FanDuel: Pats -190 to sign Cam Newton (now +220)

Cancer Newton brings nothing but his "Me Superman" attitude and sulking on the bench with a towel over his head.

Great mentor for Stidham or any up and coming QB the Pats add to the roster.

Hoyer can step in tomorrow and run the Pats system. Stidham will have 2 training camps down on opening day. Dont the Pats want to know for sure what they have at QB heading into the 2021 draft? BB wisely passed on Crablegs Winston who threw for nearly 5000 yards last season. Its no to Can Newton as well.

Triumph said:

Nice work. You just blew up your own argument.

If BB wanted Newton then why was he planning to draft a QB?

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You do know the draft is over and they did not draft a QB, right? How much bleach have you drank, to be clear?

If Healthy, Newton is a tremendous athlete. It would be interesting to see what kind of offense McDaniels (who clearly already has it drawn up, otherwise he wouldn't have shot his HC load on the Tebow pick) would scheme for him. Newton is bigger than Hightower, if you combined him with a solid running attack and a great defense, that could be a good recipe.

If you want him to run the Brady offense, then he would be a diaster.

I'm intrigued about the possiblity, but wonder how bad Cam would do with the Boston media. They would surely eat him alive.

God no , he is done.

primetime said:

You do know the draft is over and they did not draft a QB, right? How much bleach have you drank, to be clear?

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Newman was already available when you claim BB wanted to draft a QB because he isnt confident in Stidham. Your incoherent ramblings are typically idiotic, but this pretzel logic takes the cake.

Instead of signing Newton (who you claim BB likes now) BB was ready to draft a QB who would sit on the bench.Too funny.

Triumph said:

Newman was already available when you claim BB wanted to draft a QB because he isnt confident in Stidham. Your incoherent ramblings are typically idiotic, but this pretzel logic takes the cake.

Instead of signing Newton (who you claim BB likes now) BB was ready to draft a QB who would sit on the bench.Too funny.

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Hoyer is toast and Stidham is unproven. All alternatives should and will be explored (see signing of UDFA Lewerke).

primetime said:

Because their current depth chart at the most important position in sports is a mediocre veteran NFL quarterback, a 4th round second year player whose only throws in anger ended in a pick six, and two undrafted rookies.

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You've said this a couple of times...can you fill in the blanks for me?

betterthanthealternative said:

You've said this a couple of times...can you fill in the blanks for me?

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Stidham's one series of snaps in an NFL game last year:

4 8:41 1 10 NWE 45 Jarrett Stidham pass complete short right to Phillip Dorsett for 11 yards (tackle by Nate Hairston) 7 30 1.930 2.650
4 8:02 1 10 NYJ 44 Jarrett Stidham sacked by Neville Hewitt for -7 yards 7 30 2.650 1.170
4 7:16 2 17 NWE 49 Jarrett Stidham pass complete short right to Rex Burkhead for 3 yards (tackle by Frankie Luvu) 7 30 1.170 0.890
4 6:34 3 14 NYJ 48 Jarrett Stidham pass short right intended for Brandon Bolden is intercepted by Jamal Adams at NYJ-39 and returned for 61 yards, touchdown 13 30 0.890 -7.000
4 6:23 NWE 15 Sam Ficken kicks extra point good

primetime said:

Stidham's one series of snaps in an NFL game last year:

4 8:41 1 10 NWE 45 Jarrett Stidham pass complete short right to Phillip Dorsett for 11 yards (tackle by Nate Hairston) 7 30 1.930 2.650
4 8:02 1 10 NYJ 44 Jarrett Stidham sacked by Neville Hewitt for -7 yards 7 30 2.650 1.170
4 7:16 2 17 NWE 49 Jarrett Stidham pass complete short right to Rex Burkhead for 3 yards (tackle by Frankie Luvu) 7 30 1.170 0.890
4 6:34 3 14 NYJ 48 Jarrett Stidham pass short right intended for Brandon Bolden is intercepted by Jamal Adams at NYJ-39 and returned for 61 yards, touchdown 13 30 0.890 -7.000
4 6:23 NWE 15 Sam Ficken kicks extra point good

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I think he was asking what you meant by the throw being "in anger".

primetime said:

Stidham's one series of snaps in an NFL game last year:

4 8:41 1 10 NWE 45 Jarrett Stidham pass complete short right to Phillip Dorsett for 11 yards (tackle by Nate Hairston) 7 30 1.930 2.650
4 8:02 1 10 NYJ 44 Jarrett Stidham sacked by Neville Hewitt for -7 yards 7 30 2.650 1.170
4 7:16 2 17 NWE 49 Jarrett Stidham pass complete short right to Rex Burkhead for 3 yards (tackle by Frankie Luvu) 7 30 1.170 0.890
4 6:34 3 14 NYJ 48 Jarrett Stidham pass short right intended for Brandon Bolden is intercepted by Jamal Adams at NYJ-39 and returned for 61 yards, touchdown 13 30 0.890 -7.000
4 6:23 NWE 15 Sam Ficken kicks extra point good

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Thanks. What stands out WRT anger?

I am not a Cam fan, but the guy's upside is MVP level, obviously. I mean, he's actually won one. He wouldn't need to be that for the Pats. All he'd need to be is good. His last healthy year was 2018. Here were his numbers:

67.9%, 3,395 yds, 7.2 y/a, 24 td, 13 int, 94.2 rating, 488 rush yds, 4.8 ypc, 4 td

That would be just fine given the rest of this roster. If they signed him for two years, allowing Stidham to get better and then take over when Cam's contract is up, that would probably work out pretty well.

Would have to move salary though. Dealing Thuney would be painful given how good he is, but that's probably the only way to make it happen.

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Thanks. What stands out WRT anger?

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Oh, just a turn of phrase meaning it was in a game that meant something as opposed to practice or preseason.

ivanvamp said:

I am not a Cam fan, but the guy's upside is MVP level, obviously. I mean, he's actually won one. He wouldn't need to be that for the Pats. All he'd need to be is good. His last healthy year was 2018. Here were his numbers:

67.9%, 3,395 yds, 7.2 y/a, 24 td, 13 int, 94.2 rating, 488 rush yds, 4.8 ypc, 4 td

That would be just fine given the rest of this roster. If they signed him for two years, allowing Stidham to get better and then take over when Cam's contract is up, that would probably work out pretty well.

Would have to move salary though. Dealing Thuney would be painful given how good he is, but that's probably the only way to make it happen.

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I guess the question is why does Stidham need two years of riding the bench to get better?

If they think Stidham is the QB of the future, then just let him compete with Hoyer for the job and if he wins it, give him this season to show he has the potential. If he doesn't, then we have a decent draft pick and can draft a QB in round 1 this year.

If you sign Newton then you just delay Stidham's development.

TB_Helmet said:

I guess the question is why does Stidham need two years of riding the bench to get better?

If they think Stidham is the QB of the future, then just let him compete with Hoyer for the job and if he wins it, give him this season to show he has the potential. If he doesn't, then we have a decent draft pick and can draft a QB in round 1 this year.

If you sign Newton then you just delay Stidham's development.

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You might delay Stidham's development, but you also might be MUCH more competitive these next two years with Cam. And who knows...maybe after those two years, Cam is playing fantastic and they just stick with him. He'd only be 32 at that point.

I don't think any of this happens though. I think Stidham is their guy.

TB_Helmet said:

I guess the question is why does Stidham need two years of riding the bench to get better?

If they think Stidham is the QB of the future, then just let him compete with Hoyer for the job and if he wins it, give him this season to show he has the potential. If he doesn't, then we have a decent draft pick and can draft a QB in round 1 this year.

If you sign Newton then you just delay Stidham's development.

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The way I look at is that Stidham's a high variance option, we don't really know anything about what the guy can do but the history of 4th round QBs as starters on relatively bad offenses is not a particularly great one so the range of potential outcomes extends more into the 'disastrously bad' realm and less into the 'outrageously good' realm. At a certain point an offense can be so bad that even a good defense can't rescue it.

Hoyer and Newton are less likely to have a disastrous season, especially with a top defense, but the range of potential outcomes with Newton extends further into the 'good' side than does Hoyer's. Cam was, after all, an NFL MVP in 2015 and was a top-10 QB two years ago when he was (relatively) healthy and adds a rushing dimension to his game even if he's diminished from that when he was MVP. Hoyer, meanwhile, is a known quantity, he's started on all sorts of squads and led one to the playoffs, at best you're hoping for a Case Keenum-Vikings season. Cam's been successful on teams with relatively less talent at skill positions, Hoyer's best season came with DeAndre Hopkins.

Guess it all depends how comfortable you are with a potential disaster that still probably doesn't end with the #1 overall pick, versus a chance (however slight) of a deep playoff run. I guess Stidham could provide that but the likelihood is that he will not.

Flash said:

What do we have to lose? Nothing.

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It is called opportunity cost.

Stidham's growth would be accelerated with actual game experience. The team would have a better idea whether it is worth investing more resources into him or if he'd reach some kind of not satisfactory plateau and the QB position needs to be addressed again next year. Right now a lot of him is still projection.

Yes, it is less projection than a year ago when he was drafted but there is no knowing "for sure" until he actually steps onto the field and shows he can stay poised and throw accurate passes while elite pass rushers are jumping straight for him or opponent DCs are ****ing with his reads via disguises and whatnot.

Of course you gotta balance his development with success right now so if Newton actually is available for cheap there is a point where getting him will be value. But it is easy for us to write that he has no leverage so the team should be able to just sign him for whatever. The reality is that he is already a pretty rich dude and can easily just sit out and wait to see if someone's QB gets injured or melts down and then come in with leverage.

primetime said:

Stidham's one series of snaps in an NFL game last year:

4 8:41 1 10 NWE 45 Jarrett Stidham pass complete short right to Phillip Dorsett for 11 yards (tackle by Nate Hairston) 7 30 1.930 2.650
4 8:02 1 10 NYJ 44 Jarrett Stidham sacked by Neville Hewitt for -7 yards 7 30 2.650 1.170
4 7:16 2 17 NWE 49 Jarrett Stidham pass complete short right to Rex Burkhead for 3 yards (tackle by Frankie Luvu) 7 30 1.170 0.890
4 6:34 3 14 NYJ 48 Jarrett Stidham pass short right intended for Brandon Bolden is intercepted by Jamal Adams at NYJ-39 and returned for 61 yards, touchdown 13 30 0.890 -7.000
4 6:23 NWE 15 Sam Ficken kicks extra point good

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Speaking of small sample size how did Brady’s final pass as a Patriot turn out?

TB_Helmet said:

I guess the question is why does Stidham need two years of riding the bench to get better?

If they think Stidham is the QB of the future, then just let him compete with Hoyer for the job and if he wins it, give him this season to show he has the potential. If he doesn't, then we have a decent draft pick and can draft a QB in round 1 this year.

If you sign Newton then you just delay Stidham's development.

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Give Stidham 5-6 games. If they hit 1-4 or 2-4 at the end and he isn’t playing well, pull the plug and get Lawrence

primetime said:

The way I look at is that Stidham's a high variance option, we don't really know anything about what the guy can do but the history of 4th round QBs as starters on relatively bad offenses is not a particularly great one so the range of potential outcomes extends more into the 'disastrously bad' realm and less into the 'outrageously good' realm. At a certain point an offense can be so bad that even a good defense can't rescue it.

Hoyer and Newton are less likely to have a disastrous season, especially with a top defense, but the range of potential outcomes with Newton extends further into the 'good' side than does Hoyer's. Cam was, after all, an NFL MVP in 2015 and was a top-10 QB two years ago when he was (relatively) healthy and adds a rushing dimension to his game even if he's diminished from that when he was MVP. Hoyer, meanwhile, is a known quantity, he's started on all sorts of squads and led one to the playoffs, at best you're hoping for a Case Keenum-Vikings season. Cam's been successful on teams with relatively less talent at skill positions, Hoyer's best season came with DeAndre Hopkins.

Guess it all depends how comfortable you are with a potential disaster that still probably doesn't end with the #1 overall pick, versus a chance (however slight) of a deep playoff run. I guess Stidham could provide that but the likelihood is that he will not.

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Even if Stidham is a disaster we are not going to be in a position to get the 1 seed. This is not the Rod Rust Patriots.

lancerman said:

Give Stidham 5-6 games. If they hit 1-4 or 2-4 at the end and he isn’t playing well, pull the plug and get Lawrence

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Not a chance Bill will do that.