Schefter: Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

[Synovia]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

You have ONE example in how many years of the Franchise tag? Stop making it sound like its a regular occurance when its not.

I didn't say it was a regular occurance DaBruinz, and if you think I did, quote it.


I said it was an option. Nice strawman.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

Rob - If Cassel gets a long term deal that pays him anywhere less than 7.5 mill a year (on average), his agents need their head examined. The third round comp starts at about 6.5 million. The factors you mentioned are generally taken into consideration if the pick falls on the line between rounds.

And, while technically its an assumption, AdamJT13 is running at around 95% accuracy on his picks. I think you'll be hard pressed to get closer than that.

Also, I don't disagree with you. I think this talk of the Pats having the ability to rescind the tag is just a way for people to scratch and claw at anything to make themselves feel good about their erroneous stances.

I am not doubting AdamJT13. He knows his stuff. I admit I don't know a lot about compensatory picks beyond what I already stated. So I will just defer and say that I was wrong.

And as you agree with me on, whatever the compensatory pick would be it is ultimately irrelevant to the discussions that the Pats would have resinded the tender within a month and taken the compensatory pick.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

Synovia - All you can honestly say is that the deal with the Chiefs doesn't happen at quickly as it did if Cassel doesn't sign the tag. You can't guarantee that it wouldn't EVER get done. For all we know, the Pats could have done the deal later with Cassel agreeing to a long term extension. There are numerous possibilities.

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Now, if Cassel hadn't signed the tender, then yes, there would be the slight possibility for the Pats to rescind the tag. And we could speculate on all sorts of BS reasons. But they'd still be BS... So why bother?

If we're going to speculate on what could happen if Cassel didn't sign the tag....why shouldn't we....speculate on what would happen if Cassel didn't sign the tag.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

I heard the interview, I think Cassel and his agent understood that by signing the contract that he could be traded without being asked. They were just surprised that they were not informed of the trade until it had actualy happend.

In the end his agent got him $14.6 M guaranteed, a starting job and a chance to hit free agency in an uncapped year. Or they could turn around and sign a long-term deal with the Chiefs. Doesn't sound that that bad of a spot to me.

In the end, Cassel is the one who got himself the 14.61 million deal because of playing well after Brady was injured. A schmuck like FinsFan4ever couldn't have screwed that up..

About next year, as it stands now, it will be uncapped. However, teams get to franchise /transition 2 players. Also, any player who has less than 6 years in the league can be tendered as a restricted free agent. For Cassel, that would mean a 1 year offer of 16.02 million. Which would essentially be making him a franchised player since it would require a 1st and 3rd round comp to sign him.

From a money stand-point, its great. However, from a future standpoint, an injury this year would take 16 million off the table... That a pretty big sum to be playing with.

 

[bucky]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

Thank you, BUCKY. I am not some ignorant schmuck that didn't know when free agency started. Free agency started at 12:01 AM Friday Morning. The Vrabel deal, which had to be completed on Friday to get the Pats off the hook for the Roster bonus due Vrabel on the 28th, was announced that afternoon. That Cassel was apart of the deal wasn't announced until Saturday afternoon on the 28th. So there was better than 36 hours of free agency that had occured prior to the announcement.

As for Cassel being under the misconception, it came out last week during interveiws that the Patriots had not "consulted" him about what teams he was interested in. It was on the NFLN interveiw. And it was mentioned by the Globe as well. This was talked about on this site. And it was clear from that interview that Cassel didn't understand everything that occured when he signed the franchise tender.

I didn't say you're an ignorant schmuck. I will; however, say that you're a pompous know it all who posts like the world's greatest authority on football, but is in fact very far from being one.

First of all, according to Miguel's page, Vrabel's roster bonus was due on March 2nd - not Feb 28th as you claim so assuredly.

Second, the Vrabel deal wasn't "announced" on Friday. It broke that he was in KC and Vrabel confirmed that he had been traded, but the only deal that was "officially announced", was the one deal that we're all familiar with.

And finally, just because the Cassell deal was announced on Saturday, doesn't mean it was agreed to on that day. Just like the deal Mike Wright signed - it was announced yesterday, but agreed to several days ago. There's no way for us to know that for sure. But let's not pretend that your opinion is an actual fact.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

If we're going to speculate on what could happen if Cassel didn't sign the tag....why shouldn't we....speculate on what would happen if Cassel didn't sign the tag.

Why waste the energy on speculating on something that didn't happen? Its not productive and there are literally millions of variations that could have happened. So its a wasted exercise.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

Why waste the energy on speculating on something that didn't happen? Its not productive and there are literally millions of variations that could have happened. So its a wasted exercise.

By that argument, this entire forum is a wasted exercise DaBruinz.

 

[borg]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

Why waste the energy on speculating on something that didn't happen? Its not productive and there are literally millions of variations that could have happened. So its a wasted exercise.

Nothing like getting a lesson in productivity from someone with 11,000+ posts in a fan forum. I will now insert a so that you may only unleash a few hounds in my direction.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

By that argument, this entire forum is a wasted exercise DaBruinz.

Only if you are stupid enough to extrapolate to an infinite degree. Which people like yourself tend to do as an over-reaction.

Why don't you just deal with the fact that Cassel signed the franchise tender and that it helped the Patriots move him that much quicker. And that it seems that there are mixed reports as to whether or not he fully understood what signing the tender that early meant.

Speculating in whether rescinding the tag was ever an option is a moot point. It was never in play that we will ever know of.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

Borg - While you are correct that teams have retracted the tender offer, I think that you'll find that most did so because they came to terms with that player prior to the start of free agency. I can't think of a single scenario where a team pulled the tender and the player walked. If you have an example, please share it.

I have to disagree with you that Cassel signing the tender FORCED the Patriots to move quicker than they wanted. In fact, I am going to submit the opposite. I think that Cassel signing the tender ALLOWED the Pats to move more quickly and get the players they wanted. Had Cassel not signed the tender, no team would have traded for him without a long term deal. That ties up 14.61 million of the Pats and takes away a lot of their leverage. The tender being signed allowed them to ship Cassel wherever they wanted. The fact that they shipped him and Vrabel to KC during the 1st week of free agency. This freed up over 18 million in cap space and allowed the Pats to make an even bigger splash into free agency than they anticipated.

2006 Corey Simon signed with the Colts in July after the Eagles rescinded the tag because they had concerns about his motivation long term and no takers in trade... Polian got raped on that deal. $13M for a handful of games in 2006...One of the few times he opted to sign a big ticket FA.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

Nothing like getting a lesson in productivity from someone with 11,000+ posts in a fan forum. I will now insert a so that you may only unleash a few hounds in my direction.

You know how you can tell when someone has lost an argument? The resort to talking about a person's post count. And it generally means that they can't find anything useful to bring to the conversation so they have to be petty.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

You know how you can tell when someone has lost an argument? The resort to talking about a person's post count. And it generally means that they can't find anything useful to bring to the conversation so they have to be petty.

LOL Or they try to change the subject and turn back onto the poster who corrected them.

Stop it DB. You were wrong about rescinding tags and wrong about the timing on Vrabel's bonus.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

Only if you are stupid enough to extrapolate to an infinite degree. Which people like yourself tend to do as an over-reaction.

Why don't you just deal with the fact that Cassel signed the franchise tender and that it helped the Patriots move him that much quicker. And that it seems that there are mixed reports as to whether or not he fully understood what signing the tender that early meant.

I love how you're arguing against things I never said. Great.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

I didn't say you're an ignorant schmuck. I will; however, say that you're a pompous know it all who posts like the world's greatest authority on football, but is in fact very far from being one.

You're entitled to your opinion, however worthless it is. Too bad its so far from the truth you wouldn't know it if it smacked you up side the head with a 4x4. I don't pretend to know a lot about football. I do happen to know a lot and am constantly trying to improve my knowledge.

First of all, according to Miguel's page, Vrabel's roster bonus was due on March 2nd - not Feb 28th as you claim so assuredly.

Miguel has been known to be wrong. If I am wrong on the date, I will freely admit it. However, the articles that came out on the 27th and 28th were the ones that stated that the Vrabel deal had to be done then so the Pats wouldn't be responsible for the roster bonus.

Second, the Vrabel deal wasn't "announced" on Friday. It broke that he was in KC and Vrabel confirmed that he had been traded, but the only deal that was "officially announced", was the one deal that we're all familiar with.

And finally, just because the Cassell deal was announced on Saturday, doesn't mean it was agreed to on that day. Just like the deal Mike Wright signed - it was announced yesterday, but agreed to several days ago. There's no way for us to know that for sure. But let's not pretend that your opinion is an actual fact.

Who said that my opinion was fact? Not I. Nor did I pretend that it was. What you seem to not be able to tell the difference from is fact and opinion. You might want to work on that some.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

I love how you're arguing against things I never said. Great.

I love how you just make stuff up. Keep up the good job there, Synovia. It goes great with all your speculation.

 

[borg]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

You know how you can tell when someone has lost an argument? The resort to talking about a person's post count. And it generally means that they can't find anything useful to bring to the conversation so they have to be petty.

What ever keeps you going, buddy. While your at it, how about expanding upon how you "know so much about a lot". Is it petty for me to want to learn about your self proclaimed expertise on "a lot".

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

What ever keeps you going, buddy. While your at it, how about expanding upon how you "know so much about a lot". Is it petty for me to want to learn about your self proclaimed expertise on "a lot".

Where did I say I was an expert. I said that I knew a lot. You can know a lot and not be an expert. I've never claimed to be an expert, nor will I ever. Its amazing how people like yourself have to exaggerate what is said and basically LIE to try an prove some BS point.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

I agree with this 100%.

Cassel is still in the catbird seat.

He has $14.7 mil in the bank. Next year he can sign a long term deal with a $20 mil signing bonus.

Others hear may think he got screwed because he is a one-year wonder, but Cassel obviously has confidence in his abilities, and so does his former OC and his former (and current) personnel man known for his sharpness in evaluating talent.

All this does is give BSPN, the Herald and the ATH guys a chance to demonize BB for "screwing over" yet another faithful employee.

You've seen Cassel's KC interview. Did he look pissed? Even if he was, that is the difference between a real QB and a punk like Cutler. A real QB is a leader of men and acts like one, earning their respect. Cutler is a self-absorbed prima donna whom players cannot count on to do what is in their best interet (ie, giving them the best chance to win by not showing up at mini-camp)

Here, here!

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

2006 Corey Simon signed with the Colts in July after the Eagles rescinded the tag because they had concerns about his motivation long term and no takers in trade... Polian got raped on that deal. $13M for a handful of games in 2006...One of the few times he opted to sign a big ticket FA.

I forgot about Simon. It is weird. There are only two franchised players who got their tender rescinded (Simon and Trotter) that I know of and both were by the Eagles. I can't think of a single other franchised player who had his tender rescinded.

 

[Shockt327]

Re: Adam Schefter Cassel misunderstood what signing the tender meant

Not completely true: they would have received a 3rd round comp pick for him.

Rescinding the tag is on par with releasing the player. When you rescind the tag you lose any right to a comp pick. Anyway, that's what I believe the rule is.