How Good Does Mac Have To Be To Get His Option Picked Up?

Real fan 02 said:

Great points,

As far as the scouts, it was reported he did alot of ignoring the scouts and therefore resulted in poor drafting. Since it was reported that it's a collaraborate approach with the draft now we seem to be hitting more on players. What I never understood was teams heavily rely on information from the scouts.. so why ignore them? They are some of most important people in an organization.

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It's tough when you're making all the decisions. All the responsibility rests on you and you're not thinking practically or objectively, just trying to hit on guys who seem like they might be good, or going with your gut too much.

And I don't know how much his personal life has been distracting him from his professional one. Life goes on, and you don't retain the same determination - or desperation - you had when you were younger.

Actual Pats Fan said:

It's tough when you're making all the decisions. All the responsibility rests on you and you're not thinking practically or objectively, just trying to hit on guys who seem like they might be good, or going with your gut too much.

And I don't know how much his personal life has been distracting him from his professional one. Life goes on, and you don't retain the same determination - or desperation - you had when you were younger.

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I'll agree, go back to the beginning. BB is a Parcells deciple, and credits his career in large majority to him. ( I'd say Brady lol)

However BB wouldn't had agreed to become HC without being named GM as well. He has done a masterful job over the years identifying talent and of course drafting Brady and seeing in him.. what we witnessed for 2 decades of excellence. So with that being said when your being paid 25/Mill. A year alot of decision making, hard choices, managing the roster, building a contender or trying to year in and out.

The rigors of always trying to teach, and trying to learn and adapt to the league Being part of the NFL rules committee and such as a coach. To be in his 70s and still have the drive and passion is utterly impressive.

archstanton543 said:

Nope. As a football historian, he's going to want that record. He will stick around for as long as that takes. (Two or three seasons tops)

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I think the succession plan is in place, and they aren’t going to make Mayo wait 4 years to become a HC. I think Belichick retires after the 2024 season.

Real fan 02 said:

I'll agree, go back to the beginning. BB is a Parcells deciple, and credits his career in large majority to him. ( I'd say Brady lol)

However BB wouldn't had agreed to become HC without being named GM as well. He has done a masterful job over the years identifying talent and of course drafting Brady and seeing in him.. what we witnessed for 2 decades of excellence. So with that being said when your being paid 25/Mill. A year alot of decision making, hard choices, managing the roster, building a contender or trying to year in and out.

The rigors of always trying to teach, and trying to learn and adapt to the league Being part of the NFL rules committee and such as a coach. To be in his 70s and still have the drive and passion is utterly impressive.

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He's a control freak.

After Cleveland he learned to delegate, but when he came here he brought along Parcells' guys with him.

Actual Pats Fan said:

He's a control freak.

After Cleveland he learned to delegate, but when he came here he brought along Parcells' guys with him.

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That's right, he inherited alot of Parcells guy's as well that were the foundation pieces of the first dynasty years. I just don't want his legacy to end like it began in Cleveland. I'd really like to solidify more his lege status by winning with Mac!

Real fan 02 said:

That's right, he inherited alot of Parcells guy's as well that were the foundation pieces of the first dynasty years. I just don't want his legacy to end like it began in Cleveland. I'd really like to solidify more his lege status by winning with Mac!

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In Bill's case, the best approach which he's taking is to not pay attention to any of the crap and distractions and take things one day, one step at a time.

Do our jobs.

Actual Pats Fan said:

In Bill's case, the best approach which he's taking is to not pay attention to any of the crap and distractions and take things one day, one step at a time.

Do our jobs.

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Absolutely, he's been doing that pretty much his entire career. The guys made some ballsy decisions over the years, I give him credit to have to handle all the pressure from those decisions.

SHOWTIME15 said:

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Right, I thought he was supposedly bulking up this offseason. Guess not. Instead he's looking rather gaunt.

Ross12 said:

It’s in the article - $23.7M. Mac is in “tier 3” because he is not a Pro Bowler (while he did play in one, it was as a substitute which AFAIK doesn’t qualify).

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I don’t think he has to be very good to get the option picked up. Unless they feel great about Zappe they can exercise the option to keep around as a safety net until they find the next guy and cut him if needed.

My answer, serviceable starter who knows the system gets him the 5th year. QB is different than other positions and IMO has a lower hurdle rate.

Ivan said:

I think the succession plan is in place, and they aren’t going to make Mayo wait 4 years to become a HC. I think Belichick retires after the 2024 season.

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I agree that Belichick is likely to retire after the 2024 season (2025 at the latest).

However, I think that there is little reason to believe that the choice for coach has been made 2 or 3 years early. Sure Mayo and BOB are top contenders now, but the Kraft's will see who is available when the new GM helps choose a coach.

mgteich said:

I agree that Belichick is likely to retire after the 2024 season (2025 at the latest).

However, I think that there is little reason to believe that the choice for coach has been made 2 or 3 years early. Sure Mayo and BOB are top contenders now, but the Kraft's will see who is available when the new GM helps choose a coach.

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I could very much envision a scenario where mayo is HC and BOB is GM...

Real fan 02 said:

I could very much envision a scenario where mayo is HC and BOB is GM...

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Just curious...
The Pats organization has yet to entrust Mayo with full leadership of anything but sub groups...
Yet many believe the Krafts will still hand him the keys ?
It may work this way elsewhere; I just don't see the Krafts entrusting their multi-billion dollar operation to an untested anyone.

Parcells......15 years as DC/HC (1 yr as Pats HC).....when Kraft bought team
Carroll .....8 yrs DC/HC....prior to being hired by Kraft
BB.......16 yrs DC/HC...... before Kraft traded for him

Mayo...... 0 yrs DC/HC

I don't see it
I especially don't see it given the epic catastrophe that was Patricia & Judge attempting to navigate unfamiliar waters last season.

borg said:

Just curious...
The Pats organization has yet to entrust Mayo with full leadership of anything but sub groups...
Yet many believe the Krafts will still hand him the keys ?
It may work this way elsewhere; I just don't see the Krafts entrusting their multi-billion dollar operation to an untested anyone.

Parcells......15 years as DC/HC (1 yr as Pats HC).....when Kraft bought team
Carroll .....8 yrs DC/HC....prior to being hired by Kraft
BB.......16 yrs DC/HC...... before Kraft traded for him

Mayo...... 0 yrs DC/HC

I don't see it
I especially don't see it given the epic catastrophe that was Patricia & Judge attempting to navigate unfamiliar waters last season.

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Well I'll say this... we didn't envision season happening either. We'd have never thought something like that could happen.

So we have to expect the unexpected with the patriots. This team post brady I cannot get a gaugue on as far as everything that we were accustomed too over the championship years.

Mayo has been assured something and ownership is keep it close to the vest. Mayo is a young, vibrant, intelligent savy guy.

BB has done nothing but have about his football intelligent since he was a rookie! So anything you may have been used to or try to compare and contrast to past history or past coaches I would just not even look at that.

Once BB does decide to walk away ownership is not going to empower another coach with the power he has. So that's why I mentioned there will be a coach and of course GM seperate. Whatever transpires I expect Mayo to be part the plan. As far as Mayo not play calling your right it is odd.. however it's said he does everything on the defense but play call. So my hope for this season is to try to get back into contending and make the playoffs and head in the right direction.

mgteich said:

I agree that Belichick is likely to retire after the 2024 season (2025 at the latest).

However, I think that there is little reason to believe that the choice for coach has been made 2 or 3 years early. Sure Mayo and BOB are top contenders now, but the Kraft's will see who is available when the new GM helps choose a coach.

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Because lord knows there's no shortage of NFL coaches who can find their asses with both hands.

Ivan said:

I think the succession plan is in place, and they aren’t going to make Mayo wait 4 years to become a HC. I think Belichick retires after the 2024 season.

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That’s a popular opinion but IMO it could be O’Brien as well.

RIpats88 said:

I never said don't stop drafting QB's. i'm just saying if the philosphy going forward is "dont pay the going rate for any QB not the caliber of Joe Burrows" the Patriots are going to be a lottery team for a long time. Those guys don't grow on trees, so if you refuse to pay the market rate on what is an average QB then you are going to be in the bottom of the league, switching QB's every 3-4 years, hoping you draft a top QB and they can be one of the top QB's in the league...

That is the league now, we need to stop hanging on to notions/payscales from 20 years ago.

I mean basically you are saying if Mac jones is say of Kirk Cousins or a Tua or Tannehill, Daniel Jones. just keep letting them go and going into the lottery because they arent "elite"? to me that just seems such a poor way of building a team. and thats hoping the year you tank there is that kind of QB talent there to draft...

id rather be like Kansas city. paying Alex Jones (an average quarterback) being a competitive playoff team while continually drafting and ending up with Patrick Mahomes.

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Alex Jones played football?

WTF! said:

That’s a popular opinion but IMO is could be O’Brien as well.

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It’s a popular opinion because Kraft mentioned Mayo as Belichick’s successor.

mgteich said:

I agree that Belichick is likely to retire after the 2024 season (2025 at the latest).

However, I think that there is little reason to believe that the choice for coach has been made 2 or 3 years early. Sure Mayo and BOB are top contenders now, but the Kraft's will see who is available when the new GM helps choose a coach.

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Kraft is the person who said Mayo may succeed. Belichick. No one has said O’Brien will succeed Belichick.

mgteich said:

I agree that Belichick is likely to retire after the 2024 season (2025 at the latest).

However, I think that there is little reason to believe that the choice for coach has been made 2 or 3 years early. Sure Mayo and BOB are top contenders now, but the Kraft's will see who is available when the new GM helps choose a coach.

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If Kraft names O’Brien to succeed Belichick it will be the worst decision of his tenure as owner. O’Brien destroyed Houston, and he would do the same to the Patriots. I didn’t want him back here at all, but I don’t I don’t like it when people beat on an agenda endlessly, so I’m going to stay quiet about it and hope the offense turns I it around, but even if it does I don’t think I could stomach him as head coach, that would be a bridge to far for me,

Ivan said:

If Kraft names O’Brien to succeed Belichick it will be the worst decision of his tenure as owner.

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...excluding logo and uniform issues, feeble responses to historic unprecedented multiple league perpetrations of unfair competitive disadvantages, and pretending he had no involvement or authority to keep the GOAT around and at least be a career Patriot