Lifelong Panthers fan AMA (ask me anything) Cam Edition

Conflicted Panthers fan · Jul 24, 2020

Ring 6 said:
Defense, running game, ol.
They had 3 winning seasons under newton.
In those 3 the defense was ranked 2,6,7 in yards and 2,6,11 in points.
The running offense was ranked 11,2,4
The passing Offense was ranked 29,24,28

The one consisting dynamic is when they had a good defense they were good and when they didn’t they stunk.

sounds about right

Can't tell you how many games the defense choked away at the end. Like I said, Ron Rivera was 2-14 in games decided by a touchdown or less his first couple of years.

Patriot Missile · Jul 24, 2020

Conflicted Panthers fan said:
Wins are a team stat.

Any objective person who has paid attention to Carolina for the last decade knows Cam Newton was the only thing keep them from total irrelevance.

I think Mr BC aka Luke Kuechly has something to say about that. Also Josh Norman was amazing in your defense. He probably regrets leaving.

Conflicted Panthers fan · Jul 24, 2020

Patriot Missile said:
I think Mr BC aka Luke Kuechly has something to say about that. Also Josh Norman was amazing in your defense. He probably regrets leaving.

Fair point, and hate how concussions shortened Luke’s career. Truly an all-time great. Also for what it’s worth Josh Norman was unceremoniously kicked to the curb when his agent started playing hardball, but yeah he was pretty special for the 2015 run.

TheRainMaker · Jul 24, 2020

TommyBrady12 said:
Our playbook is among the toughest in the league. It's why so many receivers come here and fizzle...

I think it's more because they just drafted poorly. None of the guys drafted that fizzled out played well elsewhere. In fact, most if not all didn't play at all.

BaconGrundleCandy said:
Hopefully Stid is anxious and excited as opposed to nervous and angry

I think he's pretty angry. I'm sure he was under the impression that his only competition was Hoyer and I don't think he anticipated the late signing of Newton.

luuked said:
t really sucks that this kind of things are only highlighted by the smaller media entities while the Currans and Volins of this world keep polling people on Twitter whether Brady should have worn a mask when he visited the Bucs facility.

The stuff they've been posting on the Twitter feed to the right on this site has been awful.

scott99 said:
Thinking back to the SB 38 with the Panthers, man that Panther's team was WAY better than people knew. They really went punch for punch with the 2003 Pats, who might've been one of the best Super Bowl teams ever. Pats went 14-2, had a great defense, just a great team.

They should've lost in the divisional round to the Rams and should've gotten blown out against the Pats. Pats had them dead to rights in the second half up 21-10 deep in Panthers territory before Brady throwing a pick in the endzone and giving them life. They, including Delhomme, looked absolutely shell shocked up until that point.

TheRainMaker · Jul 24, 2020

@Conflicted Panthers fan You'll find on this board that people actually think a guy (Stidum) has the advantage of winning the starting job just because he's been with the team for a year. And in that year, he took over for Brady in a blowout win against the Jets (up 30-7 in the 4th Q), only to get benched immediately after his inability to complete basic throws and tossing a pick six. This board has a weird obsession with this guy.

True story.

Conflicted Panthers fan · Jul 24, 2020

TheRainMaker said:
I think it's more because they just drafted poorly. None of the guys drafted that fizzled out played well elsewhere. In fact, most if not all didn't play at all.

I think he's pretty angry. I'm sure he was under the impression that his only competition was Hoyer.

The stuff they've been posting on the Twitter feed to the right on this site has been awful.

They should've lost in the divisional round to the Rams and should've gotten blown out against the Pats. Pats had them dead to rights in the second half up 21-10 deep in Panthers territory before Brady throwing a pick in the endzone giving them life. They, including Delhomme, looked absolutely shell shocked up until that point.

For what it’s worth (nothing), Panthers players have said it felt like the Pats were in their huddle the entire first half, and so the Panthers completely scraped their gameplan at halftime, and you see how the second half turned out.

DropKickFlutie · Jul 24, 2020

Ring 6 said:
Did you seriously just compare newton to Steve young

Steve Young hadn't done sh-t before age 30. Stop being weird.

.

Conflicted Panthers fan · Jul 24, 2020

DropKickFlutie said:
Steve Young hadn't done sh-t before age 30. Stop being weird.

.

Since the merger only three players have thrown for over 29,000 yards and rushed for over 4,000 yards: Steve Young, Randall Cunningham, Cam Newton.

Yeah, the comparison is valid.

Ring 6 · Jul 24, 2020

DropKickFlutie said:
Steve Young hadn't done sh-t before age 30. Stop being weird.

.

What does that have to do with anything?
Young completed his career, he was what he was. You can’t go back to what you predicted he would be before he was 30.
Newton is nowhere near as good as Steve young. Even his mother, err, the OP agrees with that.

Doctor DDS · Jul 24, 2020

Regarding Spygate - The Pats were punished for filming "DEFENSIVE HAND SIGNALS" from defensive coaches on the sidelines. Comments by the Panthers that "it felt like the Pats were in our huddle" in the first half does not make sense as the issues the Panthers had were on offense not defense. If the Panthers changed things up at halftime regarding their signals then the Patriots would not have scored 18 points in the 4th quarter when they no longer had the advantage of allegedly knowing all the play calls. Offensive play calls come in via radio. Things like this are why Pats fans take issue with the various complaints as the majority of opposing players and fans have no idea what they are talking about. And when that particular Panthers team is "exposed" for a massive steroid scandal or other teams are caught doing something against the rules yet their is minimal if any public outrage I think us Pats fans feel that the double standard is pretty blatant.

TheRainMaker · Jul 24, 2020

Conflicted Panthers fan said:
For what it’s worth (nothing), Panthers players have said it felt like the Pats were in their huddle the entire first half, and so the Panthers completely scraped their gameplan at halftime, and you see how the second half turned out.

Yeah, I remember hearing something like that.

Pats turning it over gave the Panthers a ton of momentum. That really started their comeback.

Ring 6 · Jul 24, 2020

Conflicted Panthers fan said:
For what it’s worth (nothing), Panthers players have said it felt like the Pats were in their huddle the entire first half, and so the Panthers completely scraped their gameplan at halftime, and you see how the second half turned out.

It’s called coaching.

JarOfMayo51 · Jul 24, 2020

BaconGrundleCandy said:
Really wish this entire fan base was behind him. Enough about his hairstyle and clothes. Honestly that **** is borderline offensive. Let people be themselves.

Completely agree with you.. and I do find it rather ironic, because Brady is married to a super model and has lived a very eccentric lifestyle with all kinds of hairstyles and outfits

The way he carries himself is going to be much different than what we're used to, Cam is much more extroverted than Brady is from a personality standpoint. That's not a bad thing, its just different than what people are used to but they're going to have to get used to it because Brady isn't walking thru that door again unless its to sign a ceremonial contract to retire.

DropKickFlutie · Jul 24, 2020

Ring 6 said:
What does that have to do with anything?
Young completed his career, he was what he was. You can’t go back to what you predicted he would be before he was 30.
Newton is nowhere near as good as Steve young. Even his mother, err, the OP agrees with that.

You repeatedly have logical fallacies in your posts with a lot of people but I'll bite. The point is people can feel really good about Cam at age31 compared to what people felt about Steve Young at age30. Cam accomplished 50x more than Young had when each came in and replaced respective legends but still with an elite coaching staff around.

.

Ring 6 · Jul 24, 2020

DropKickFlutie said:
You repeatedly have logical fallacies in your posts with a lot of people but I'll bite. The point is people can feel really good about Cam at age31 compared to what people felt about Steve Young at age30. Cam accomplished 50x more than Young had when each came in and replaced respective legends but still with an elite coaching staff around.

.

You just posted the ultimate logical fallacy.

You are arguing that since Young played much better after 30 than expected that it means something for newton.
It doesn’t. You know why? Newton isn’t young.
To argue this you would have to show that a lot of players showed this pattern. They haven’t.
Further you would have to say newton is as good a football player as young. He isn’t.

your argument us the same as saying trade for pick 199 and draft a QB because Tom Brady was drafted 199 and became the GOAT.

Or perhaps you don’t understand what a logical fallacy is.

FYI a logical fallacy would be “young did it so newton will”
And a sound logical argument would be “Newton isn’t young so what young did had nothing to do with newton”

JarOfMayo51 · Jul 24, 2020

RASTAN99 said:
Direct quotes:

"I'm not the best playcaller," Newton said. "Calling a play shouldn't be a paragraph. [Brees] called a play and I was like, 'Nah.' Then I told Norv we're going to have to call a one-liner ... Panther. Tepper. Rivera. Something.

"I be in the huddle. I'm already tired. I ain't got time to be saying this that, the third, the third, the third, ready, ready, break. You only get so much time."

The topic came up as Newton talked about the return of Panthers Pro Bowl tight end Greg Olsen, who re-fractured his right foot in the season opener, for Sunday's Week 6 game at the Washington Redskins. Not only is Olsen a security blanket for Newton as a receiver, but he apparently helps the 2015 NFL MVP call plays.

"I call him the dictator in the huddle," Newton said. "I really have problems calling plays, even in Year 8. He just helps me."

Cam Newton not alone in saying 'calling a play shouldn't be a paragraph'

Sounds like we should trade for Greg Olsen immediately lol

At the end of the day, Belichick and the staff already know these things about Cam and still chose to sign him. He spoke to Norv Turner specifically about Cam in the offseason, and Norv is an old school guy that isn't going to blow rainbows up BBs ass for Cam Newton just for the heck of it.. he'll give his honest assessment of him and probably pointers on how he can tweak the offense to his strengths

Brady is gone. We don't have a quantum computer running our offense anymore and you aren't going to find someone else in FA who can do it the way Brady did it, or replace his 20 years of deep understanding in this offense.

The offense has to evolve and change, and they will. I'm excited to watch it unfold this season and ill be rooting for Cam and the Pats to succeed

Ring 6 · Jul 24, 2020

JarOfMayo51 said:
Sounds like we should trade for Greg Olsen immediately lol

At the end of the day, Belichick and the staff already know these things about Cam and still chose to sign him. He spoke to Norv Turner specifically about Cam in the offseason, and Norv is an old school guy that isn't going to blow rainbows up BBs ass for Cam Newton just for the heck of it.. he'll give his honest assessment of him and probably pointers on how he can tweak the offense to his strengths

Brady is gone. We don't have a quantum computer running our offense anymore and you aren't going to find someone else in FA who can do it the way Brady did it, or replace his 20 years of deep understanding in this offense.

The offense has to evolve and change, and they will. I'm excited to watch it unfold this season and ill be rooting for Cam and the Pats to succeed

The governor on your argument is that they didn’t go through all that discussion and investigation to give him a huge contract and commitment they did it and then gave him the minimum they were allowed to.
So the logic that they must have asked x, y and z to p, r and q so therefore since they signed him they must be extremely confident goes away with the minimum contract being offered. They could have heard many scary things and still offered the minimum hoping to change him.
Haynesworth, AB, 85, Bennett all conflict with the “BB wouldn’t do it if he didnt think the guy could change” argument.

JarOfMayo51 · Jul 24, 2020

Joker said:
are YOU pretending Roger Goodell's first job was not with the NY Jets as an intern? Are you pretending you don't know that Leon Hess got Goodell the job in NFL Offices? Are you saying the 2006 league meeting to name a new commissioner wasn't deadlocked with some owners opposing the suggested lawyer candidate who was eminently qualified, until Mara and Rooney suggested THEIR pick, in collusion with the NY Jets owner, be Roger Goodell? The same Roger Goodell who is on record claiming to be a lawyer(2009),claiming graduating magna cum laude from Washinton& Jefferson when his record indicates a C minus cumulative over 4 years of a generic business degree? The same Roger Goodell claiming he was raised in western NY and is a Redskins fan when in FACT he went to Bronxville High School in EASTERN NY bordering Connecticut, where he was a three sport star (including football), a known bully and a NEW YORK JETS FAN who took his high school jock buddies to all the Jets home games because US Senator Daddy had a reserved box at the Meadowlands? You pretending THIS doesn't mean anything when it was GOODELL who destroyed the "tapes" the NFL "confiscated, denying the NEP any chance of proving they did nothing wrong? Are you going to continue to ignore the 5 BILLION POUND ELEPHANT in the room here? Deflategate seem to elude you down there in Carolina? Mike Kensil quitting his job, he held for 20 as HEAD of the NY Jets football operations to take a job in the shadows working as a catspaw for Roger Goodell? A CEO in the NFL quitting to work in obscurity to spring out on NATIONAL TV and scream "AHA!!!!! GOTCHA!!!!"? You believed THAT???????????
There is NO ONE ON PLANET EARTH IN MANKIND'S HISTORY WHO WOULD DO WHAT KENSIL DID....you deny THIS? Do YOU know why Kensil suddenly disappeared for TWO years to research NFL expansion in China? While Goodell promised gauged checks of footballs the next season that NEVER EVER TOOK PLACE THEN OR SINCE????
Are you PRETENDING to NOT KNOW THIS????? It's COMMON, RESEARCHED ,VALID KNOWLEDGE and obvious to even a profoundly ignorant sub-moron that there has been a league cabal aimed to derail the Patriots and Bill Belichick since the Goodell coup pulled by the old money scumbags Mara , Rooney and others in 2006.

JarOfMayo51 · Jul 24, 2020

neuronet said:
Oh boy. You were doing so well before.

This one is a siren! He had the lure in my mouth, but fortunately was able to spit it out just in time

JarOfMayo51 · Jul 24, 2020

Conflicted Panthers fan said:
For what it’s worth (nothing), Panthers players have said it felt like the Pats were in their huddle the entire first half, and so the Panthers completely scraped their gameplan at halftime, and you see how the second half turned out.

Yea it is very interesting that for the first half of the game, with the Pats presumably having all of their plays from recording them, weren't able to accomplish much of anything on offense. Then the second half, where the Panthers as you stated completely scraped their playbooks, the Pats offense started steamrolling.

I guess the idea of half time adjustments is a foreign concept in Carolina. I bet Russel Wilson thought the Pats were in their huddle when Malcolm Butler stole a SB from him, too.

Sorry Jakey Delhomme didn't get to have his special moment and become the next Kurt Warner

Lifelong Panthers fan AMA (ask me anything) Cam Edition

Practice Squad Player

Pro Bowl Player

Practice Squad Player

3rd runner up sexiest man alive 1998

3rd runner up sexiest man alive 1998

Practice Squad Player

Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

Practice Squad Player

PatsFans.com Supporter

Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

3rd runner up sexiest man alive 1998

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

Similar threads