Ossi heads to Nashville

Laurence Maroney over my draft binkie D'Angelo Willkams and Maurice Jones Drew.
Chad Jackson over Greg Jennings.
Not only did We take Jackson over Jennings we traded all the way up to get him with Green Bay who no doubt laughed maniacally as they sat patiently and drafted Jennings.

BB: Hey new guy, pull out the Rutgers tape and have a look, maybe we missed a hidden gem

borg said:

BB: Hey new guy, pull out the Rutgers tape and have a look, maybe we missed a hidden gem

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I nominate Wolf ,the man has picked very good players.
I don’t care he just got here he is proven.

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out!

For what its worth, his contract was up and we did not choose to renew. Yes, we was blocked by BB and Caserio, but I would think we would have retained him if he was THAT good.

Can he take Caserio with him?

notex said:

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out!

For what its worth, his contract was up and we did not choose to renew. Yes, we was blocked by BB and Caserio, but I would think we would have retained him if he was THAT good.

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Not if he wanted a promotion

How are we ever going to recover without all of those mediocre draft suggestions from Ossi ?

Was Easley the first pick we made after promoting Monty in 2014?

With no college football in 2020, the Pats can use his analysis again next year, the Titans get nothing the Pats don't already have.

OT: Are we looking at a 14 game season in 2020?
or NO season?

I.M. Fletcher said:

by the end of the year, the last three drafts will have likely produced

QB1
RB1, RB2
WR2, WR 4
TE1, TE2
LT

Starting
OLB
Mike
CB2, CB4
Star

P
PK
PR
KR

and a host of other roster depth positions.

we have had much worse draft windows in our history than we have the past few years

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No offense Cousin. Your opinion is well noted.
Now take those picks, drop down a pick or two or three and see who the Pats could have had. In my humble opinion, Ossi was talent challenged.
Perhaps Ziegler and Smith should join him. One can hope.
Cousin remember:
Anyone can Draft roster fillers. It's the players that were missed surrounding our picks that hurt.

We can dissect the last five years 2014-2018 and find a better roster that was available.

>The last five years in the Draft have been not too kind to the Pats. The last 10 years worse.

>The average success rate of an NFL Team Draft is 17%-19% during a fair three-year evaluation.

>These are players still on their Drafted Teams. The successes are measured in Pro Bowl type careers; full-time starter, valuable back up that CANNOT BE REPLACED, and special Teams piece.

2914 James White out of nine.

2015 Mason and Cordona two from eleven and one , no offense to him , is a snapper

2016 Thuney (who may be gone by camp)

2017 2 roster fillers so "0"

2018 Fragile Wynn and more fragile Michel plus a definite maybe in Bentley and '"See you later Izzo" roster filler.
Monti COULD HAVE HAD: D.J. Moore, WR, Maryland (Round 1, Pick 24)Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville (Round 1, Pick 32) Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma (Round 3, Pick 86)

2019 Every one of the picks but one is still on the Roster. Not fair to grade them yet. Winovitch and Bailey are the only ones of note except one more .....Stidham. Most will be gone by year three......including Stidham! The Pats could have had Drew Locke. Would you feel more comfortable with Drew Locke as the 2020 Patriots starting QB?

So since 2014 and not including a fair evaluation of 2019, we have had 7 reasonable Draft picks. Three are starters, One's a part-time starter and one's a snapper. You can't count 2019-2020 as they are INC.

Put your hand up if you think the Patriots Draft well. That is about a 9% success. Let's hope 2019 and 2020 bring us better.
DW Toys

I would give the above post an "A" for a grade.

ChrisR2223 said:

Laurence Maroney over my draft binkie D'Angelo Willkams and Maurice Jones Drew.
Chad Jackson over Greg Jennings.
Not only did We take Jackson over Jennings we traded all the way up to get him with Green Bay who no doubt laughed maniacally as they sat patiently and drafted Jennings.

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That's Josh McDaniels. Belichick listened to his assistant coach over the strong objections of his own national scouts. This was well documented in books.

DW Toys said:

No offense Cousin. Your opinion is well noted.
Now take those picks, drop down a pick or two or three and see who the Pats could have had. In my humble opinion, Ossi was talent challenged.
Perhaps Ziegler and Smith should join him. One can hope.
Cousin remember:
Anyone can Draft roster fillers. It's the players that were missed surrounding our picks that hurt.

We can dissect the last five years 2014-2018 and find a better roster that was available.

>The last five years in the Draft have been not too kind to the Pats. The last 10 years worse.

>The average success rate of an NFL Team Draft is 17%-19% during a fair three-year evaluation.

>These are players still on their Drafted Teams. The successes are measured in Pro Bowl type careers; full-time starter, valuable back up that CANNOT BE REPLACED, and special Teams piece.

2914 James White out of nine.

2015 Mason and Cordona two from eleven and one , no offense to him , is a snapper

2016 Thuney (who may be gone by camp)

2017 2 roster fillers so "0"

2018 Fragile Wynn and more fragile Michel plus a definite maybe in Bentley and '"See you later Izzo" roster filler.
Monti COULD HAVE HAD: D.J. Moore, WR, Maryland (Round 1, Pick 24)Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville (Round 1, Pick 32) Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma (Round 3, Pick 86)

2019 Every one of the picks but one is still on the Roster. Not fair to grade them yet. Winovitch and Bailey are the only ones of note except one more .....Stidham. Most will be gone by year three......including Stidham! The Pats could have had Drew Locke. Would you feel more comfortable with Drew Locke as the 2020 Patriots starting QB?

So since 2014 and not including a fair evaluation of 2019, we have had 7 reasonable Draft picks. Three are starters, One's a part-time starter and one's a snapper. You can't count 2019-2020 as they are INC.

Put your hand up if you think the Patriots Draft well. That is about a 9% success. Let's hope 2019 and 2020 bring us better.
DW Toys

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True but to play devil's advocate, these times coincide with McDaniels coming back to the team and he sucks as a talent evaluator. We had very good drafts those 3 years McDaniels was gone. Very bad drafts before he left (Maroney, Chad Jackson, Dave Thomas, Garrett Mills) and bad drafts after he came back (Sony Michel, N'Keal Harry, etc).

BlueThunder said:

OT: Are we looking at a 14 game season in 2020?
or NO season?

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Yes.

DW Toys said:

No offense Cousin. Your opinion is well noted.
Now take those picks, drop down a pick or two or three and see who the Pats could have had. In my humble opinion, Ossi was talent challenged.
Perhaps Ziegler and Smith should join him. One can hope.
Cousin remember:
Anyone can Draft roster fillers. It's the players that were missed surrounding our picks that hurt.

We can dissect the last five years 2014-2018 and find a better roster that was available.

>The last five years in the Draft have been not too kind to the Pats. The last 10 years worse.

>The average success rate of an NFL Team Draft is 17%-19% during a fair three-year evaluation.

>These are players still on their Drafted Teams. The successes are measured in Pro Bowl type careers; full-time starter, valuable back up that CANNOT BE REPLACED, and special Teams piece.

2914 James White out of nine.

2015 Mason and Cordona two from eleven and one , no offense to him , is a snapper

2016 Thuney (who may be gone by camp)

2017 2 roster fillers so "0"

2018 Fragile Wynn and more fragile Michel plus a definite maybe in Bentley and '"See you later Izzo" roster filler.
Monti COULD HAVE HAD: D.J. Moore, WR, Maryland (Round 1, Pick 24)Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville (Round 1, Pick 32) Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma (Round 3, Pick 86)

2019 Every one of the picks but one is still on the Roster. Not fair to grade them yet. Winovitch and Bailey are the only ones of note except one more .....Stidham. Most will be gone by year three......including Stidham! The Pats could have had Drew Locke. Would you feel more comfortable with Drew Locke as the 2020 Patriots starting QB?

So since 2014 and not including a fair evaluation of 2019, we have had 7 reasonable Draft picks. Three are starters, One's a part-time starter and one's a snapper. You can't count 2019-2020 as they are INC.

Put your hand up if you think the Patriots Draft well. That is about a 9% success. Let's hope 2019 and 2020 bring us better.
DW Toys

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I don’t have any problem throwing the 14-17 drafts in the garbage pile.

I specifically focused on the most recent history since that seems to be the greatest driver in fan anger.

I think it’s fine to have questions on some of the picks, or question some of the blatant misses (I’ll never understand why Kittle isn’t a Pat), but I think 12 months from now, the perception of these three drafts will change dramatically.

If we get to the end of this year with a legitimate QB1, you can throw all the other picks in the garbage, and it will still be a significant win. I obviously think we will have a lot more to show for it, but time will tell the whole tale.

cheers

Ossi, Caserio, Ziegler, McDaniels all provide input into the draft but there has never been an instance where Bill says “Ok Ossi....this pick is all you”. In the end Bill is going to pick who he wants.

ChrisR2223 said:

It's not just the Ossi Vrabel has been a thorn in our side.
Whether it's trading In front of us to take players.
Or beating us to Adam Humphries.
I respect the Titans but they are getting to the top of my disliked teams list.

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You mean THE Adam Humphries that managed a whole 15 more yards than UDFA Jakobi Meyers?

Ochmed Jones said:

Was Easley the first pick we made after promoting Monty in 2014?

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Don't know about that one, but did I not read that Easily was recommended to Billy by Mikey Lombardi?

captain stone said:

Don't know about that one, but did I not read that Easily was recommended to Billy by Mikey Lombardi?

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could be. Maybe Monty was the fact checker on Easley.
In retrospect, bb should have hired Stevie wonder instead of Monty.