We're through week 6, Neal?

[BostonBullit]

Now that we're through wk6 we get to finally find out what's going on (as much as we ever do) with Neal. I seriously hope he makes a quick and full return and can stay healthy because the right side of that line needs the help. or am I wrong on this and because the bye came before wk6 can he not come off PUP until next week?

 

[pats1]

Now that we're through wk6 we get to finally find out what's going on (as much as we ever do) with Neal. I seriously hope he makes a quick and full return and can stay healthy because the right side of that line needs the help. or am I wrong on this and because the bye came before wk6 can he not come off PUP until next week?

He can start practicing as of today. He has through Week 9 to start practicing, and then another 21 days after he starts practicing to be activated.

 

[PATSNUTme]

He can start practicing as of today. He has through Week 9 to start practicing, and then another 21 days after he starts practicing to be activated.

They would either have to take him off PUP or IR him. If they take him off PUP then he has 3 weeks to become active or IR.

Let's hope he is ready to play.

 

[jmt57]

I was under the impression that it's another week - after the team's sixth game (rather than NFL Week 6) - that Neal becomes eligible to be taken off PUP?

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...94-neal-ross-eligible-return.html#post1102817

 

[ScottieC]

I was under the impression that it's another week - after the team's sixth game (rather than NFL Week 6) - that Neal becomes eligible to be taken off PUP?

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...94-neal-ross-eligible-return.html#post1102817

No, I think it's the 6th WEEK of the regular season. 6th game seems odd and arbitrary, what if your bye was in week 9? That's a competitive advantage to have a late Bye with a key player on PUP - Does not make sense.

 

[Pats726]

They would either have to take him off PUP or IR him. If they take him off PUP then he has 3 weeks to become active or IR.

Let's hope he is ready to play.

Or cut....NOT that they would do that...but that is another option..

 

[JR4]

He can start practicing as of today. He has through Week 9 to start practicing, and then another 21 days after he starts practicing to be activated.

Are you sure pats1?

I started a thread sunday about this and I think it was that pissah guy that
said he can't start parcticing until after PATs 6th game not week 6.
Who knows the facts here?

 

[ScottieC]

Are you sure pats1?

I started a thread sunday about this and I think it was that pissah guy that
said he can't start parcticing until after PATs 6th game not week 6.
Who knows the facts here?

* PUP list: Physically Unable to Perform -
this List designates players with serious injuries that will keep them from being able to start a season on the 53-man protected list but may be able to return to the roster during the regular season. The players must be placed on this roster at or before the league-wide 65-man summer roster cutdown to be eligible for this designation, and they must stay on this list for at least the first six weeks of the regular season. After this time teams have 3 weeks to evaluate such players after which each such player must be placed on the 53-man roster, season-ending Injured Reserve (IR) or waivers.

 

[Deus Irae]

Are you sure pats1?

I started a thread sunday about this and I think it was that pissah guy that
said he can't start parcticing until after PATs 6th game not week 6.
Who knows the facts here?

This is from Miguel's site....

Miguel's Frequently Asked Questions Page

Q:What is PUP??
A: My answer is based on a NFL.Com article on Curtis Martin being placed on PUP in 2006. A player who fails his club's pre-season physical at the start of training camp may be placed on the club's Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) list. A player on PUP is eligible to receive his salary, but is ineligible for games and practices; he is, however, allowed to attend team meetings. According to the article, "According to NFL rules, a player on the PUP list can't be cleared to practice until after Week 6.

This article from the Browns site seems to confirm this:

Cleveland Browns | Bentley placed on PUP list

During the first six weeks of the regular season, players on Reserve/PUP are allowed to attend meetings and continue rehabilitation at the club facility, but are not eligible to practice with the club.

After the sixth week, the club has a three-week window (Weeks 7-9) to allow a player on Reserve/PUP to begin practicing with the club. Once the player begins practice, he can practice for three weeks before the club must make a decision as to his roster status.

At any point following the sixth week of the regular season through the expiration of the player's three week practice window, the club can add the player to the 53-man roster or place the player on Reserve-Injured. Additionally, at the expiration of the practice window, the club can allow the player to remain on Reserve/PUP for the remainder of the season.

I hope this has been of some help.

 

[JR4]

* PUP list: Physically Unable to Perform -
this List designates players with serious injuries that will keep them from being able to start a season on the 53-man protected list but may be able to return to the roster during the regular season. The players must be placed on this roster at or before the league-wide 65-man summer roster cutdown to be eligible for this designation, and they must stay on this list for at least the first six weeks of the regular season. After this time teams have 3 weeks to evaluate such players after which each such player must be placed on the 53-man roster, season-ending Injured Reserve (IR) or waivers.

Well here is a reference that it is not until after the clubs 6th game.

Q:What is PUP??

A: My answer is based on a Ron Del Duca's Agent Column on
ProfootballTalk.Com and an Michael Fegler article regarding Rosevelt
Colvin. A player who fails his club's pre-season physical at the start
of training camp may be placed on the club's Physically Unable to
Perform (PUP) list. A player on PUP is eligible to receive his salary,
but is ineligible for games and practices; he is, however, allowed to
attend team meetings. For a three (3) week period beginning with the day
after the club's 6th regular season game and ending on the day after the
9th regular season game, a player on PUP may practice with his club
and/or be restored to the club's 53 man roster (provided it is done
before the day after the 9th regular season game). Note that there are
two different types of PUP. Players that land on reserve-PUP are
ineligible to play or practice for the first six weeks of the regular
season. Players on active-PUP can be taken off the list at any point
during training camp. Once a player is taken off active-PUP and returns
to practice, he cannot be placed on reserve-PUP later. Please note that
a player on PUP will count against the cap.

an agent and Fegler column:
Re: 53 man roster as it stands today???

 

[ScottieC]

Well here is a reference that it is not until after the clubs 6th game.

an agent and Fegler column:
Re: 53 man roster as it stands today???

I hear ya, but that's wrong. Dead wrong.

What I posted was from the NFLPA.

Think about it logically, and I'm NOT saying that you are not - But if you have a LATE bye in the season then you have a competitive advantage against a team with a EARLY bye - With regards to players on PUP.

See, Felger is an idiot and he's wrong.

 

[Deus Irae]

Well, I called the NFLPA legal department and got shuffled around. Then I ended up getting a voice mail. I wish I could be more definitive with the answer, sorry.

 

[ScottieC]

Well here is a reference that it is not until after the clubs 6th game.

an agent and Fegler column:
Re: 53 man roster as it stands today???

Ahhh HAH!!!

Here is where the confusion comes from - The WIKIPEDIA explanation!!!

Which is wrong as well. Tell Felger to stop using Wikipedia to answer questions and give the appearance of intelligence.

"Physically Unable to Perform is the term for a rule in the National Football League which allows teams to designate players as "Physically Unable to Perform" or "PUP". Once they are designated as such, they are prohibited from practicing with the team. They can, however, rehabilitate and participate in team meetings. If a player begins training camp on the PUP list, they can be moved to the active roster at any time, even after one practice. A player is not allowed to be placed on the PUP list if they start training camp on the active roster.

A player who begins the season on the PUP list must sit out his team's first six games. After that point, the player is allowed to practice with the team through Week 10 of the NFL season, and can be activated any time within that window. If the player is not activated by Week 10, he must stop practicing and is unavailable to be moved to the active roster for the remainder of the season."

 

[ScottieC]

Well, I called the NFLPA legal department and got shuffled around. Then I ended up getting a voice mail. I wish I could be more definitive with the answer, sorry.

Holy crap, Dude - I gave you the NFLPA explanation.

Whatever.

 

[JR4]

I hear ya, but that's wrong. Dead wrong.

What I posted was from the NFLPA.

Think about it logically, and I'm NOT saying that you are not - But if you have a LATE bye in the season then you have a competitive advantage against a team with a EARLY bye - With regards to players on PUP.

See, Felger is an idiot and he's wrong.

Not sure about the competitive advantage.

If a team only has to do without a player for 5 weeks instead of 6
that is not a disadvantage.

By making the rule mean after the teams 6th regular season game then
all teams would have to do without their PUP players for at least 6 games
NO MATTER when their bye week was. That's also logical!

 

[Deus Irae]

Holy crap, Dude - I gave you the NFLPA explanation.

Whatever.

Why on earth would you jump on me about this?

 

[JR4]

* PUP list: Physically Unable to Perform -
this List designates players with serious injuries that will keep them from being able to start a season on the 53-man protected list but may be able to return to the roster during the regular season. The players must be placed on this roster at or before the league-wide 65-man summer roster cutdown to be eligible for this designation, and they must stay on this list for at least the first six weeks of the regular season. After this time teams have 3 weeks to evaluate such players after which each such player must be placed on the 53-man roster, season-ending Injured Reserve (IR) or waivers.

but .... the phrase
"first six weeks of the regular season"
may have been clarified to mean the teams 6 regular season weeks
which a bye week is not part of.
Need to see all NFL references to this rule

 

[ScottieC]

Not sure about the competitive advantage.

If a team only has to do without a player for 5 weeks instead of 6
that is not a disadvantage.

By making the rule mean after the teams 6th regular season game then
all teams would have to do with their PUP players for at least 6 games
NO MATTER when their bye week was. That's also logical!

Eh?

Let me try and explain this very easily.

Under Felger's rule, we get Neil Back AFTER next weeks game - in the 7th week.

Whereas any team with a bye AFTER week 6 gets him back THIS week.

See?

Try this story out.

Jurevicius placed on PUP, will miss first six weeks of season

Their Bye was the 5th week.

 

[ScottieC]

Why on earth would you jump on me about this?

I'm not.

 

[JR4]

Eh?

Let me try and explain this very easily.

Under Felger's rule, we get Neil Back AFTER next weeks game - in the 7th week.

Whereas any team with a bye AFTER week 6 gets him back THIS week.

See?

Try this story out.

Jurevicius placed on PUP, will miss first six weeks of season

Their Bye was the 5th week.

There are enough references to show there exist confusion about this.
Not saying you are wrong but proof is in the pudding as they say.

Rather than a two moth old article show me an article tomorrow about
Jurevicius being actived off PUP. Or better yet, one of PATs pup guys
now practicing. At least one should be if you are right.