From Patriot to patriot

shmessy said:

I don't get the argument that because he is a great young man, we have to hold our criticism of him as an NFL player????

He was a terrible draft pick. Nothing changes that.

Great person and we all owe a debt of gratitude to the young man for his service to our country. What he's doing now is far more consequential than being a football player.

It's weird to state that criticism of BB for drafting him and keeping him for 4 years was anything but a complete waste of the team's and, as it turns out, HIS time.

Don't be afraid of the truth.

Moe Berg sucked at hitting also.
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Just reiterating what was said on this board during his tenure here..

There had to be more to the picture than most of us were seeing at the time, BB hung on to him longer than his playing time indicated..

DarrylS said:

Just reiterating what was said on this board during his tenure here..

There had to be more to the picture than most of us were seeing at the time, BB hung on to him longer than his playing time indicated..

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Then keeping Jake Bequette that long from doing his highest utility was a clear mistake by BB.

He's obviously a great young man who is doing far better things outside of football. You're not going convince me that keeping Jake Bequette on the New England Patriots 53 man roster for 4 years was a good move by Bill Belichick because the guy was going to become an accomplished and decorated US military officer once he left. That makes no sense whatsoever.

This is to the benefit of the New England Patriots (not taking up a roster spot) and the USA (obviously a fine young man who is well serving his country).

How did 'hanging on to him longer than his playing time indicated' benefit anyone (including Jake Bequette)??????

There is no contradiction in stating that Jake Bequette was a lousy 3rd round NFL pick and a great young American serviceman at the very same time.

Bequette was a wasted NFL 3rd round pick. At the same time, he's a great asset to our country and and society and deserves our gratitude in the position he is in now. The truth is the truth. What's so hard?

Moe Berg was also a true American hero. He still couldn't hit major league pitching. That didn't lessen him as a hero.

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patfanken said:

I was kind of blow away by the fact he lost 45 lbs during Ranger school. Another thing that struck me in the article was the fact that it took over a YEAR for him to be healthy enough to even join the Army after he left football. And that's a guy who rarely saw the field.

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Knew a guy who was a LB in college (ROTC) and he was about 230 when he went to boot camp, was fed about 6-7000 calories a day and came out at 190. Couldn't play college ball next season because he just didn't have enough bulk.

And you should see the agreement you have to sign in order to go for Ranger Training camp. You really have to want to be a Ranger (unless they woosified that one too).

Funny you should say genius

shmessy said:

I don't get the argument that because he is a great young man, we have to hold our criticism of him as an NFL player????

He was a terrible draft pick. Nothing changes that.

Great person and we all owe a debt of gratitude to the young man for his service to our country. What he's doing now is far more consequential than being a football player.

It's weird to state that criticism of BB for drafting him and keeping him for 4 years was anything but a complete waste of the team's and, as it turns out, HIS time.

Don't be afraid of the truth.

Moe Berg sucked at hitting also.
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Wow! And I thought I was a negative prick

Soliel said:

Wow! And I thought I was a negative prick

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Oh no, you were correct the first time.

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Patriot Missile said:

The physical demands are just brutal. To add to the above about muscular washouts etc.

At peak physical shape their demands are ludicrous for pushups, pull ups and sit ups. Its something crazy like 80 a minute which seems impossible, but a tad easier doing it as a 150-200 range. Less weight to push, pull etc.

Swimming and treading water is the other where yep, you weigh more you sink faster.

You’ve got to be pretty f’n smart as well. These guys are dealing with kilometers and meters as if their lives depended on it. And they are, longitude and latitude are everything When calling in air strikes, drop off and pickup points. Seals, Para rescue and Rangers are pretty ok in my book. Anyone that has served or is serving in any form is too.

Thanks for sharing Ken, very proud of Bequette, he was a beast in college and glad to see he got a good education too. Not the best nfl player but who cares? In a free lancing system he might of been darn good.

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The swimming thing is actually wrong, weight doesn't effect your buoyancy but your body fat percentage does. Fat people float really well while skinny people don't since muscle is denser than fat. I can't even hold my head above water with out paddling with my arms because my body fat is so low. I think this may have been what you meant but just didn't word it clearly.

I float just fine when I'm at the beach...it's dodging all those damn harpoons that gets to me...

shmessy said:

How did 'hanging on to him longer than his playing time indicated' benefit anyone (including Jake Bequette)??????

There is no contradiction in stating that Jake Bequette was a lousy 3rd round NFL pick and a great young American serviceman at the very same time.

Bequette was a wasted NFL 3rd round pick. At the same time, he's a great asset to our country and and society and deserves our gratitude in the position he is in now. The truth is the truth. What's so hard?
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Hanging onto him longer than his playing time indicated seems to be a reflection of his character and work ethic rather than the talent we and the Pats saw, maybe it was as simple as BB believed he would develop and over time but he did not.. BB has a history of cutting his losses early rather than hanging on to guys he does think will benefit the team.

None of this is a big deal in the bigger scheme of NFL & Pats things.. the draft is a gamble at best. If it makes anyone feel better it was a "wasted" draft pick, but it does not matter.

I could google Moe Berg, but choose not to as it does not make any difference just more useless info I will probably forget by noon.

DarrylS said:

Hanging onto him longer than his playing time indicated seems to be a reflection of his character and work ethic rather than the talent we and the Pats saw, maybe it was as simple as BB believed he would develop and over time but he did not.. BB has a history of cutting his losses early rather than hanging on to guys he does think will benefit the team.

None of this is a big deal in the bigger scheme of NFL & Pats things.. the draft is a gamble at best. If it makes anyone feel better it was a "wasted" draft pick, but it does not matter.

I could google Moe Berg, but choose not to as it does not make any difference just more useless info I will probably forget by noon.

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Moe Berg would be a very interesting person to learn about for anyone participating in this thread discussion because it is directly relevant. There are 2 major studio movies out about him. He was a catcher for the RedSox in the 1930s and 1940s. Benchwarmer good defense lousy hitter. In the late 1930s mlb sent an all star team with Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, etc to Japan for a goodwill tour. People were shocked and joked a lot when it came out that Berg was on that squad too. Only in there 1970s was it unclassified what he did. During that all star tour and later in Germany.

An amazing story.

It was joked in the Red Sox clubhouse that Moe Berg knew 12 foreign languages........and couldn’t hit worth a damn in any of ‘em.....

A true American hero. But he sucked as a player. A very good analogy that it is not disrespectful to the overall worth of a person to tell the truth about one (relatively insignificant) sports job they once had.

Bequette deserved no more than 2 seasons for BB to know he couldn't cut it in the NFL. The other 2 seasons wasted a roster spot. The Pats cannot afford to give roster spots to great guys who cannot play. Great guy, but the truth is the truth.

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Much respect to Jake Bequette.

And yes I still think he had compromising photos of BB.

PP2 said:

That's not true. Plenty of "buff" guys have made it through. They don't give a **** what your physique is, or about any of the other stuff, height, color, whatever- the only thing that counts is that you cross the finish line.

That's all.

Good for Jake Bequette. Looks like he found his true calling.

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The Rangers (one being a woman) running the air assault school at Ft Hood back in the 90's were definitely "buff". One guy was huge and reportedly benched over 400. Not sure what he looked like immediately after Ranger school though.

Funny story: When getting our wings the big guy offers to give us blood wings which means pinning them through the uniform and into the skin without the dammits. I teasingly asked the big guy if he was capable of pinning them through my steel chest. Haha. I spent the next five minutes digging them out . Ouch.

Tony2046 said:

The Rangers (one being a woman) running the air assault school at Ft Hood back in the 90's were definitely "buff".

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I think you're mis-remembering something because the first 2 women graduated from Ranger School in 2015.

First Female Soldiers Graduate From Army Ranger School

sean10mm said:

I think you're mis-remembering something because the first 2 women graduated from Ranger School in 2015.

First Female Soldiers Graduate From Army Ranger School

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Wow. I must be. Maybe she was just airborne. Well there was a female instructor and she was bad ass. Thanks for the correction but maybe a little late because I've probably mentioned her to a bunch of people over the years. Haha

Tony2046 said:

Wow. I must be. Maybe she was just airborne. Well there was a female instructor and she was bad ass. Thanks for the correction but maybe a little late because I've probably mentioned her to a bunch of people over the years. Haha

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Don't sweat it, my memories from my time in the Army are extremely uh vague lol