plans have changed and say goodbye to all your friends, the day before school starts?? Good luck with that if it does. If the kids are rela young, no big deal. Teens OTOH?

 

[ensoul]

He does not really have to move his family to CA as was stated above. Yes the raiders will be bad but overall couldn't he have a decent year, sort of a like a good player on a bad team type deal? That could lead to some decent offers next year. Lastly he needs to look on the bright side. He is getting paid very well and he will have a shorter season than he would with the pats as the raiders will end up being 5-11 this year.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

Wow! The Raiders were really stupid enough to sign off on the trade before a physical or Seymour reporting to camp. Bill should offer to take Seymour back for a seventh round pick. The Raiders really are the worst run organization in sports. You never complete a trade until you know that the player is actually going to honor the trade.

{ring}

"Hello"

"Ummmm, Hi Bill....... It's Al"

"What do you want".

"Ummmm, That Mr. Seymour guy won't come out here to play on our little football team"

"Hmmmmmmm, that is a problem Al. Tell you what I'll do cuz I like like you. I'll take that Seymour kid and I'll give you our 2019 sixth rounder".

"Ahhhhhhhh, gee Mr. Bill that doesn't seem like very goo..........."

"HEY AL, it is what it is Babe, take it or leave it"

"ummmmmm, ahhhhhhhh, okay"

{click}
:singing:

 

[patman12]

Have you ever had to do something like that - tell your kids that plans have changed and say goodbye to all your friends, the day before school starts?? Good luck with that if it does. If the kids are rela young, no big deal. Teens OTOH?

I'm sure it's tough for Sey but that is part of his job. He knew as soon as he became a professional football player, that he could be traded at any time. If it was just about squaring away details, he could have phoned the Raiders and said he needed a couple of days but (to my knowledge) he's not done that. He's actions are like a petulant child not getting his way.

 

[Bostonian1962]

The Patriots demand absolute loyalty and return the favor by showing most players absolutely no loyalty at all.

Why wouldn't players look to get the money at some point?

The Patriots show players a ton of loyalty. There are few franchises in the entire league that treats their players better. RB Edwards blew his knee out, ending his career in a non-football injury, and the team paid him his full salary.

When the team is offered a 1st Round pick, for a 9 year veteran in his contract year, should the team say, "nope, let's not take this deal, let's be loyal?" That is such garbage.

We hear the same thing when McGinist, Law, Milloy, Woody and others wanted the big pay day, and chose to go elsewhere to get it. How is that not loyal on behalf of the Patriots? The players were the ones who were not loyal. Woody, for example, became the highest paid interior offensive lineman in league history. What has he done since? What have any of them done? What has D. Branch done to prove the Patriots should have opened to vault for him? That IS NOT disloyalty! That is called having half a brain.

Seymour held the Patriots hostage, and got a gigantic contract. He was loyal to himself. The Patriots accept an outrageous trade offer from possibly the worst NFL Franchise, and that becomes disloyalty??????

Give me a break! DI, my tone is not directed at you. I never get personal on here. It's really aimed at the media types that feign disgust at the Patriots, just because of their own motives.

 

[BelichickFan]

Have you ever had to do something like that - tell your kids that plans have changed and say goodbye to all your friends, the day before school starts?? Good luck with that if it does. If the kids are rela young, no big deal. Teens OTOH?

That's not the Patriots' problem. If Seymour wanted to stay, he could have signed an appropriate but not crazy extension over the years. Was he looking for the most money or just bluffing ? Who knows but if he was bluffing, he's been called. Life is about choices, Seymour has made choices for years and now he's reaping the benefit or facing the consequences depending how you look at it.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Patriots show players a ton of loyalty. There are few franchises in the entire league that treats their players better. RB Edwards blew his knee out, ending his career in a non-football injury, and the team paid him his full salary.

When the team is offered a 1st Round pick, for a 9 year veteran in his contract year, should the team say, "nope, let's not take this deal, let's be loyal?" That is such garbage.

We hear the same thing when McGinist, Law, Milloy, Woody and others wanted the big pay day, and chose to go elsewhere to get it. How is that not loyal on behalf of the Patriots? The players were the ones who were not loyal. Woody, for example, became the highest paid interior offensive lineman in league history. What has he done since? What have any of them done? What has D. Branch done to prove the Patriots should have opened to vault for him? That IS NOT disloyalty! That is called having half a brain.

Seymour held the Patriots hostage, and got a gigantic contract. He was loyal to himself. The Patriots accept an outrageous trade offer from possibly the worst NFL Franchise, and that becomes disloyalty??????

Give me a break! DI, my tone is not directed at you. I never get personal on here. It's really aimed at the media types that feign disgust at the Patriots, just because of their own motives.

One of the things people talk about time after time is this team moving players "a year early"... That means that they're cutting/trading players when the player is still capable of getting the job done. This team has no loyalty. You can claim otherwise, but they are lauded for their lack of loyalty. That's why we point to Troy Brown and Tedy Bruschi: they were the extremely rare exceptions to the rule.

 

[thewaylifeshouldbe]

I am not surprised Sey doesn't want a long term contract with the Raiders. He probably wants something as good or better than Asomugha (3 years 45 mil. with 28 mil guaranteed). Not sure the cap implications for the Raiders right now. They have spent tons of money and have tons tied up with about 6 other guys.

Maybe Sey will "retire" for the season and force the Raiders to dump him next year to a team willing to give up a 2nd. It does them no good to sit on him (although Al has been known to take it in the rear to punish a guy).

I think Sey's agent gets what he wants (assuming the Raiders have it available) and Seymour reports by Friday. If not then he retires, stays in shape and forces some hands next year. Although that scenario may have the Raiders up in arms and trying to rescind the deal, regardless of any contract wording, and getting the league involved.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Remember, BB did Vrabes a big favor moving him to KC where he could make serious millions rather than cuting him and leting someone pick him up at below his high contract value.

Any NFL player for any team anaware that their last year or so of a big contract is at risk, has an agent who is keeping them uninformed.

 

[thewaylifeshouldbe]

That's not the Patriots' problem. If Seymour wanted to stay, he could have signed an appropriate but not crazy extension over the years. Was he looking for the most money or just bluffing ? Who knows but if he was bluffing, he's been called. Life is about choices, Seymour has made choices for years and now he's reaping the benefit or facing the consequences depending how you look at it.

We keep hearing on this board about Seymour wanting some crazy extension, but nowhere has it been reported that is the case. Sure, he has a history here with contract negotiations..but it is purely speculative that he was demanding a high dollar extension now rather than later.

BB said that Oakland contacted them and it sounds like the offer got too good to refuse. As someone else stated, and I agree, I don't think BB liked doing this deal....I think it was his GM brain that had no choice but to accept.

 

[BelichickFan]

We keep hearing on this board about Seymour wanting some crazy extension

I didn't say that he wanted a crazy extension, I said he could have signed an appropriate extension over the years. Can I prove that ? No. But it is clear that if Seymour wanted to stay for good, but not top DL, money he could have because Belichick has been willing to extend players for good but not top money.

 

[JD10367]

The Patriots demand absolute loyalty and return the favor by showing most players absolutely no loyalty at all.

Why wouldn't players look to get the money at some point?

#1: The Patriots are no different from any other sports team. No, wait, check that: they are. They're smarter than most.

#2: Seymour HAS looked to "get the money". He held out to "get the money". He made sure his contract would be up by 30 so he could "get the money". Well, guess what? To paraphrase Princess Leia to Han Solo near the end of "Star Wars", if money is all you covet, then that's what you'll receive. He's GETTING the money. He's going to Oakland, where he'll either get a fat new contract from them, a fat new contract from someone else, or a tag which pays him a boatload of dough. He can't pretend that, suddenly, it's all about playing for the Patriots. If the Patriots had made the trade with Indy or Pittsburgh he'd be there already, trash-talking the Pats just like the rest of the mercenaries who've moved on.

As has been said, it was stupid of him to buy a new house here, and it's stupid of him to pout about being traded, when he knew perfectly well all along that a.) he wouldn't be here in 2010 and b.) he might get dealt. Boo frickin' hoo.

The Pats can trade a guy whenever they want. Kraft can fire Belichick whenever he wants. Your boss can make you eat sh*t whenever he wants, or fire you. Your wife can hold out on the poontang. The government can make your life miserable with an audit. God can end the whole ball of wax with a well-timed tornado, runaway truck, tiny cancerous blob, or whatnot. Life sucks, Richard. You're getting paid millions to play a game, and this is part of that deal. We all pretty much get the same deals in life. How we handle them means the difference between going out like a Tedy Bruschi or going out like an Ellis Hobbs. Seymour's made his bed, through years of his actions and the image he's apparently given to the Pats brass.

The grass always looks greener on the other side. You usually find out that it's the same at best, and sometimes it's a lot worse. Ask Damien Woody, or Lawyer Milloy, or some of the others.

 

[Deus Irae]

#1: The Patriots are no different from any other sports team. No, wait, check that: they are. They're smarter than most.

#2: Seymour HAS looked to "get the money". He held out to "get the money". He made sure his contract would be up by 30 so he could "get the money". Well, guess what? To paraphrase Princess Leia to Han Solo near the end of "Star Wars", if money is all you covet, then that's what you'll receive. He's GETTING the money. He's going to Oakland, where he'll either get a fat new contract from them, a fat new contract from someone else, or a tag which pays him a boatload of dough. He can't pretend that, suddenly, it's all about playing for the Patriots. If the Patriots had made the trade with Indy or Pittsburgh he'd be there already, trash-talking the Pats just like the rest of the mercenaries who've moved on.

As has been said, it was stupid of him to buy a new house here, and it's stupid of him to pout about being traded, when he knew perfectly well all along that a.) he wouldn't be here in 2010 and b.) he might get dealt. Boo frickin' hoo.

The Pats can trade a guy whenever they want. Kraft can fire Belichick whenever he wants. Your boss can make you eat sh*t whenever he wants, or fire you. Your wife can hold out on the poontang. The government can make your life miserable with an audit. God can end the whole ball of wax with a well-timed tornado, runaway truck, tiny cancerous blob, or whatnot. Life sucks, Richard. You're getting paid millions to play a game, and this is part of that deal. We all pretty much get the same deals in life. How we handle them means the difference between going out like a Tedy Bruschi or going out like an Ellis Hobbs. Seymour's made his bed, through years of his actions and the image he's apparently given to the Pats brass.

The grass always looks greener on the other side. You usually find out that it's the same at best, and sometimes it's a lot worse. Ask Damien Woody, or Lawyer Milloy, or some of the others.

None of this has anything to do with my noting that the Patriots don't show loyalty. But thanks for posting.

 

[thewaylifeshouldbe]

I didn't say that he wanted a crazy extension, I said he could have signed an appropriate extension over the years. Can I prove that ? No. But it is clear that if Seymour wanted to stay for good, but not top DL, money he could have because Belichick has been willing to extend players for good but not top money.

I hear you, but I think Sey probably got what he was worth through the years. You would think if the demands were too great he would have gone the way of Law and Branch.

I believe BB on the story about the lead up to this. The Raiders made a few offers, we countered a few, and eventually it got too good to resist. For all we know, there never were any extension negotiations this year yet because of the team stating they were not tackling big money deals until they had a better understanding of the next season.

 

[Bostonian1962]

One of the things people talk about time after time is this team moving players "a year early"... That means that they're cutting/trading players when the player is still capable of getting the job done. This team has no loyalty. You can claim otherwise, but they are lauded for their lack of loyalty. That's why we point to Troy Brown and Tedy Bruschi: they were the extremely rare exceptions to the rule.

DI, I respectfully don't at all get that mind set. We know all the examples, so I'll say it this way: The Patriots pay Player A a boatload of money. That player is not what they once were, and maybe getting slightly long in the tooth. The Patriots say we're still willing to play you a ton of money, but not as much as Team A. We think that is way too much. The player says "Hasta la vista baby", and backs up the Brinks truck for their money. Player A never again (in almost every case) plays as the high level corresponding to that money.

Please explain again to me how that is disloyalty on behalf of the team? I still haven't heard a good explanation. I'm not being a smart *****, I just am trying to see some examples/explanations. Who did they move a year early out of disloyalty? Please explain.

 

[BelichickFan]

I believe BB on the story about the lead up to this. The Raiders made a few offers, we countered a few, and eventually it got too good to resist.

Right but I don't think "too good to resist" can be defined without knowing both sides of the equation.

One side was Raiders' 2011 #1 pick.

What was the other side ?

I think it was "lose him after this year or give him a monster deal". If he was willing to sign for good but not crazy money that changes the other side of the equation in what is "too good to resist".

 

[Bostonian1962]

#1: The Patriots are no different from any other sports team. No, wait, check that: they are. They're smarter than most.

#2: Seymour HAS looked to "get the money". He held out to "get the money". He made sure his contract would be up by 30 so he could "get the money". Well, guess what? To paraphrase Princess Leia to Han Solo near the end of "Star Wars", if money is all you covet, then that's what you'll receive. He's GETTING the money. He's going to Oakland, where he'll either get a fat new contract from them, a fat new contract from someone else, or a tag which pays him a boatload of dough. He can't pretend that, suddenly, it's all about playing for the Patriots. If the Patriots had made the trade with Indy or Pittsburgh he'd be there already, trash-talking the Pats just like the rest of the mercenaries who've moved on.

As has been said, it was stupid of him to buy a new house here, and it's stupid of him to pout about being traded, when he knew perfectly well all along that a.) he wouldn't be here in 2010 and b.) he might get dealt. Boo frickin' hoo.

The Pats can trade a guy whenever they want. Kraft can fire Belichick whenever he wants. Your boss can make you eat sh*t whenever he wants, or fire you. Your wife can hold out on the poontang. The government can make your life miserable with an audit. God can end the whole ball of wax with a well-timed tornado, runaway truck, tiny cancerous blob, or whatnot. Life sucks, Richard. You're getting paid millions to play a game, and this is part of that deal. We all pretty much get the same deals in life. How we handle them means the difference between going out like a Tedy Bruschi or going out like an Ellis Hobbs. Seymour's made his bed, through years of his actions and the image he's apparently given to the Pats brass.

The grass always looks greener on the other side. You usually find out that it's the same at best, and sometimes it's a lot worse. Ask Damien Woody, or Lawyer Milloy, or some of the others.

Very well said. Somebody who gets it.

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

Typical Richard Seymour

Why is anyone surprised that Seymour is acting like a petulant baby regarding reporting to the Raiders?

To me (and I admit, I have never been a big Seymour fan), it's just typical Seymour.

When it's all about Richard, then "football is a business" and he holds out for more money - not once, but twice!

When it's about his soft and fragile body that can't seem to play a full NFL season, then "football is a business" and he takes key games off because he does not want his "oh so valuable commodity" to be at risk!

But when Tricky ****y doesn't want to play in Oakland - then it's "wah-wah-wah" - "My family and I just built a house" or "My kids are starting school next week", and suddently it's not a business anymore, it's just all about Seymour and what HE wants, and he thinks he can throw his little pouty fit and screw up the plans of two NFL organizations!

I am so glad to be rid of this man-child!

Jarvis Green will have us saying "Richard Who?" by mid-season.

They don't call him Big Pu-Sey for nothing. Good riddance. If ever there was a man that was born to be a Raider, it's that schlemiel!

 

[Spiral]

I don't get the loyalty thing. I don't want the Patriots to show any loyalty, except to long-time players who have decided to retire, or have suffered a career-ending injury. If Bruschi can't do it anymore, hello Gary Guyton. If Rodney can't run anymore, hello Brandon, or hello Patrick. I liked Seymour, but I'll probably like his replacement, especially if gets double-digit sacks this year. To paraphrase Brady, my favorite Patriots player is the next great one.