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Russini & Vrabel Nothing to see here?

n1997y said:
And she may not.

Or she may really not care that he’s doing it but decides she has to care because so many people tell her she should.

Real question is who gains by stirring this **** up?
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Publications make mad money off these stories. A friend of mine was offered close to 10K by TMZ for a photo of Drake holding a girl's hand. Celebrities reportedly get multiple millions from tabloids just for pictures of a newborn.

That market has cooled off, but all that to drive home: it's just all money.
 
XLIX said:
Now that you mention it, we are party to the terms of Vrabel's relationship with his wife.

We know they were married within the Catholic church. We know that mandates a publicly stated mutual promise to forsake all others. Those vows last until death do they part, not until the next NFL Owners' meetings. No one is being presumptive here. That's kinda what the marital vows in the Church are.

I can understand people saying "maybe nothing happened." I consider that a very reasonable take. But if you want to stake yourself on the hill that "gee, you know, maybe Vrabel has an open relationship and maybe his devout Catholic wife doesn't mind him having sex with another woman and who are you to assume she would be upset??" then you go right ahead. Good luck with that.

Meanwhile, the rest of us prefer living in the real world.
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Lots of assumptions there about how compliant he and his wife may be.

Are you Catholic? I’m not, so this is a serious question. Does the Catholic Church expect congregants to monitor and enforce compliance by their fellows in communion? Are they all their brothers keepers? Or is that a matter to be shared only in the confessional, not publicly?
 
Huckleberry1 said:
American evangelicals are anything but people of good character.
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People in general suck. It's just about finding the people who know they suck, admit it, and make attempts to fix it before trying to fix the suckiness of other people.

 
n1997y said:
Lots of assumptions there about how compliant he and his wife may be.

Are you Catholic? I’m not, so this is a serious question. Does the Catholic Church expect congregants to monitor and enforce compliance by their fellows in communion? Are they all their brothers keepers? Or is that a matter to be shared only in the confessional, not publicly?
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I think generally you ought to rebuke someone who doesn't know they're doing wrong, but after that it's up to them to fix it. Like in this case if I happened to go to the same parish as Mike Vrabel and I knew him, I'd keep my mouth shut. Cause he knows the truth (whatever it may be) and he knows right from wrong. I got my own **** to worry about
 
festy1986 said:
**** grosses me out. Took advantage of that poor hysterical woman.
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What do you mean? She’s just using him, the shameless golddigger.
 
n1997y said:
Unless you are a party to the terms of that relationship you are being very presumptive to project your beliefs about what they should be onto others.

In fairness do you want everyone to decide what it’s okay for you to do in your private life?
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I actually addressed that point directly - I acknowledged we don't know the terms of their relationship. That's a pretty significant caveat, not an afterthought. Did you miss that part of my post?

Your logic cuts both ways: if we can't make any judgments without being party to the relationship, then the people dismissing this as a nothingburger are equally out of bounds because they're also not party to it.

Vrabel is a public figure in a high-profile industry; Russini covers that industry. The reporting is based on real photographs, not speculation. Observing that a situation looks a certain way isn't the same as claiming certainty about what it is.

And to your question, no, I don't want anyone deciding what's okay for me, or anyone else, to do in my/their private life. But that's not what's happening here - nobody is dictating anything to Vrabel - they are simply analyzing photos taken of him making choices on his own and drawing their own conclusions, which is a perfectly natural thing on a discussionboard.

If I were photographed in a similar situation, I'd either own it or explain what I was doing. If there was a good explanation, I'd provide it. And if I was caught doing wrong, I certainly wouldn't hide behind 'you're not party to my relationship' as a defense of my transgression.
 
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A Defiant Goose said:
By the way, somewhat related and true story. A buddy of mine wanted to catch up and grab a beer. I found some (metaphorical) hole in the wall place I hadn't been to downtown. Told the hostess "Bar or table is fine, we're just two, totally straight, definitely not gay dudes having a beer together" just in a jokingly insecure way, as if two straight men can't just sit at a table and have a beer. It would've been a hilarious joke, if it hadn't turned out to be a gay bar. I started catching on when I saw the bartender dressed as a pirate and the rainbow flags on the shelf. Talk about unlucky
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lol. Hostess is thinking “that’s what they all say until they find the closet door” then having a good laugh with the bartender. And he’s talking her “they’re so into each other, nobody’s going to hit on them”.
 
festy1986 said:
I wonder what she got out of it? Because she hasn't had a real scoop in years.
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And now she’s established she still has credible source.
 
sb1 said:
Belichick was a notorious adulterer for decades and he kept it all at arms length from his teams without any impact… well at least in the days when he believed in ignoring the noise before he became the noise.

Vrabel isn't an a-hole like Bill either so I'm sure the media won't press things too far and just keep it to football with him.
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Only disagree here is that Vrabel isn't an ******* - he totally is, and would probably tell you as much himself.

More charismatic, less standoffish? Sure. But still an *******, through and through. And that's probably necessary, to some extent, in order to be a successful NFL head coach.
 
catent said:
I actually addressed that point directly - I acknowledged we don't know the terms of their relationship. That's a pretty significant caveat, not an afterthought. Did you miss that part of my post?
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It wasn’t the lede. Buried in paragraph two (of two) made it seem an afterthought. In fact I almost missed it as I was already reacting to the open8ng sentence.
catent said:
Your logic cuts both ways: if we can't make any judgments without being party to the relationship, then the people dismissing this as a nothingburger are equally out of bounds because they're also not party to it.
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You’re right. But you missed that I’ve not yet commented about the photos or reports, only in response to posts commenting th8ngs like “this looks suggestive” etc.
catent said:
Vrabel is a public figure in a high-profile industry; Russini covers that industry. The reporting is based on real photographs, not speculation. Observing that a situation looks a certain way isn't the same as claiming certainty about what it is.
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It also looks like maybe they could be in a situation that suggests a reporter might be getting privileged access that exposes intimate details of confidential team matters, but I’ve not seen that aspect getting attention. That’s really the only part of this that would concern me, tbh.
catent said:
And to your question, no, I don't want anyone deciding what's okay for me, or anyone else, to do in my/their private life. But that's not what's happening here - nobody is dictating anything to Vrabel - they are simply analyzing photos taken of him making choices on his own and drawing their own conclusions, which is a perfectly natural thing on a discussionboard.

If I were photographed in a similar situation, I'd either own it or explain what I was doing. If there was a good explanation, I'd provide it. And if I was caught doing wrong, I certainly wouldn't hide behind 'you're not party to my relationship' as defense of my wrongdoing.
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n1997y said:
Lots of assumptions there about how compliant he and his wife may be.
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Yes, I am assuming the devout Catholic wife who was publicly promised by her husband in front of all their friends and family - not to mention, as per her beliefs, in the eyes of God - that he would forsake all others just for her would not approve of him having sexual relations with another woman. Crazy, huh?

Like I said, if you want to die on the hill of "oh she is probably really open minded and after 25 years of marriage wouldn't care if her husband is having sex with other women" then you go right ahead. Good luck with that!
 
A Defiant Goose said:
By the way, somewhat related and true story. A buddy of mine wanted to catch up and grab a beer. I found some (metaphorical) hole in the wall place I hadn't been to downtown. Told the hostess "Bar or table is fine, we're just two, totally straight, definitely not gay dudes having a beer together" just in a jokingly insecure way, as if two straight men can't just sit at a table and have a beer. It would've been a hilarious joke, if it hadn't turned out to be a gay bar. I started catching on when I saw the bartender dressed as a pirate and the rainbow flags on the shelf. Talk about unlucky
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In my younger days I had a girl bring me to a female gay bar.

I had a great time.
 
We don't need a sex tape. People we know (personally, or public figures) are sexually active all the time and we accept that as true without literal visual proof. Cheating isn't just about sex - it's about romantic and emotional intimacy. The photographs appear to show that.

If Vrabel and his wife have a mutual agreement about this, it obviously changes the entire dynamic. But if they don't, then I can't imagine his wife would look at these without batting an eye.

Like, seriously, imagine your wife/girlfriend saw you doing the same with another woman: would you expect to be able to successfully pass it off as a platonic encounter? Would you feel she was being unreasonable if she was upset, concerned, and demanding an explanation? I'd imagine most everyone caught in a similar situation would recognize the damning optics.
 
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