We're through week 6, Neal?

[ScottieC]

There are enough references to show there exist confusion about this.
Not saying you are wrong but proof is in the pudding as they say.

Rather than a two moth old article show me an article tomorrow about
Jurevicius being actived off PUP. Or better yet, one of PATs pup guys
now practicing. At least one should be if you are right.

Goodness. 6 Weeks = 6 Weeks, 6 Games = 6 Games.

I'm done. Sorry for the confusion. Don't ask Felger to clarify.

And of course I may be dead wrong.

From the NFLPA - Concerning pay:

Section 2. Physically Unable to Perform: Any player placed on a Physically Unable to Perform list (“PUP”) will be paid his full salary while on such list. His contract will not be tolled for the period he is on PUP, except in the last year of his contract, when the player’s contract will be tolled if he is still physically unable to perform his football services as of the sixth regular season game.

This is about pay exclusively.

Here's one by Len Pasquarelli:

Key statement:

By definition, Jones must sit out the first six weeks of the regular season if he goes onto the PUP list. Because the Lions have a bye week in that stretch, he could conceivably miss only five games.

Link: ESPN - Jones likely to go on PUP list, miss at least five games - NFL

Again the confusion seems to lie in the NFLPA definition based on PAY and of course the Wiki entry that seems to be wrong as well.

I think that it has led to widespread confusion. Even among the Football "experts".

Again, I could be wrong.

 

[pats1]

Sorry, I was wrong.

To quote, um, myself:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ebster-eckel-wendell-released.html#post981071

 

[JR4]

Sorry, I was wrong.

To quote, um, myself:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ebster-eckel-wendell-released.html#post981071

So in Chris Price checked it out and it is 6 games not 6 weeks.

Originally Posted by Christopher_Price
It's my understanding that it is six weeks, not six games.

EDIT. That's my goof--just double-checked. Pats1 is correct--six games.

hey ScottieC, I guess you are "dead wrong" on this
... that's Ok we still love ya

 

[jmt57]

Well, I am now officially confused on this debate. From what BB said in today's press conference, it sounds like he is under the impression that it is six weeks, not six games.

Bill Belichick Q&A, 10/14 : Chris Price - New England Patriots Blog

A roster related question - Can the clock start on the PUP players Stephen Neal and Oliver Ross if you wanted it to? Yes. That is correct.

Do you anticipate that happening now? We will go through our final workouts with them today. I think that there is a pretty good chance that we will start practicing them this week, yes.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Well, I am now officially confused on this debate. From what BB said in today's press conference, it sounds like he is under the impression that it is six weeks, not six games.

Bill Belichick Q&A, 10/14 : Chris Price - New England Patriots Blog

Whoa! So am I!

If BB screws the pooch on this thing and has 'em out on the field a week early, we'll probably lose ALL our '09 draft picks!

 

[Deus Irae]

Ok, I called the NFL league office since there's some real confusion on this.........

Answer, according to the person I spoke to there:

Week 6, not game 6

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Ok, I called the NFL league office since there's some real confusion on this.........

Answer, according to the person I spoke to there:

Week 6, not game 6

Yeh, but they were all busy with the Adam Jones saga and were doubtlessly distracted and more likely to give out misleading information just to get you out of their hair. If only you were easier to get along with and didn't make people feel all defensive about their futbol acumen.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Ok, I called the NFL league office since there's some real confusion on this.........

Answer, according to the person I spoke to there:

Week 6, not game 6

Deus you should know better. They have caller i.d. and as soon as they knew you were from New England, they gave you false info.

 

[ScottieC]

Ok, I called the NFL league office since there's some real confusion on this.........

Answer, according to the person I spoke to there:

Week 6, not game 6

I've been sayin'!!!

Anyway - Again, my understanding, from a former Player, is that it is in fact 6 WEEKS Under the NFL Rules...HOWEVER seeing how those rules seem to be posted NOWHERE on the web BUT if you have an NFL fact book, which I don't, he seems to think that it's in there - The only "official" explanation of PUP is in the NFLPA website, which the explanation is based on PAY, because players are NOT paid for a bye week so their definition is Games and not weeks, due to pay.

 

[ScottieC]

Deus you should know better. They have caller i.d. and as soon as they knew you were from New England, they gave you false info.

Well, That's true.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I've been sayin'!!!

Anyway - Again, my understanding, from a former Player, is that it is in fact 6 WEEKS Under the NFL Rules...HOWEVER seeing how those rules seem to be posted NOWHERE on the web BUT if you have an NFL fact book, which I don't, he seems to think that it's in there - The only "official" explanation of PUP is in the NFLPA website, which the explanation is based on PAY, because players are NOT paid for a bye week so their definition is Games and not weeks, due to pay.

That would explain everything except players ARE paid for the bye week!!! LOL Their salary is divided into 17ths. I even recall recently there was a problem with suspending Plex for a week because at the time the Giants were heading into the bye. What happened was he got PAID for the bye and then not for the following week when they sat him...

 

[ScottieC]

That would explain everything except players ARE paid for the bye week!!! LOL Their salary is divided into 17ths. I even recall recently there was a problem with suspending Plex for a week because at the time the Giants were heading into the bye. What happened was he got PAID for the bye and then not for the following week when they sat him...

Goodness, another controversy.

Are you sure about that? I was told that they get game checks and it's broken into 16ths.

 

[Zeke_Mowatt]

And this whole thread really brings up the question: Why does the NFL treat its rulebook like they were the Illuminati or the Masons (or both )? I just don't understand why nothing is out there for public viewing...after all, we do kinda pay for the whole thing, right? Why the secrecy NFL?

 

[ScottieC]

And this whole thread really brings up the question: Why does the NFL treat its rulebook like they were the Illuminati or the Masons (or both )? I just don't understand why nothing is out there for public viewing...after all, we do kinda pay for the whole thing, right? Why the secrecy NFL?

Great question.

Anyone have a current version of the 2008 NFL Rules and Fact Book?

Pats1? Miguel?

 

[pats1]

Great question.

Anyone have a current version of the 2008 NFL Rules and Fact Book?

Pats1? Miguel?

There's a PDF of the 2007 rulebook out there somewhere. Just forget where.

 

[JSn]

Good site for info:
NFL Players Association

2. Physically Unable to Perform (PUP)
A player who fails his club’s pre-season physical at the start of training camp may be placed by his club on the Physically Unable to Perform list. A player on PUP is eligible to receive his salary, but he is ineligible to participate in practices or games. However, a player on PUP is permitted to practice with his club and may be restored his club’s Active/Inactive list during a three-week period beginning the day after the sixth regular-season game and ending after the ninth regular-season game.

And for policies, etc...

NFL Players Association - Policies and Rules

Research, it does a brain good.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Good job.
I stand corrected.

 

[Deus Irae]

Well, since they are practicing today, we seem to have our answer fairly definitively:

Weeks, not games

 

[Jimke]

Well, since they are practicing today, we seem to have our answer fairly definitively:

Weeks, not games

Probably because of bye weeks. Teams who have not had a bye week

have played the required six games.

 

[jmt57]

Goodness, another controversy.

Are you sure about that? I was told that they get game checks and it's broken into 16ths.

My understanding is it's 1/17. Example of the practical reason for that is Roy Williams, who already had a bye with the Lions, and will have another bye week now that he's with the Cowboys.