If JM only had a brain

[wdkantro2]

I am a McDaniels basher...and even I have to tip my cap to him after yesterday. The draws to Faulk from the shotgun are fine with me. When they do them on third down (which I don't think they did yesterday), it means they feel throwing for the first and risking a turnover is too big of a risk, and they try to set up a field goal or an easier punt.
The hand-offs to Faulk with Cassel under center against a DL as good as the Jets' is nonsensical, though.
But in all, the Pats moved the ball effortlessly all day. They couldn't get in the end zone the first two drives and the Heath Evans dive on 4th down isn't a good call, IMO, but other than that, the Jets had no answer for the Pats offense.
And this Jets defense is pretty legitimate, it is a 7-3 team after all. 500+ yards and 31 points against one of the league's better teams and you are complaining about the guy who helped put those points up. Wow.

 

[BradyToMoss]

Dude, how about when he took the ball out of Cassel's hands and literally killed his great 3rd quarter drive with that 4 yard blow up loss on the "Everyone knew it was coming" Heath Evans dive play. What the F was that? I saw the formation, Kris Jenkins saw the formation, Eric the Rat saw the formation, everyone knew it was coming. Killed the drive, 4th and 5 and time to punt.

C'mon Josh, can you get a little creative on that critical play ? A Cassel roll out, maybe a boot leg, anything JM, but not the Heath Evans fullback lose yardage dive play.........

 

[maverick4]

Dude, how about when he took the ball out of Cassel's hands and literally killed his great 3rd quarter drive with that 4 yard blow up loss on the "Everyone knew it was coming" Heath Evans dive play. What the F was that? I saw the formation, Kris Jenkins saw the formation, Eric the Rat saw the formation, everyone knew it was coming. Killed the drive, 4th and 5 and time to punt.

C'mon Josh, can you get a little creative on that critical play ? A Cassel roll out, maybe a boot leg, anything JM, but not the Heath Evans fullback lose yardage dive play.........

I forgot about that.
That was flat out ******ed.

Sometimes he telegraphs way too many plays.

 

[Rob0729]

Dude, how about when he took the ball out of Cassel's hands and literally killed his great 3rd quarter drive with that 4 yard blow up loss on the "Everyone knew it was coming" Heath Evans dive play. What the F was that? I saw the formation, Kris Jenkins saw the formation, Eric the Rat saw the formation, everyone knew it was coming. Killed the drive, 4th and 5 and time to punt.

C'mon Josh, can you get a little creative on that critical play ? A Cassel roll out, maybe a boot leg, anything JM, but not the Heath Evans fullback lose yardage dive play.........

That was a signiture Charlie Weis call. He'd call it all the time and it would work about 10% of the time. I hated it when Weis used to do it and I hated it when McDaniels did it.

But you don't judge an OC on individual calls. You can look at every coordinator's calls in every game and point to individual calls that are horrible even on third downs. When an OC calls a game that gets 511 yards and 31 points, it is a little silly to point to one or two calls and say he is making stupid calls.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

You guys mocked me for three + years when I drooled over Cassel, and in multiple posts you mock my dislike of Josh McDaniels, but every worm gets a turn. Or something like that.

Yeah, I know the defense let us down Thursday, and I firmly believe that if we had won the toss or if the defense stopped Favre on 3rd and 15, Cassel would have won the game in spite of McDaniels.

So don't bother pointing that out unless you are anal to the point you can't help yourself.

The defense has significant problems they are fighting through. Good for them.

The offense is hamstrung; they are like an army with an imcompetent general. They can win individual skirishes by their outstanding valor, but they will lose the battle every time due to poor leadership.

By all means, shore up the defense. But concurrently, remove the weak link from the coaching staff.

As a minimum, put one of those dog training collars around McDaniels neck, and every time he makes Cassel hand Faulk the ball from a shotgun formation, press the zap button. If it is third and long, hold the button down a LONG time.


Until then, the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz is called plays (nice guy, but straw for brains).


If He Only Had a Brain

From Shotgun run a draw,
It’s called McDaniels Law:
Then run it once again

The defense is going to screw us,
Because by now they are wise to us
'Cause we’ll run it once again


They’re clogging up the middle,
But to Josh it’s still a riddle,
His brain has vapor lock

Don’t throw it deep to Moss,
Or let him run across
Just run a draw with Faulk.


He’s just another nuffin’
His head is full of stuffin’
He causes us fans pain

There’d be a smile upon face,
And we’d be in the Playoff Race
If Josh only had a brain

Is this a joke, or are you seriously forgetting to take your meds?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Is this a joke, or are you seriously forgetting to take your meds?

It's like space has had some sort of psychotic break following the Indy game and now he's embarassing his former self by posting threads that only the children Ian created the PS for find solace in...

 

[stcjones]

Only looked brilliant because of his ineptitude in the first half.

BB's been saying we need to turn drives into TDs instead of FGs, yet all our drives are the same when we reach inside the 30 yard line. Run, run, screen/draw, then kick the FG. The pattern is obvious. Last night, in our first drive, on 3rd and 5, I posted, "this will be a draw" and it was. The Jets stacked the line and Faulk got dropped. If I could see that coming, you don't think the other teams D coordinator doesn't see the trend? It took for our team to be down 24-6 before finally McD opened up the offense and stopped calling a conservative game.

I don't know if they think they can win with FGs because they think our defense is stout, but that's not the case. It's not 2001 and we're not going to win a lot of 16-10 games. The rules are now skewed towards the offense, specifically receivers. Good teams will be scoring in bunches. It's time for McD to realize this.

Good post......

"on 3rd and 5, I posted, "this will be a draw" ....

Yeah....you me.....and the many friends of other teams (no jest fans....wouldn't allow that sh$t in my house) that watched the game all saw that coming as well.....Pats have become so predictable in certain situations that it is laughable,.....and so many fans here want to give this guy a pass.....I think he is poor in any creativity and imaginative plays....and extremely slow to make adjustments.......McD...and the offense have been playing very tight......ultra conservative........that is no way to win football games with this defense we have out there right now........

 

[Ghost of Ben Dreith]

Hey Tweedle Dum. Yep! If the Pats didn't have McDaniels, they could have scored a drive at the end and brought that game into overtime.

Before you go into your typical rants of stupidity. McDaniels had brilliant second half adjustments. Called a crucial game tying TD at the end of the game. Threw down the field to Moss. Wasn't conservative in the red zone in the second half.

I think his comments are more from this game only. I'm not a McDaniels basher, not a backer though either, but if you think he calls a great game, or even a good game, usually.....I have to disagree based on 1 thing only.

When I, sitting on my arse in front of the TV, with no scouting department or time spent in disecting the Pats offense, can call out a good number of plays....it means the OC is predictable. Except for now and then, McDaniels calls a pretty predicatble game. Maybe now.....10 games into the season, he will give Cassell some free reign.

 

[tedylb]

Good post......

"on 3rd and 5, I posted, "this will be a draw" ....

Yeah....you me.....and the many friends of other teams (no jest fans....wouldn't allow that sh$t in my house) that watched the game all saw that coming as well.....Pats have become so predictable in certain situations that it is laughable,.....and so many fans here want to give this guy a pass.....I think he is poor in any creativity and imaginative plays....and extremely slow to make adjustments.......McD...and the offense have been playing very tight......ultra conservative........that is no way to win football games with this defense we have out there right now........

This thread reminds me of the many "experts" here who insisted that Cassel be cut before Tom went down.

JM inheirited a kid who had never played a meaningful snap in college or the NFL, and has turned him into a more than competent starter. Does Josh get all the credit? Of course not. But don't forget, he didn't give up 34 points last night, didn't cause Watson's fumble or the bad snap from center. Did JM call some bad plays? Sure. But he should get some credit for 500 yards and 31 points.

So all of you armchair all-pros who think you can call an error-free game, please rush your resumes to BB. I'm sure you'll get all the attention you deserve,

 

[DSal]

Good post......

"on 3rd and 5, I posted, "this will be a draw" ....

Yeah....you me.....and the many friends of other teams (no jest fans....wouldn't allow that sh$t in my house) that watched the game all saw that coming as well.....Pats have become so predictable in certain situations that it is laughable,.....and so many fans here want to give this guy a pass.....I think he is poor in any creativity and imaginative plays....and extremely slow to make adjustments.......McD...and the offense have been playing very tight......ultra conservative........that is no way to win football games with this defense we have out there right now........

So, because you can recall 1 play that was a poor decision, and you can make a general statement as to his creativity , you feel that he did a poor job coaching? It was a 2 score game until the Jets went up 24-6. You can still go conservative all control on a 2 score game in the first half. Once the offense got the ball with the score 24-6 the Pats made the adjustment and opened up the offense, coming into the 2nd half of a 2 score game. He kept the spread in because 2 scores in the second half require a more urgent approach. Because of the adjustments the game went to OT.

Of course I'll never forgive Josh MacDaniels for calling the pplays that call for Ben Watson to fumble the ball, Jabar Gaffney to drop the pass, and Dan Koppen to snap the ball before his qb is ready to take it. Damn you Josh :singing::singing::singing:

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Amazing that these threads can exist in a week when we put 31 points on the board against the JETS while losing the turnover battle and without any turnovers from a dinosaur gunslinger who playing conservatively himself only managed 2 TD tosses to boot...in a game where his team still managed to put 31 up in regulation (augmented by superior ST play)...

I had every confidence at the end of that game that if we won the toss we'd win the game...only we lost the toss...and could not stop the JETS on third and long...

If only posters here had a brain or used it...

With the defense we have right now the last thing we want to do is turn the ball over. Or give up great field position on ST. Or make costly mental errors that land us in 3rd and forever... But we did all that Thursday night and that is why we lost. Josh didn't inexplicably fumble or snap the ball to nowhere or miss countless ST tackles. All he was orchestrate two less than two minute TD drives at the end of each half and call a game where our QB who hadn't started since HS threw for 3 TD's and 400 yards. If that's your definition of brainless, look in the mirror.

 

[Rob0729]

I think his comments are more from this game only. I'm not a McDaniels basher, not a backer though either, but if you think he calls a great game, or even a good game, usually.....I have to disagree based on 1 thing only.

When I, sitting on my arse in front of the TV, with no scouting department or time spent in disecting the Pats offense, can call out a good number of plays....it means the OC is predictable. Except for now and then, McDaniels calls a pretty predicatble game. Maybe now.....10 games into the season, he will give Cassell some free reign.

This predictabilty thing is overstated. McDaniels is no more predictable than any other OC.

Weis was predictable too. The first play he would call when the Pats got the ball after a turnover was always a deep pass to try to go for the juggular. If the Pats had a 3rd and short in the open field, it was almost always a FB draw (which was why he had such a hard time converting third downs in 2003 in particular).

I can watch any game this weekend and call out a good number of plays especially if I am familiar with the team's offense. It isn't like teams use hundreds of different types of plays in a game. A good OC's job is not to be unpredictable, it is to put the offense in the best position to score. That could mean that they find a weakness in the other team's defense and exploits it. If you find the weakness, you can be very predictable and still be very effective. I much rather watch a game where the opposing defense knows what the Pats are going to throw at them and they cannot find a way to stop it.

That's why the Pats lost the AFC championship game two years ago the Colts. The Colts' offense was very, very predictable in the second half of that game. It was going to be a Addai/Rhodes run or a throw to Dallas Clark over the middle on almost every play. Eventhough the Pats knew exactly what was coming at them, they still gave up 35 second half points.

 

[JoeSixPat]

There's some middle ground here guys... look at the first half and you'll see very little working in terms of what the Patriots were trying to do against the Jets.

While McDaniels deserves some blame for that I also didn't think the execution was what it should be and overall the team did not look to be playing with high energy (and no I don't have "proof" of how much energy or inspiration they were playing with)

So they're down 24-6... and what plays did McDaniels call for? A lot of pass plays.

I'm not quite sure I'd term that "brilliant" - that's Football 101. So give McDaniels credit for choosing not to run the clock out to speed the pace of a loss if you want but I'd think anyone would have aired the ball out in the 2nd half.

I give the Jets defense a lot of credit for our comeback too - and MangIdiot. They seemed to adopt a "bend but don't break" philosophy that actually did "break" and allow the Pats back in the Game. If I were Woody Johnson I'd fire Mangini and hire the Coin that landed Tails.

So I think in terms of Analysis of playcalling, the focus should be on how or why we could only score 6 points for such a long stretch - and while I haven't really analyzed the playcalling it seems to me poor execution played a role in that.

 

[Patslifer]

It's like space has had some sort of psychotic break following the Indy game and now he's embarassing his former self by posting threads that only the children Ian created the PS for find solace in...

You're soooooooooo mature, and such a better fan than mo Homer.

 

[pats1]

NEM? Is that you?

Weird how these things work, ain't it?

 

[billdog3484]

the only game i can remeber where i believe mcdaniels was really horrible was the super bowl. i think thursday, our offense was prolific. gotta give the guy some credit for that

 

[PATSNUTme]

What these OC and DC bashers fail to understand is that they serve at the pleasure if BB. He also gets every play that is called and can over rule at any time. If it is so plain to see that JM and DP suck, then BB can replace of take over.

So the title of those threads should be,"if BB only had a brain".

 

[spacecrime]

Is this a joke, or are you seriously forgetting to take your meds?

Well, the song was a joke, but I don't like JM. I don't like that he never seems to amke adjustments but sticks with whatever the game plan was, whether it is working or not.

To me, he is another Mike Martz, with terrific numbers but a fatal flaw.

 

[Ian]

Can we not dig up these old threads? - that would be great.