To Everyone Blaming Brady

luuked · Dec 2, 2019

Angelpats said:
People really need to watch the game film. There is no one open anywhere. Listen to the commentators and they will also tell you that no one is open. The few times that he tries to fit it in for a contested catch, it resulted in an int. We need more crossing routes to free up our wrs because they can’t do it my themselves. The times out wrs got open, Brady found them.

Except that is not true as Chatham has shown on multiple plays with players (LaCosse and Meyers) wide open but other circumstances prevented completions. It was a highly reductive and misleading narrative from the NBC broadcast and people who don't recheck the game are just eating it up.

If you can't see the open players on those clips -- and Chatham said he found another 7 of those in the first half alone -- then I really can't help you.

And before you try to make this a black and white situation. No, this doesn't mean that WRs are open all the time but simply that there are multiple issues on the offense and not one prevalent one.

Ladypatsfan · Dec 2, 2019

It's easier to blame Brady than to look for fault elsewhere. It's all his fault.
Let Stidham play. He can't do much worse. I blame BB and Mcdaniels. But that's me. On any other team McDaniels would be under a microscope. On this team the QB is the only one under a microscope. It is what it is. We are spoiled fans who believed that this team would be unbeatable forever.

BradytoMosstoGronk · Dec 2, 2019

Brady's made bad decisions, no doubt. There's a lot of miscommunication, and poor execution. Wide Receivers not named edelman also dont appear to be able to get seperation more than half a foot from a DB. The receiving corps has 2 rookies (1 who's played TWO GAMES) and 1 guy we've had for 3 weeks that got hurt in his 2nd game (and is still recovering). 3 of your receivers had virtually no experience in this offense or the NFL... hard to blame brady for the inexperience we have running routes and catching passes. You're left with Dorsett and Edelman who have caught passes with Brady outside this year.

To reiterate, mental mistakes and some poors throws definitely on him, but he's not working with much right now. I want to be upset with him, but the facts are the facts on his arsenal, and it's discouraging.

venecol · Dec 2, 2019

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
I vividly remember Manning’s 2015 season, and this ain’t it.

But I’m concerned. He doesn’t have a lot to work with, but there’s a big difference between what I’ve seen him do in the past with a bad supporting cast and what I’m seeing now.

Et tu IceIce?

SuperStang83 · Dec 2, 2019

JackBauer said:
For all the discussion on how bad the WR situation is, and it is bad, they have 3 TEs on the roster whose combined talent (at least in the receiving game) is roughly half of a garden variety TE2. Outside of about one reception per game by Watson, the position is a complete black hole.

Apparently you missed Lacosse's huge first down.

Kdo5 · Dec 2, 2019

Blizzard said:
That's definitely arguable. At least Thompkins and Dobson contributed quite well. Dobson destroyed the Steelers and Thompkins played great against the falcons and had the game winner against the saints. Meyers hasn't done anything and Harry is LITERALLY non existent

Harry is worse than non existent. Brady’s first INT was on him getting punked by the DB.

archstanton543 · Dec 2, 2019

BradytoMosstoGronk said:
Brady's made bad decisions, no doubt. There's a lot of miscommunication, and poor execution. Wide Receivers not named edelman also dont appear to be able to get seperation more than half a foot from a DB. The receiving corps has 2 rookies (1 who's played TWO GAMES) and 1 guy we've had for 3 weeks that got hurt in his 2nd game (and is still recovering). 3 of your receivers had virtually no experience in this offense or the NFL... hard to blame brady for the inexperience we have running routes and catching passes. You're left with Dorsett and Edelman who have caught passes with Brady outside this year.

To reiterate, mental mistakes and some poors throws definitely on him, but he's not working with much right now. I want to be upset with him, but the facts are the facts on his arsenal, and it's discouraging.

Yeah but the things they're missing is fundamental stuff like missing Brady's blatant "go deep" motion or his pistol motion to his WR. These are things that you just need to be aware of at any level of football.

Ladypatsfan · Dec 2, 2019

SuperStang83 said:
Apparently you missed Lacosse's huge first down.

I missed it too.

Kdo5 · Dec 2, 2019

archstanton543 said:
Yeah but the things they're missing is fundamental stuff like missing Brady's blatant "go deep" motion or his pistol motion to his WR. These are things that you just need to be aware of at any level of football.

Brady has lost confidence in them and the receivers know it and are losing confidence in themselves. It’s an ugly situation.

aluminum seats · Dec 2, 2019

CISGS said:
Just stop.

There is no talent at WR outside of Jules and the line is garbage. I’m over these “he’s shot” and “we should’ve kept Jimmy” posts.

You are insane if you think the GOAT is going down without a fight.

There's blame to go around everywhere, including Brady. Not sure why you'd want to exclude him, unless positive ratings on a post drive you. This kind of thread/post is like a lame band saying to a crowd to just stop "if you think BOSTON doesn't know how to ROCK!"

upstater · Dec 2, 2019

luuked said:
Except that is not true as Chatham has shown on multiple plays with players (LaCosse and Meyers) wide open but other circumstances prevented completions. It was a highly reductive and misleading narrative from the NBC broadcast and people who don't recheck the game are just eating it up.

If you can't see the open players on those clips -- and Chatham said he found another 7 of those in the first half alone -- then I really can't help you.

And before you try to make this a black and white situation. No, this doesn't mean that WRs are open all the time but simply that there are multiple issues on the offense and not one prevalent one.

But he’s saying protection broke down. Not that Brady missed them

luuked · Dec 2, 2019

upstater said:
But he’s saying protection broke down. Not that Brady missed them

And where exactly did I blame Brady for everything ?

Clearly Brady screwd up on the pass to Edelman with LaCosse wide open but there was nothing he could have done differently on the second play where Cannon just gave up the pressure way too fast.

Angelpats · Dec 2, 2019

luuked said:
Except that is not true as Chatham has shown on multiple plays with players (LaCosse and Meyers) wide open but other circumstances prevented completions. It was a highly reductive and misleading narrative from the NBC broadcast and people who don't recheck the game are just eating it up.

If you can't see the open players on those clips -- and Chatham said he found another 7 of those in the first half alone -- then I really can't help you.

And before you try to make this a black and white situation. No, this doesn't mean that WRs are open all the time but simply that there are multiple issues on the offense and not one prevalent one.

As you say there are Lots of reasons why the open receiver didn’t get the ball, but during the game we only have what we could see and what was given to us by the announcers proclaiming there was no separation. What would be interesting is when Brady had time to throw it and were there wrs open? It’s understandable when there is pressure a passing play is less successful.

luuked · Dec 2, 2019

Angelpats said:
As you say there are Lots of reasons why the open receiver didn’t get the ball, but during the game we only have what we could see and what was given to us by the announcers proclaiming there was no separation. What would be interesting is when Brady had time to throw it and were there wrs open? It’s understandable when there is pressure a passing play is less successful.

I am sure that there were enough plays where he had the time and no one came open. More so in the redzone where the space is compressed than anywhere else. The same way that we have seen now a couple of instances where people were open but either Brady forced a throw into a low percentage window or was under too much pressure to make it.

But this "nobody is open" narrative that is being pushed is just highly reductive and misleading.

DaBruinz · Dec 2, 2019

Angelpats said:
People really need to watch the game film. There is no one open anywhere. Listen to the commentators and they will also tell you that no one is open. The few times that he tries to fit it in for a contested catch, it resulted in an int. We need more crossing routes to free up our wrs because they can’t do it my themselves. The times out wrs got open, Brady found them.

There were plenty of open receivers. Brady was forcing the ball.

Saying we should listen to Chris Collinsworth when there were others posting pics of wide open receivers that Brady was ignoring doesn't help you.

TheAdultintheRoom · Dec 2, 2019

Just my opinion based on very little information, but I think the biggest fault Brady has in this is his attitude. I can understand it, and I would probably be even worse in his shoes, but the fact is that his demeanor is not helping the situation at all. Again, I have no idea what goes on between Brady and the team behind closed doors. But what you see in public isn't good.

rochrist · Dec 2, 2019

TommyBrady12 said:
This is exactly why the Gordon release was so puzzling to me. He knew the offense and was a capable receiver. Instead, you replace him with a good receiver in Sanu who does not know the offense well at this point and throw in a bunch of rookie WR in Harry and Meyers and this is what you get...

Gordon has had a grand total of 3 catches with Seattle.

SHOWTIME15 · Dec 2, 2019

rochrist said:
Gordon has had a grand total of 3 catches with Seattle.

And 20 receptions for 300 yards or so with NE...nothing great but certainly more productive than Harry

rochrist · Dec 2, 2019

Froob said:
Closing in on his first 1000 yard season, believe it or not.

That's not correct. It will be his third 1000 yard season. He did it in 2013 and 2016.

PatsFan2 · Dec 2, 2019

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
If Meyers has been drafted in the first round and Harry an UDFA, people would certainly understand it because Meyers appears to have more natural talent. That’s what confuses me. Actual, on-field speed, strength, catch radius, yards after catch, all seem to favor Meyers. That’s before we even get into route running. I’m pretty down on Harry, and not just because he clearly doesn’t know where to run. He just seems to play smaller than he is and lacks explosion. I don’t know if it’s confidence, but his speed and athleticism do not look anything close to first round caliber.

I realize it is very early in Harry’s career, but I feel like I’ve seen this movie many times before.

You are not the only one....knowing the position was a Need it made sense for them to double dip early on as noted the CB in the Second was a bad selection when you think who we could have added now. That said I like Meyers upside he's really coming on and might be a gem when its all said and done. On Harry I hope it's not deja vu all over again.

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