FanDuel: Pats -190 to sign Cam Newton (now +220)

primetime · Apr 27, 2020

luuked said:
It is called opportunity cost.

Stidham's growth would be accelerated with actual game experience. The team would have a better idea whether it is worth investing more resources into him or if he'd reach some kind of not satisfactory plateau and the QB position needs to be addressed again next year. Right now a lot of him is still projection.

Yes, it is less projection than a year ago when he was drafted but there is no knowing "for sure" until he actually steps onto the field and shows he can stay poised and throw accurate passes while elite pass rushers are jumping straight for him or opponent DCs are ****ing with his reads via disguises and whatnot.

Of course you gotta balance his development with success right now so if Newton actually is available for cheap there is a point where getting him will be value. But it is easy for us to write that he has no leverage so the team should be able to just sign him for whatever. The reality is that he is already a pretty rich dude and can easily just sit out and wait to see if someone's QB gets injured or melts down and then come in with leverage.

For what it's worth, I suspect the reason Cam's still a free agent is because the pandemic is making it impossible for teams to clear him physically.

sb1 said:
Speaking of small sample size how did Brady’s final pass as a Patriot turn out?

Well I guess we should be fitting Stidham for his bust in Canton then, since he and Brady both threw a pick six! I know you're being intentionally obtuse here but come on.

mgteich · Apr 27, 2020

luuked said:
It is called opportunity cost.

Stidham's growth would be accelerated with actual game experience. The team would have a better idea whether it is worth investing more resources into him or if he'd reach some kind of not satisfactory plateau and the QB position needs to be addressed again next year. Right now a lot of him is still projection.

Yes, it is less projection than a year ago when he was drafted but there is no knowing "for sure" until he actually steps onto the field and shows he can stay poised and throw accurate passes while elite pass rushers are jumping straight for him or opponent DCs are ****ing with his reads via disguises and whatnot.

Of course you gotta balance his development with success right now so if Newton actually is available for cheap there is a point where getting him will be value. But it is easy for us to write that he has no leverage so the team should be able to just sign him for whatever. The reality is that he is already a pretty rich dude and can easily just sit out and wait to see if someone's QB gets injured or melts down and then come in with leverage.

What you are proposing is having an inexperienced 4th rounder start in the hope that he is a future top 10 quarterback. And then, when the most likely occurs, you would draft a quarterback next year and expect to start the rookie. Do I have this right?
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Personally, I believe that Belichick put the best team possible on the field and tries to win each game, trying his best to get the team into the playoffs. I can't see playing a whole season with Stidham as the starter just so he can get reps.
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Perhaps, Belichick has already decided that Stidham is one the best picks ever, a franchise or top 10 quarterback in the 4th round. It is not like Bill to have no Plan B.

sb1 · Apr 27, 2020

primetime said:
For what it's worth, I suspect the reason Cam's still a free agent is because the pandemic is making it impossible for teams to clear him physically.

Well I guess we should be fitting Stidham for his bust in Canton then, since he and Brady both threw a pick six!

It’s just silly imo to judge Stidham on a sequence of 4 plays.I remember how awful Brady was when he was green and it was a lot more than 4 plays.

if Bill is all in on a rebuild with Stidham then they should give him a real shot.

primetime · Apr 27, 2020

sb1 said:
It’s just silly imo to judge Stidham on a sequence of 4 plays.I remember how awful Brady was when he was green and it was a lot more than 4 plays.

if Bill is all in on a rebuild with Stidham then they should give him a real shot.

I wasn't judging him on that, just saying those are the only regular season snaps he's taken and they're not exactly reason for the sort of unbridled optimism you're seeing about Stidham here that should make anyone confident in him as a day one starter. Most of the stuff about Stidham is just religion: "Well the coaching staff must like him so he must be good."

luuked · Apr 27, 2020

mgteich said:
What you are proposing is having an inexperienced 4th rounder start in the hope that he is a future top 10 quarterback. And then, when the most likely occurs, you would draft a quarterback next year and expect to start the rookie. Do I have this right?

The coaching staff who has spent an entire year developing Stidham last year seems to be comfortable enough with where he is now to not draft any of the early QBs. You might think this is coincidence, I personally think that he has shown enough growth for them to be optimistic about him.

I am not saying we close our eyes and hope the inexperienced 4th rounder surprises us all but that his daily performances -- which we are not privy to -- seem to have convinced enough people on the inside to stay away from QBs in the draft. And we should have trust into that evaluation.

sb1 · Apr 27, 2020

Like I said already Bill is chasing Shula too. And he’s going to throw a season away in the trash and reduce his chances of catching him? No way.

primetime · Apr 27, 2020

sb1 said:
Like I said already Bill is chasing Shula too. And he’s going to throw a season away in the trash and reduce his chances of catching him? No way.

I agree, but if that's the case, why wouldn't he sign the player at the most important position in football who gives the team the best chance to succeed?

Boston Boxer · Apr 27, 2020

Deus Irae said:
Makes sense, if Thuney is moved

that's is the only way they can shed enough cap space for Cam. I still prefer to go with Stidham...and i am a Cam Newton fan

luuked · Apr 27, 2020

primetime said:
Most of the stuff about Stidham is just religion: "Well the coaching staff must like him so he must be good."

What about this is religion ?

They have been around him every day this past season and know more than anyone else about where he is right now. This is the same front office that shipped Brissett after his second camp because he clearly did not make the necessary jump yet and cut Hoyer over carrying 3 QBs last year.

What else is there to go on ?

lancerman · Apr 27, 2020

sb1 said:
Not a chance Bill will do that.

Bill’s smart. He will make the smart move. Don’t mistake winning with the GOAT for a compulsive need to not rebuild

sb1 · Apr 27, 2020

primetime said:
I wasn't judging him on that, just saying those are the only regular season snaps he's taken and they're not exactly reason for the sort of unbridled optimism you're seeing about Stidham here that should make anyone confident in him as a day one starter. Most of the stuff about Stidham is just religion: "Well the coaching staff must like him so he must be good."

For sure - but he is being judged by that (don't mean to imply you just in general) and it's silly to use a sample size like that in a non meaningful situation. I remember how horrendous Brady was in 2001 in a few games and the team rightfully stuck with him. Honestly I don't count him entering that Jets game as meaningful football, the pick 6 was irrelevant to the result so even if he was great it wouldn't have meant much to me.

If he is our day one starter I really don't think we'll see him take charge of an offense like Brady did. Ideally it will be a new offense based on the running game imo.

Ring 6 · Apr 27, 2020

mgteich said:
What you are proposing is having an inexperienced 4th rounder start in the hope that he is a future top 10 quarterback. And then, when the most likely occurs, you would draft a quarterback next year and expect to start the rookie. Do I have this right?
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Personally, I believe that Belichick put the best team possible on the field and tries to win each game, trying his best to get the team into the playoffs. I can't see playing a whole season with Stidham as the starter just so he can get reps.
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Perhaps, Belichick has already decided that Stidham is one the best picks ever, a franchise or top 10 quarterback in the 4th round. It is not like Bill to have no Plan B.

If there were another viable QB to bring in and compete that would be fine. But there are none. Wasting a year on a slug is pointless.
My assumption is that we are where we are because Belichick has assessed Stidham and feels he has sufficient talent and it ready, much like he did 20 years ago.
That doesn’t mean Stidham is brady, no one is. It means Belichick is comfortable with him as his QB. And I trust that evaluation.
In the end if Stidham craps our we are in exactly the same boat as if we had brother in one of the failures.
The way this organization is run teaching how to QB the way they want it done is better than fitting a square peg in a round hole.

sb1 · Apr 27, 2020

primetime said:
I agree, but if that's the case, why wouldn't he sign the player at the most important position in football who gives the team the best chance to succeed?

Only Bill knows that. Maybe he really is that confident in Stidham, or he has a plan B somewhere. I really don't think he's going to trash a season and that's why the Lawrence talk imo is a pipe dream.

Chevrolet · Apr 27, 2020

sb1 said:
It’s just silly imo to judge Stidham on a sequence of 4 plays.I remember how awful Brady was when he was green and it was a lot more than 4 plays.

if Bill is all in on a rebuild with Stidham then they should give him a real shot.

Does not make sense to annoint Stidham the starter without seeing more of him in regular season games. For this reason, I completely agree with the poster who predicts Hoyer will start the season and unless Hoyer lights it up, Stidham will be gradually transitioned in.

Unfortunately I think Cam is very unlikely because of this pandemic. It would take him quite a while to get a feel for the playbook and get on same page as BB and teammates and I just do not see BB signing him to anything more than a 1 year contract. By the time Cam got up to speed, half the year would be over....not to mention the cap space difficulties.

So, I think its Hoyer for first 3-4 games, if he does not excel...Stidham will get a chance.

Ring 6 · Apr 27, 2020

primetime said:
I wasn't judging him on that, just saying those are the only regular season snaps he's taken and they're not exactly reason for the sort of unbridled optimism you're seeing about Stidham here that should make anyone confident in him as a day one starter. Most of the stuff about Stidham is just religion: "Well the coaching staff must like him so he must be good."

If you believe the coaching staff is good and can evaluate the QBs position well, as well as do a good job coaching the position then it’s not “religion” it is confidence based on track record. I trust this coaching staff. Whether you do or not us your call.

sb1 · Apr 27, 2020

Chevrolet said:
Does not make sense to annoint Stidham the starter without seeing more of him in regular season games. For this reason, I completely agree with the poster who predicts Hoyer will start the season and unless Hoyer lights it up, Stidham will be gradually transitioned in.

Unfortunately I think Cam is very unlikely because of this pandemic. It would take him quite a while to get a feel for the playbook and get on same page as BB and teammates and I just do not see BB signing him to anything more than a 1 year contract. By the time Cam got up to speed, half the year would be over....not to mention the cap space difficulties.

So, I think its Hoyer for first 3-4 games, if he does not excel...Stidham will get a chance.

Could be Hoyer on day 1. If so we’ll at least see more of Stidham coming in a game something that never happened with Brady.

primetime · Apr 27, 2020

Ring 6 said:
I trust this coaching staff

oh, we know

sb1 · Apr 27, 2020

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Ring 6 · Apr 27, 2020

primetime said:
oh, we know

Thanks don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t. Greatest success of any staff in the history of the league.
Are you saying you don’t?

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