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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.We saw BJGE play last season. He had a couple of starts. He runs forward and is decisive....Maroney is what he is. A gifted athlete with excellent open field running skills. But he lacks the most important assets an NFL RB needs to be successful. Vision and instincts. The guy couldn't find a hole in a Las Vegas brothel.
Do you remember Morris' three (or was it 4) consecutive games of over 100 yards before he got injured? When SM plays, the running game is effective. When LM plays, everyone questions the Oline. And yes, I remember Maroney's late season surge but even when he's doing well, he's not as good as Morris. Having said all that, Morris is getting up there in age, as is Taylor, so it is important to keep a younger body on the roster. If we could keep BJGE and Maroney...Great! Especially b/c I think Maroney offers a lot as a ko returner. But if I've got to pick between the two, I don't think its unreasonable to consider BJGE as the better prospect. He certainly doesn't have Maroney's talent, but his running style is much more consistent and reliable and that's what we need out of our RB's.
Yes, of course you are correct regarding the production of the two players. That's not what I meant to imply. I was referring to their styles. BJGE consistently hits the holes hard and gets whatever is there. He's much more reliable and consistent at picking up those 3-5 yards. Maroney gets stuffed for no gain or even short losses far too often. When I watch him run, I think our Oline must be terrible. Then the other guys come in and suddenly the running game not only looks competent, it looks dangerous.
This is better --- you admit that on raw statistics Maroney is a better running back, and on advanced stats (DVOA for instance) he is a very good running back when healthy.
Your problem is aesthetic then, and not a question of effectiveness. You think Law Firm plays football "the way it should be played" even if he is less effective than Maroney whose style you don't like, but whose production (when healthy) is consistent and superior to Law Firm.
The numbers back it up. If the Pats cut him they would lose 500k in cap space. Him and Maroney will be on the 53 in some form or fashion.
Agree. Personally, I don't think him or Bruschi (as much as it pains me to say it) make the final 53.
I thought I'd post in advance of the update by Reiss. I now have Walter, McGowan and O'Callaghan more "definitely" on the 53.
I still have an open choice at long snapper.
HOW MANY OF US HAVE THE ROSTER MUCH DIFFERENT FOR THE 52-MAN ROSTER?
OFFENSE (25)
QB Brady, Walter, O'Connell
RB Maroney, Taylor, Faulk, Morris
WR Moss, Welker, Galloway, Edelman, Aiken, Lewis
TE Baker, Watson, Thomas
OL Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Orhnberger, Vollmer, Hochstein, O'Callaghan
DEFENSE (24)
DL Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Green, Brace, Wright, Pryor
DE/OLB Burgress, Banta-Cain
OLB Thomas, Woods, Crable
ILB Mayo, Guyton, Bruschi
CB Bodden, Wilhite, Springs, Butler, Wheatley
S Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan
SPECIALISTS (3)
K Gostkowski
P Hanson
LS Ingram/Hodel
FINAL SPOT (1)
Some options include BJGE, Nunn, Slater, Ventrone, Lenon, Ninkovitch, Alexander, Jones, Ciurciu, Tank Williams, Alex Smith and someone from another team's roster.
BTW, with all the talk of everyone salivating over our cuts, which of these would you expect to be on a playoff team's roster? Anyone's roster? And yes, we could offer full roster pay to Nunn to play on the Practice Squad, ditto for Ninkovich.
As of now, I suspect that Alexander is slightly aheady of Green-Ellis and Slater for the last roster spot. I still would expect the last spot to go to Lenon if he can on the field.
PUP
WR Tate
OT LeVoir
IR
LB McKenzie
Just trade for Julius Peppers and we're set. Yep, I just said it.
As of now, I suspect that Alexander is slightly aheady of Green-Ellis and Slater for the last roster spot. I still would expect the last spot to go to Lenon if he can on the field.
SLATER????
If Slater makes this team I'm cutting off my left nut.
I thought I'd post in advance of the update by Reiss. I now have Walter, McGowan and O'Callaghan more "definitely" on the 53.
I still have an open choice at long snapper.
HOW MANY OF US HAVE THE ROSTER MUCH DIFFERENT FOR THE 52-MAN ROSTER?
OFFENSE (25)
QB Brady, Walter, O'Connell
RB Maroney, Taylor, Faulk, Morris
WR Moss, Welker, Galloway, Edelman, Aiken, Lewis
TE Baker, Watson, Thomas
OL Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Orhnberger, Vollmer, Hochstein, O'Callaghan
DEFENSE (24)
DL Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Green, Brace, Wright, Pryor
DE/OLB Burgress, Banta-Cain
OLB Thomas, Woods, Crable
ILB Mayo, Guyton, Bruschi
CB Bodden, Wilhite, Springs, Butler, Wheatley
S Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan
SPECIALISTS (3)
K Gostkowski
P Hanson
LS Ingram/Hodel
FINAL SPOT (1)
Some options include BJGE, Nunn, Slater, Ventrone, Lenon, Ninkovitch, Alexander, Jones, Ciurciu, Tank Williams, Alex Smith and someone from another team's roster.
BTW, with all the talk of everyone salivating over our cuts, which of these would you expect to be on a playoff team's roster? Anyone's roster? And yes, we could offer full roster pay to Nunn to play on the Practice Squad, ditto for Ninkovich.
As of now, I suspect that Alexander is slightly aheady of Green-Ellis and Slater for the last roster spot. I still would expect the last spot to go to Lenon if he can on the field.
PUP
WR Tate
OT LeVoir
IR
LB McKenzie
Mike Reiss pretty much agrees as well. Here's his latest take on the final 53:
Projecting the 53, Part II - Reiss' Pieces - Boston.com
The only differences I see:
1. I keep 9 OLs and 4 RBs instead of Reiss' 8 OLs and 5 RBs, with O'Callaghan getting the nod over BJGE (a spot which will eventually go to LeVoir anyway).
2. I agree Alex Smith is the odd TE out as of right now, but I still think it's not over and Smith could get the last TE spot over Dave Thomas.
3. I think Crable is still a lock to make the team, and Alexander gets bumped.
4. I think Lenon gets the last defensive spot over Slater.
4. Reis is a a Slater fan? Why? How? He's a one dimensional return specialist and he's nowhere even close to being the best returner in camp. I mean, the guy has more muffs than decent returns. Maroney will likely be 3rd string RB and he can be an excellent returner. Wheatley is the 5th CB and he can return. We still have Faulk. We have tons of players who can return kickoffs. There's no need for Slater. He should be one of the first cuts.
You do realize Slater is a gunner, right? And that when hes not returning kicks, hes the lead blocker, right? He does a ton of things on ST that Faulk, Maroney, Wheatley, etc, can't do.
I don't think he does "a ton of things" period. He undoubtedly can do more than Faulk or Maroney on special teams but are there not other players who can fill the same roles and do it just as good if not better? Aiken Lenon, Ninkovitch, Alexander, Jones, Ciurciu, and Tank Williams just to name a few.
If those guys could do these things better, why is Slater doing them now?