NFLPA committee voted for new CBA.

Giving goodell* total control is a Joke! There was/is/never will be an 'unbiased, arbiTRAITOR'
(See wells report*) and we all know 345 park ave* sees who they want to hand out harsh penalties, fines, suspensions (See Pats, Brady) and who they let slide (See jets* giants*).

There should be penalties set in stone FOR ALL 32 Owners, Teams such as -
1st Time Offenders of Substance Abuse, Domestic Violence, Cheating Etc with Penalties.
2nd Time Offenders Increase Penalties
3rd Time Offenders Etc Etc Etc.
This way there is no loop hole, or misunderstanding of what rules were broken and what penalties they should receive with consequences.

NFLPA better smarten up and play hard ball and not drop to their knees when negotiating.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

I’m 99% sure Elijah was being sarcastic with his comment about DUIs. And he was responding to Deus, who was making a larger point about why off-field misconduct has nothing to do with football, not about DUIs being minor.

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I was being sarcastic but I don't think the NFL is right to punish players for it. My take is that it's a weird hill to choose to die on, and probably not the biggest discussion point in the whole CBA proposal.

I'd also add that if any of us got a DUI we'd just lose our job outright and immediately.

Elijah said:

I was being sarcastic but I don't think the NFL is right to punish players for it. My take is that it's a weird hill to choose to die on, and probably not the biggest discussion point in the whole CBA proposal.

I'd also add that if any of us got a DUI we'd just lose our job outright and immediately.

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How so? Unless you work for a municipality or some level of government (a firefighter, for example), your job wouldn’t know about it.

KontradictioN said:

How so? Unless you work for a municipality or some level of government (a firefighter, for example), your job wouldn’t know about it.

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I mean, I assume many businesses keep up with local news and arrest logs. Every job I've ever had came with a binding agreement that I'd inform them of arrests.

Elijah said:

I mean, I assume many businesses keep up with local news and arrest logs. Every job I've ever had came with a binding agreement that I'd inform them of arrests.

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Not that I’ve ever heard of. We told people we do that, but we don’t. Thats usually why companies ask you to self-report... because they don’t really check. Even then, I’ve known quite a few people that work in the private sector that have gotten DUIs and didn’t get fired. It’s the public sector jobs where that data is transmitted automatically between the authorities and the company. They usually do those checks on Mondays.

New CBA doesn’t diminish Commissioner’s ultimate power over Personal Conduct Policy cases

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Under the new CBA, the league has the right to appeal the decision of the Disciplinary Officer to the Commissioner, who can (based on the record presented to the Disciplinary Officer) impose greater discipline than the discipline imposed by the Disciplinary Officer.

In other words, the Commissioner still has final say, given that the Commissioner has the power to go farther than the Disciplinary Officer went. So the alteration to the process is basically window dressing.

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New CBA doesn't diminish Commissioner's ultimate power over Personal Conduct Policy cases - ProFootballTalk

No way in hell the players should accept that.

Deus Irae said:

New CBA doesn't diminish Commissioner's ultimate power over Personal Conduct Policy cases - ProFootballTalk

No way in hell the players should accept that.

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The NFLPA motto is "every man for himself". As much as people here (and in Dallas during the Elliott suspension) got outraged over the Commissioner's powers, the overwhelming majority just doesn't care. They just aren't going to sacrifice anything for a rule which impacts what? 1 player a year on average?

6 more days until we know about the CBA...and a week until we have a good feel about how serious Brady is about leaving.

KontradictioN said:

Not that I’ve ever heard of. We told people we do that, but we don’t. Thats usually why companies ask you to self-report... because they don’t really check. Even then, I’ve known quite a few people that work in the private sector that have gotten DUIs and didn’t get fired. It’s the public sector jobs where that data is transmitted automatically between the authorities and the company. They usually do those checks on Mondays.

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Even in the public sector, you're probably not getting fired unless your job duties specifically require you to operate a motor vehicle, and even then they probably won't fire you unless you lose your license as a result. (And then all the due process to fire you in most states will take a long time, so you're more likely to get a suspension without pay.) To wit, this is a pretty bleak quote from a case where a Capitol Police officer drove drunk, destroyed property, and fled the scene with his service weapon... he ultimately got a 30 day suspension, not fired.

"Third, the Arbitrator determined that the USCP had an established past practice of dealing with a long list of employees with DUI arrests, weapon violations, interference with criminal investigations, as well as taking lewd photos of civilian females in handcuffs, which have resulted in limited 5 to 30 day suspensions."

When they were downsizing the military under the last administration, DUI arrests near the end of a contract term often led to the offender being politely told not to extend their contract and re-enlist, but they would still get an honorable discharge so long as they did so.

Interesting that Drew Brees is in favor of it, though it's clear he didn't get into the details of the changes:

Drew Brees Hopeful NFL’s New Collective Bargaining Agreement Will Pass

XLIX said:

The NFLPA motto is "every man for himself". As much as people here (and in Dallas during the Elliott suspension) got outraged over the Commissioner's powers, the overwhelming majority just doesn't care. They just aren't going to sacrifice anything for a rule which impacts what? 1 player a year on average?

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So, how much compensation do YOU think every player should give up for the 1 player a year who MIGHT be affected?

mgteich said:

So, how much compensation do YOU think every player should give up for the 1 player a year who MIGHT be affected?

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Not to mention that that one or two potentially affected players per year the vast majority of the time (though not always, like in Brady’s case) have it fully in their control to simply not behave in a way that would violate the personal conduct policy. So players can easily prevent themselves from being before Goodell on stuff like this in the first place, which rightfully makes them even more reluctant to trade $ for a neutral arbitrator for those cases.

mgteich said:

So, how much compensation do YOU think every player should give up for the 1 player a year who MIGHT be affected?

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What makes YOU think I think they should give anything up for that?

XLIX said:

What makes YOU think I think they should give anything up for that?

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The tone of your post to which he was replying sure seemed critical of the players’ unwillingness to try to seek changes.

QuantumMechanic said:

The tone of your post to which he was replying sure seemed critical of the players’ unwillingness to try to seek changes.

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I am critical of the union’s lack of unity. Baseball, by contrast, has a very strong union. Football, not so much. Perhaps it is because they have shorter seasons and shorter careers in average.

Very shrewd work by ownership to increase salaries and benefits for about 60% of the players in the league to try to drive this through as well as create division in the ranks of the players.

Eric Reid hired his own lawyers to review the whole CBA. He's posted their summary.

QuantumMechanic said:

Eric Reid hired his own lawyers to review the whole CBA. He's posted their summary.

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Eric Ried's lawyer is Marc Geregos, the unindicted co-conspirator in the Avenati case. He is as much as a clown as Reid is. Read what he wrote, it is not a legal opinion, its jibberish. Not that I think the CBA is great for the players, but if you want a legal opinion get one from a reputal lawyer.

Players who want to vote on the proposed CBA will have two more days to do it.

The NFL Players Association has announced that its board of player representatives has voted to extend the deadline for voting on the proposed CBA by two days, from 11:59 p.m. ET on Thursday, March 12 to 11:59 p.m. ET on Saturday, March 14.

It’s unclear why the two-day change was made.

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NFLPA extends voting deadline by two days - ProFootballTalk

FreeTedWilliams said:

Eric Ried's lawyer is Marc Geregos, the unindicted co-conspirator in the Avenati case. He is as much as a clown as Reid is. Read what he wrote, it is not a legal opinion, its jibberish. Not that I think the CBA is great for the players, but if you want a legal opinion get one from a reputal lawyer.

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