Denver reportedly shopping Jarvis Moss

[Box_O_Rocks]

So, let me understand this one, Box.

Your binky (and mine) Connor Barwin just went to Houston at #46.

Would you not be interested?

Moss...compares favorably to Aaron Maybin.

All I'm saying is that I hope BB takes a look at him himself and decides if he's worth a look.

Which player does he compare to, Barwin or Maybin? I don't consider the two comparable so he's one or the other. Moss is a downhill player, he pins his ears back and goes. I don't remember Moss being asked to play in space, I certainly wasn't that high on him in the draft.

At present your are advocating BB trade Denver a 7th round pick in 2010 for a guy who has a salary over $2M. If he was cut and brought in for League minimum, that's one thing, trading for him is a bad move. So "all I'm saying" is "no, I don't want to trade for him." My money is on Denver cutting him and after tryouts with some desperate 4-3 teams, he's out of football.

 

[mayoclinic]

Which player does he compare to, Barwin or Maybin? I don't consider the two comparable so he's one or the other. Moss is a downhill player, he pins his ears back and goes. I don't remember Moss being asked to play in space, I certainly wasn't that high on him in the draft.

At present your are advocating BB trade Denver a 7th round pick in 2010 for a guy who has a salary over $2M. If he was cut and brought in for League minimum, that's one thing, trading for him is a bad move. So "all I'm saying" is "no, I don't want to trade for him." My money is on Denver cutting him and after tryouts with some desperate 4-3 teams, he's out of football.

No, that's NOT what I'm advocating. Your initial post simply said that 2 years of non-productivity at Denver and McDaniels not seeing much that he liked in one minicamp was adequate to assume that Moss wasn't worth following up on.I am advocating mainly that BB not merely assume (as most of the people commenting on this thread are assuming) that he is a bust because he hasn't done much in 2 years at 4-3 DE while injured with Denver and because McDaniels is willing to trade him cheaply, but takes a closer look at him himself. And I'm suggesting that IF BB sees something worth trying out that a 7th round pick and Moss' salary (which may possibly be restructured) isn't too high to rule it out.

As for which player he more resembles, I think Moss is closer to Maybin than to Barwin, though with better lateral range and pursuit ability, and better ability to clog the passing lanes. He was NOT someone who I felt nearly as strongly about as I felt about Barwin, but he WAS someone who I felt was worth looking at. The fact that he hasn't produced much while being injured at Denver doesn't change that for me.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

No, that's NOT what I'm advocating. Your initial post simply said that 2 years of non-productivity at Denver and McDaniels not seeing much that he liked in one minicamp was adequate to assume that Moss wasn't worth following up on.I am advocating mainly that BB not merely assume (as most of the people commenting on this thread are assuming) that he is a bust because he hasn't done much in 2 years at 4-3 DE while injured with Denver and because McDaniels is willing to trade him cheaply, but takes a closer look at him himself. And I'm suggesting that IF BB sees something worth trying out that a 7th round pick and Moss' salary (which may possibly be restructured) isn't too high to rule it out.

As for which player he more resembles, I think Moss is closer to Maybin than to Barwin, though with better lateral range and pursuit ability, and better ability to clog the passing lanes. He was NOT someone who I felt nearly as strongly about as I felt about Barwin, but he WAS someone who I felt was worth looking at. The fact that he hasn't produced much while being injured at Denver doesn't change that for me.

One mini-camp and TWO years of FILM from both games and practice. I'd say Josh can make a decision based on that data.

Why would BB have to assume anything? He has a Pro Scouting department, they have two years of film on Moss, plus his college film. BB doesn't need to assume Moss sucks because Josh thinks so, he can see the film and make up his own mind.

I don't expect NE to take an interest.

 

[RayClay]

Okay, Ill give it to ya. Crennel gave input, that input was never taken, and none of the players on that roster were there because of Crennel. It was ALWAYS Savage.

It still doesn't change the simple fact that because our ex-coaches dont want a player, its ridiculous to think the pats would find no use for them.

I wasn't saying that. Said before in the thread coaches, ex-Pats or no, all have different situations. Big difference between new team, new system and veteran well oiled machine.

 

[RayClay]

Which player does he compare to, Barwin or Maybin? I don't consider the two comparable so he's one or the other. Moss is a downhill player, he pins his ears back and goes. I don't remember Moss being asked to play in space, I certainly wasn't that high on him in the draft.

At present your are advocating BB trade Denver a 7th round pick in 2010 for a guy who has a salary over $2M. If he was cut and brought in for League minimum, that's one thing, trading for him is a bad move. So "all I'm saying" is "no, I don't want to trade for him." My money is on Denver cutting him and after tryouts with some desperate 4-3 teams, he's out of football.

Don't know if the Pats are interested, but if so what does a 7th round pick matter? If anything, it makes trivia quizzes easier when the question is, "who did the Pats pick?" in round 5,6 or 7 for any year after Koppen's.

"Uh, Lua, Ruud, uh......."

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Don't know if the Pats are interested, but if so what does a 7th round pick matter? If anything, it makes trivia quizzes easier when the question is, "who did the Pats pick?" in round 5,6 or 7 for any year after Koppen's.

"Uh, Lua, Ruud, uh......."

This is why we don't put you on the trivia team, Ruud was a 6th. :snob:

The 7th by itself is meaningless, but using a 7th for the privilege of assuming the salary of a player who failed at the position he was drafted to play strikes me as penny & pound foolish.

 

[RayClay]

This is why we don't put you on the trivia team, Ruud was a 6th. :snob:

The 7th by itself is meaningless, but using a 7th for the privilege of assuming the salary of a player who failed at the position he was drafted to play strikes me as penny & pound foolish.

Read the post Box....

it makes trivia quizzes easier when the question is, "who did the Pats pick?" in round 5,6 or 7 for any year after Koppen's.

Obviously, if he's not worth a look, he's not worth a look. I'm sure they have a book on him from college and have decided if he's a possible fit or not.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Read the post Box....



Obviously, if he's not worth a look, he's not worth a look. I'm sure they have a book on him from college and have decided if he's a possible fit or not.

Right, I need to get to the VA and get my new eyeglass prescription filled.

 

[RayClay]

Right, I need to get to the VA and get my new eyeglass prescription filled.

They either like Moss, or not. The Patriots don't just look at somebody because of their former draft position, they don't have time.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

They either like Moss, or not. The Patriots don't just look at somebody because of their former draft position, they don't have time.

'Zackly oh Ray of South Florida, this kid isn't a #17 overall struggling star, he's a fragile pass rusher who has been unable to get his assets in gear and make plays. Pass.

 

[TruthSeeker]

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[Rob0729]

Wow! Who would have thought in 2009 that Jarvis Moss would generate 8 pages worth of discussion on this board. I didn't think we could get that much discussion on the guy in March the year he was drafted.

 

[Deus Irae]

 

[DW Toys]

According to Profootballtalk, Denver is reportedly looking for only a 7th round pick for Moss, the 17th pick in the 2007 draft:

ProFootballTalk.com - Broncos Declaring Defeat On Jarvis Moss

Moss is 6'" 260# with nice speed and a terrific first step. Coming out in 2007 he had a 4.7 40 with a 1.52 second 10 yard split, 4.18 short shuttle, and 7.06 3-cone. He has nice speed in pursuit, is quick coming off the edge, and is good at getting his hands up to clog passing lanes. He's had only 3.5 sacks at DE for Denver in 2 years, and taking on blockers is not his strength.

I'm not saying this kid is ideal, but he had a lot of talent coming out of Florida, is young, and the reported price is cheap. Possibly worth a look? I'd personally take him over TBC as competition for Crable and Redd. He has the length and the speed.

Mayo, You are right. Why aren't we looking at this kid for a seventh versus Burgess for a third?
DW Toys

 

[TriplecHamp]

Mayo, You are right. Why aren't we looking at this kid for a seventh versus Burgess for a third?
DW Toys

Honestly I think it comes down to production. I also think that BB and company might shy away from him because Josh McDaniel's doesn't believe that he can make the switch. I would rather have Moss because he is younger and has more potential but I don't know if he would be an upgrade over wood Crable and company.

 

[mayoclinic]

Honestly I think it comes down to production. I also think that BB and company might shy away from him because Josh McDaniel's doesn't believe that he can make the switch. I would rather have Moss because he is younger and has more potential but I don't know if he would be an upgrade over wood Crable and company.

Moss is 25 vs. 30 for Burgess. He is 6'6" 260# with 4.65 speed and terrific pass rushing ability. His salary would be less than Burgess, and he is going into the 3rd year of a 5 year deal so there would not be the issue of having his contract up after 1 year, or his wanting a new deal. And the cost to acquire him would be a fraction of Burgess.

Obviously, Burgess had 2 great years for Oakland in 2005-2006. But I'm not convinced he is a natural OLB for us, he is coming off an injury, he is over 30, and he is unhappy in Oakland and wants a new deal. I think I'd rather take a chance on Moss.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Moss is 25 vs. 30 for Burgess. He is 6'6" 260# with 4.65 speed and terrific pass rushing ability. His salary would be less than Burgess, and he is going into the 3rd year of a 5 year deal so there would not be the issue of having his contract up after 1 year, or his wanting a new deal. And the cost to acquire him would be a fraction of Burgess.

Obviously, Burgess had 2 great years for Oakland in 2005-2006. But I'm not convinced he is a natural OLB for us, he is coming off an injury, he is over 30, and he is unhappy in Oakland and wants a new deal. I think I'd rather take a chance on Moss.

As would I but I'm not sure he would win the job over a Crable or wood but I still think we should take a shot on him because he is cheaper and even if he didn't start he would add depth.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

Moss is 25 vs. 30 for Burgess. He is 6'6" 260# with 4.65 speed and terrific pass rushing ability. His salary would be less than Burgess, and he is going into the 3rd year of a 5 year deal so there would not be the issue of having his contract up after 1 year, or his wanting a new deal. And the cost to acquire him would be a fraction of Burgess.

Obviously, Burgess had 2 great years for Oakland in 2005-2006. But I'm not convinced he is a natural OLB for us, he is coming off an injury, he is over 30, and he is unhappy in Oakland and wants a new deal. I think I'd rather take a chance on Moss.

Why not get both :confused2:

 

[NE39]

Moss is 25 vs. 30 for Burgess. He is 6'6" 260# with 4.65 speed and terrific pass rushing ability. His salary would be less than Burgess, and he is going into the 3rd year of a 5 year deal so there would not be the issue of having his contract up after 1 year, or his wanting a new deal. And the cost to acquire him would be a fraction of Burgess.

Obviously, Burgess had 2 great years for Oakland in 2005-2006. But I'm not convinced he is a natural OLB for us, he is coming off an injury, he is over 30, and he is unhappy in Oakland and wants a new deal. I think I'd rather take a chance on Moss.

He is also being dumped by a team with one of the worst defenses in the NFL last year that is desperate for an upgrade. Burgess had an off year last year and has had his share of injuries, but he also had 35 sacks from 2005 - 2007. That is a big difference.

I'm not sure Burgess is the answer, but I would think he would at least be able to be a situational rusher. Moss hasn't ever done anything, other than being drafted high.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Wow, Clay Matthews, Connor Barwin, Everette Brown. Any of them would be great right now. BB always has to do things the hard way and make us speculate and spend time posting and fighting to see who would fit better.