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    Now that we're through wk6 we get to finally find out what's going on (as much as we ever do) with Neal. I seriously hope he makes a quick and full return and can stay healthy because the right side of that line needs the help. or am I wrong on this and because the bye came before wk6 can he not come off PUP until next week?
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    He can start practicing as of today. He has through Week 9 to start practicing, and then another 21 days after he starts practicing to be activated.
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    They would either have to take him off PUP or IR him. If they take him off PUP then he has 3 weeks to become active or IR.

    Let's hope he is ready to play.
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    No, I think it's the 6th WEEK of the regular season. 6th game seems odd and arbitrary, what if your bye was in week 9? That's a competitive advantage to have a late Bye with a key player on PUP - Does not make sense.
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    Or cut....NOT that they would do that...but that is another option..
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    Are you sure pats1?

    I started a thread sunday about this and I think it was that pissah guy that
    said he can't start parcticing until after PATs 6th game not week 6.
    Who knows the facts here? :confused::confused:
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    * PUP list: Physically Unable to Perform -
    this List designates players with serious injuries that will keep them from being able to start a season on the 53-man protected list but may be able to return to the roster during the regular season. The players must be placed on this roster at or before the league-wide 65-man summer roster cutdown to be eligible for this designation, and they must stay on this list for at least the first six weeks of the regular season. After this time teams have 3 weeks to evaluate such players after which each such player must be placed on the 53-man roster, season-ending Injured Reserve (IR) or waivers.
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    This is from Miguel's site....

    Miguel's Frequently Asked Questions Page

    This article from the Browns site seems to confirm this:

    Cleveland Browns | Bentley placed on PUP list

    I hope this has been of some help.
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    Well here is a reference that it is not until after the clubs 6th game.

    an agent and Fegler column:
    Re: 53 man roster as it stands today???
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    I hear ya, but that's wrong. Dead wrong.

    What I posted was from the NFLPA.

    Think about it logically, and I'm NOT saying that you are not - But if you have a LATE bye in the season then you have a competitive advantage against a team with a EARLY bye - With regards to players on PUP.

    See, Felger is an idiot and he's wrong. ;)
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    Well, I called the NFLPA legal department and got shuffled around. Then I ended up getting a voice mail. I wish I could be more definitive with the answer, sorry.
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    Ahhh HAH!!!

    Here is where the confusion comes from - The WIKIPEDIA explanation!!!

    Which is wrong as well. Tell Felger to stop using Wikipedia to answer questions and give the appearance of intelligence.

    "Physically Unable to Perform is the term for a rule in the National Football League which allows teams to designate players as "Physically Unable to Perform" or "PUP". Once they are designated as such, they are prohibited from practicing with the team. They can, however, rehabilitate and participate in team meetings. If a player begins training camp on the PUP list, they can be moved to the active roster at any time, even after one practice. A player is not allowed to be placed on the PUP list if they start training camp on the active roster.

    A player who begins the season on the PUP list must sit out his team's first six games. After that point, the player is allowed to practice with the team through Week 10 of the NFL season, and can be activated any time within that window. If the player is not activated by Week 10, he must stop practicing and is unavailable to be moved to the active roster for the remainder of the season."
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    Holy crap, Dude - I gave you the NFLPA explanation.

    Whatever.
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    Not sure about the competitive advantage.

    If a team only has to do without a player for 5 weeks instead of 6
    that is not a disadvantage.

    By making the rule mean after the teams 6th regular season game then
    all teams would have to do without their PUP players for at least 6 games
    NO MATTER when their bye week was. That's also logical! ;)
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    Why on earth would you jump on me about this?
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    but .... the phrase
    "first six weeks of the regular season"
    may have been clarified to mean the teams 6 regular season weeks
    which a bye week is not part of.
    Need to see all NFL references to this rule
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    Eh?

    Let me try and explain this very easily.

    Under Felger's rule, we get Neil Back AFTER next weeks game - in the 7th week.

    Whereas any team with a bye AFTER week 6 gets him back THIS week.

    See?

    Try this story out.

    Jurevicius placed on PUP, will miss first six weeks of season

    Their Bye was the 5th week.
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    I'm not. :)
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    There are enough references to show there exist confusion about this.
    Not saying you are wrong but proof is in the pudding as they say.

    Rather than a two moth old article show me an article tomorrow about
    Jurevicius being actived off PUP. Or better yet, one of PATs pup guys
    now practicing. At least one should be if you are right.
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    Goodness. 6 Weeks = 6 Weeks, 6 Games = 6 Games.

    I'm done. Sorry for the confusion. Don't ask Felger to clarify.

    And of course I may be dead wrong.

    From the NFLPA - Concerning pay:

    Section 2. Physically Unable to Perform: Any player placed on a Physically Unable to Perform list (“PUP”) will be paid his full salary while on such list. His contract will not be tolled for the period he is on PUP, except in the last year of his contract, when the player’s contract will be tolled if he is still physically unable to perform his football services as of the sixth regular season game.

    This is about pay exclusively.

    Here's one by Len Pasquarelli:

    Key statement:

    By definition, Jones must sit out the first six weeks of the regular season if he goes onto the PUP list. Because the Lions have a bye week in that stretch, he could conceivably miss only five games.


    Link: ESPN - Jones likely to go on PUP list, miss at least five games - NFL

    Again the confusion seems to lie in the NFLPA definition based on PAY and of course the Wiki entry that seems to be wrong as well.

    I think that it has led to widespread confusion. Even among the Football "experts".

    Again, I could be wrong.
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    So in Chris Price checked it out and it is 6 games not 6 weeks.

    hey ScottieC, I guess you are "dead wrong" on this :rolleyes:
    ... that's Ok we still love ya ;)
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    Well, I am now officially confused on this debate. From what BB said in today's press conference, it sounds like he is under the impression that it is six weeks, not six games.

    Bill Belichick Q&A, 10/14 : Chris Price - New England Patriots Blog

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    Whoa! So am I!

    If BB screws the pooch on this thing and has 'em out on the field a week early, we'll probably lose ALL our '09 draft picks!
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    Ok, I called the NFL league office since there's some real confusion on this.........

    Answer, according to the person I spoke to there:

    Week 6, not game 6
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    Yeh, but they were all busy with the Adam Jones saga and were doubtlessly distracted and more likely to give out misleading information just to get you out of their hair. If only you were easier to get along with and didn't make people feel all defensive about their futbol acumen. :p
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    Deus you should know better. They have caller i.d. and as soon as they knew you were from New England, they gave you false info. :D
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    I've been sayin'!!!

    Anyway - Again, my understanding, from a former Player, is that it is in fact 6 WEEKS Under the NFL Rules...HOWEVER seeing how those rules seem to be posted NOWHERE on the web BUT if you have an NFL fact book, which I don't, he seems to think that it's in there - The only "official" explanation of PUP is in the NFLPA website, which the explanation is based on PAY, because players are NOT paid for a bye week so their definition is Games and not weeks, due to pay.
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    Well, That's true. :)
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