Mayo's Intoductory Press Conference

Ian said:

That's all you took out of that? He emphasized focusing on the development of players, which has obviously been an issue here we've all complained about in various circumstances. Same thing with the lack of continuity within the coaching staff and creating/developing more qualified people around him. That and he talked about the fact he didn't want an echo chamber and essentially doesn't want "yes" men - something other people also talked about with Bill. Again, among other things.

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cmasspatsfan said:

Every head coach ever, started his first job with ne experience as a HC. Otherwise you're just recycling other HCs.

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Ian said:

Again, you heard one thing and missed the real point of what he said, which was based on his time at Optum:

"One thing I came back with, I learned a lot at Optum. Larry Renfrow, Mike Matteo, those guys, I learned a lot about diversity, about diversity and inclusion. You'd better believe being the first Black coach here in New England means a lot to me. But those guys taught me you have to take ideas from other people, Black, white, green, yellow. Really doesn't matter. Old, young."

That meant that he believes in taking - and seeking - input from everybody, regardless of their race/background/age.

The next thing he said more or less confirms that:

"One thing you'll notice about me in our interaction as we continue to go, is I don't like echo chambers. I want people around me that are going to question my ideas or yes question the way we have done things in the past because realistically this game is a lot different than when I was drafted in 2008. "

"At the same time, that's why I try to spend so much time developing young men and young women. I don't want to teach them what to think, I want to teach them how to think. Once we get to that point, I think we can get back to where we need to be, at the top. I'm an open book. I'm honored. I'm ready to go. I'm excited to be the next head coach of the Patriots."

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Ring 6 said:

Ian
When I say I am not going to get into each item, but…. Then mention one, that surely is not “all I took from it” it’s what I took from one of the comments.

I then said, we disagree and I don’t think it’s worth getting into. I think the were platitudes without substance (everyone wants to develop players, being a gardener does nothing for me)

As far as the echo chamber part, once you brought it up again, I will respond.

I have never found a leader who lacks conviction and is sways by people who report to him regularly to be effective. Belichick has a long history of going outside the organization for input (jimmy Johnson, urban Meyer, saban, etc). So the extent of “echo chamber” is wrong, but in my opinion if I hire a HC I want someone with clear vision and a solid plan, not someone who runs a democracy and let’s underlines set the structure. Why do I need a HC if he isn’t setting the tone?

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Ian said:

Again, you heard one thing and missed the real point of what he said, which was based on his time at Optum:

"One thing I came back with, I learned a lot at Optum. Larry Renfrow, Mike Matteo, those guys, I learned a lot about diversity, about diversity and inclusion. You'd better believe being the first Black coach here in New England means a lot to me. But those guys taught me you have to take ideas from other people, Black, white, green, yellow. Really doesn't matter. Old, young."

That meant that he believes in taking - and seeking - input from everybody, regardless of their race/background/age.

The next thing he said more or less confirms that:

"One thing you'll notice about me in our interaction as we continue to go, is I don't like echo chambers. I want people around me that are going to question my ideas or yes question the way we have done things in the past because realistically this game is a lot different than when I was drafted in 2008. "

"At the same time, that's why I try to spend so much time developing young men and young women. I don't want to teach them what to think, I want to teach them how to think. Once we get to that point, I think we can get back to where we need to be, at the top. I'm an open book. I'm honored. I'm ready to go. I'm excited to be the next head coach of the Patriots."

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Ring 6 said:

I heard I DO SEE COLOR and our locker room should match society.
Those are not attitudes that out winning first.

No one has told him to exclude.

We differ widely on the management by committee concept.

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Ian said:

He is setting the tone, but what he said (again - see the previous post) is that he's willing to be challenged and will listen. That doesn't mean he'll take every suggestion, but it also obviously means he's looking for people to not be afraid of voicing input/ideas. That's what you need to get better/improve and grow. You just pointed out an example of Belichick seeking it outside the organization. I don't know how much pushback he really got internally. Again, that's obviously come up in here plenty of times.

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Ring 6 said:

We just see this completely differently.

The best organizations have a dynamic leader who sets the tone and people under him who carry it out. Authority works.

Everything I’ve heard Mayo say lacks authority.

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Ian said:

Again, you heard those four words and missed the rest:

"What I will say, though, is I do see color because I believe if you don't see color, you can't see racism. Whatever happens, Black, white, disabled person -- even someone with disabilities, for the most part people are like -- when they're young, they kind of make the spot hot. Younger people know what that means. But what I would say is, no, I want you to be able to go up to those people and really understand those people."

Has nothing to do with anything other than listening to everybody and trying to understand the people around him.

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Ring 6 said:

The words following the statement do not change the statement.
Most of them didn’t make sense anyway.

You left out the part about diversity of the locker room.

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cmasspatsfan said:

Every head coach ever, started his first job with ne experience as a HC. Otherwise you're just recycling other HCs.

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Ian said:

If that's how you feel, I don't know what to say. All you need to do is look at the dozens of threads where people complained about the draft decisions and felt that Bill needed someone there not afraid to speak up when it came to some of those calls. It doesn't make Mayo a bad leader to also be willing to take input from people around him.

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Ian said:

OK, that was literally the sentence before:

"You want your locker room to be pretty diverse, and you want the world to look like that. What I will say, though, is I do see color because I believe if you don't see color, you can't see racism. Whatever happens, Black, white, disabled person -- even someone with disabilities, for the most part people are like -- when they're young, they kind of make the spot hot. Younger people know what that means. But what I would say is, no, I want you to be able to go up to those people and really understand those people."

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Ring 6 said:

Do you really think that I put any value into what people complain about?

There is no insight to how those draft decisions were made, only a few non substantiated claims and a bunch of opinion.
And ultimately the results were the best ever. Hardly proof bekichicjs way didn’t work.

Again, if you hire a man to lead the franchise and the only way he can succeed is by getting other people to teach him how to do his job and the right decision, you hired the wrong guy.

I think you are falling into the trap of thinking the arm chair QB is a genius.

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Horace's Ivories said:

I get that but most would have either college HC experience or years as a coordinator. In this case we have a 4 year position coach with possibly a one year "co-coordinator" responsibility.

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Ian said:

So you've never made a suggestion to someone above you at work? That's not teaching someone how to do their job...?

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Ring 6 said:

That is hardly what we are talking about here.

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Ian said:

You just said, "Again, if you hire a man to lead the franchise and the only way he can succeed is by getting other people to teach him how to do his job and the right decision, you hired the wrong guy."

It's a relevant question. Again, if you've ever gone into your boss's office and told them about something you felt it was important they know, maybe something that wasn't working and a possible solution, etc. it's essentially the same scenario he spoke about. Having them thank you for the feedback vs them telling you to focus on yourself and go back to your desk are two different things. And I feel like the more successful companies often look for that.

Albeit, there are certainly people who they'll want to take suggestions from, and others who should probably just go back to their desk ...

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alvinnf said:

The "boss" didnt even interview anyone or participate in the process. Pretty sure "they" are not too big on collaboration or feedback.

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