Alex Smith will be TRADED to Redskins

Sicilian said:

This might be a case where their incompetence just saved them from their own incompetence.

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alex smith got damn lucky

TommyBrady12 said:

alex smith got damn lucky

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He may have had a hand in his own luck too, as I'm guessing he doesn't sign a four year extension with Cleveland.

robertweathers said:

I'm tired and buzzed. I finally finished the last of the V8 and my last Bloody Mary for a long, long, long time.

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Sure, if by "for a long, long, long time" you mean "until Monday".

Otherwise, you're a phucking liar and you know it, baby!!

Snooky97 said:

That’s why I said about them going to try and mange the cap. As Ramsey and co aren’t going to come cheap. I think Dante Flower could be a potential cut.

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The Jags have $16.5M in cap space for 2018 and less than $41M for 2019 already, even without signing Cousins or any of their current valuable UFAs.

They save about $7M net by shedding Fowler, but they're probably better off trading him. That still only gets them up to about $23M, which is what Cousins would cost them per year for likely the next five years.

Aside from Bortles himself ($19M, no dead money if cut or traded), and maybe Hurns (~$7M, another possible trade), all the rest of their "big-ticket" guys are ones they're going to want to keep. Shedding Hurns and Bortles gives them $26M in2018 cap space after signing Cousins - still not a lot to work with.

Then, on the other side of the ledger, they'll probably want/need to re-sign UFAs Robinson, Posluzny (or a replacement), Marqise Lee, Aaron Colvin, Corey Grant and Patrick Omaneh (starting LG). Their UFA list for 2019 is even worse.

I'd honestly question whether Cousins would be a sufficiently significant improvement over Bortles to endure an even worse cap hell than they already seem to be destined to experience.

Angelpats said:

Or Dorset or Brit can be let go. Sanders is a great receiver. Brady can’t throw to every one but it helps when you have another receiver who can run good routes and can get open consistently with good hands.

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Well, Sanders was a very good receiver, at least. He turns 31 in the middle of March and had a bum ankle for most of this past season. Even so, some team may well offer him more than the Pats would be willing to pay (or can afford) for yet another "elderly" WR.

Hogan is about to turn 30, Edelman turns 32 (and is coming off an ACL) and Amendola turns 33 (and is UFA).

Meanwhile, Dorsett just turned 25 a couple weeks ago and is under contract in 2018 for about $1.5M. Britt, turning 30 next September) is also under contract for 2018 at about $1.5M. Both already have experience in the system. Sanders has no experience in the Pats's system and would likely cost at least a couple million more than Dorsett and Britt combined.

patchick said:

Buddy, you really need some new material for your constant attacks on the younger generation. Maybe one of these?

"The age in which we live, this non- stop distraction, is making it more impossible for the young generation to ever have the curiosity or discipline ... Because you need to be alone to find out anything." -- Vivienne Westwood, 1998

"Our fathers' age was worse than our grandfathers. We, their offspring, are more worthless than they -- and in turn are giving the world a generation even more corrupt than ourselves." -- Horace, 20 B.C.

"We were just as ignorant and repulsive as they are, but nobody listened to us.” -- Al Capp, 1960

Or maybe you should just remember the sage words of Adlai Stevenson, 1952:

"Nothing so dates a man as to decry the younger generation."

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...And that is why we all love you, Sistah Patriciah

...Even I, though you show the occasional poor taste to disagree with moi.

Seriously, though: Brother Horace actually said that?

I think he owes me twenty bucks.

Good suggestions in this thread. I think the Jaguars would be far more dangerous with Cousins than Bortles. Bortles improved this year but it's a contract year and no way would I hand him a near $100 million multi year contract.

Cousins has been very well remunerated these past two years on the franchise tag. If his agent is pushing for him to sign the biggest contract then he'll likely go to the Jets.

But the one team I would argue that should do what they can to sign Cousins would be Minnesota. Their QB situation is far from settled. Sam Bradford will walk as a free agent, you can't rely on Teddy B in the near term with his devastating injury (although the franchise love him as a person) and despite the Minnesota miracle Case Keenum is a back up who had a good but not great year. Out of those options I'd choose Cousins over those three QBs who were on the Vikings roster this season.

patchick said:

Buddy, you really need some new material for your constant attacks on the younger generation. Maybe one of these?

"Our fathers' age was worse than our grandfathers. We, their offspring, are more worthless than they -- and in turn are giving the world a generation even more corrupt than ourselves." -- Horace, 20 B.C.”

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In truth, Horace lived through the fall of the Roman republic, the asassination of Julius Ceasar, and died shortly before the birth of the Emperor Caligula, so you are actually making his point for him.

Cutting and pasting other people’s ill-informed web ramblings doesn’t make you smart or knowledgeable.

luuked said:

Britt, Edelman and Dola (each for different reasons) are anything but roster locks at this point. Dorsett on his affordable contract will remain Cooks insurance. Theoretically there is space for Sanders but the offense is so full of talented players (add in RBs and TEs) that it would definitely not be the best use of resources given some of the holes on defense.

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The Pats may also soon have a gaping hole at "receiving TE" behind Gronk - with Allen at $5M and Bennett at $6.2M (and turning 31) for 2018. At the start of the new league year, Bennett is due $2M guaranteed for 2018, so something will need to happen quickly there.

Also, Lewis and Burkhead aren't locks to re-sign with the Pats.

Still probably not sufficient reason to devote $5M in cap space (or thereabouts) on yet another "elderly" WR.

Wow.

The general perception of Kirk Cousins, hereabouts, is far higher than my own.

For me, he's in the Andy Dalton Food Group.

Kirk Cousins may indeed be The Most Average QuarterBack in the League.

Yet a lot'f you're acting like he's some Terror who's gonna inflict irreparable damage on our prospects if he lands on a competitive AFC team.

I pray to God that the Jets sign'm.

Kirk Cousins = Overrated sorry for the Team that overpays for the guy. Very smart move by the Redskins.

maineman209 said:

The Pats may also soon have a gaping hole at "receiving TE" behind Gronk - with Allen at $5M and Bennett at $6.2M (and turning 31) for 2018. At the start of the new league year, Bennett is due $2M guaranteed for 2018, so something will need to happen quickly there.

Also, Lewis and Burkhead aren't locks to re-sign with the Pats.

Still probably not sufficient reason to devote $5M in cap space (or thereabouts) on yet another "elderly" WR.

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They could free up and have around 40 million in cap space. Maybe Hollister can be our second tight end next year. It's important to resign some of these players. I would hate to see solder go but are they willing to give him 10 million dollars?

Off The Grid said:

Wow.

The general perception of Kirk Cousins, hereabouts, is far higher than my own.

For me, he's in the Andy Dalton Food Group.

Kirk Cousins may indeed be The Most Average QuarterBack in the League.

Yet a lot'f you're acting like he's some Terror who's gonna inflict irreparable damage on our prospects if he lands on a competitive AFC team.

I pray to God that the Jets sign'm.

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I don't know why people are bringing up the jags. They likely will stick with bortles because of the injury policy.

maineman209 said:

The Pats may also soon have a gaping hole at "receiving TE" behind Gronk - with Allen at $5M and Bennett at $6.2M (and turning 31) for 2018. At the start of the new league year, Bennett is due $2M guaranteed for 2018, so something will need to happen quickly there.

Also, Lewis and Burkhead aren't locks to re-sign with the Pats.

Still probably not sufficient reason to devote $5M in cap space (or thereabouts) on yet another "elderly" WR.

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Predictions:

I think they will re do both deals (they don't have any gtd money). With that money they wil resign Dola and they will have a loaded position without creating another draft need.
I think they will let Butler walk (don't make sense to pay 2 CB's).
They will resign Solder and Waddle. (Cut Harris).
I think they will resign one of the 2 RB's. I hope it's Lewis. OR They will cut Gillislee and try to lock both and draft a power back.
Bademosi, Slater, Ebner, Rick Jean - Francois (If they cut Branch i guess this is a lock even if Valentine is healthy), King, Flowers, Bolden all of them will be back.

MUFC7 said:

PS: We all know it but trading away Jimmy G for just a 2nd rounder was even a bigger joke.

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So watching him walk in FA and getting an end of the 3rd round comp in 2019 would have been a more preferable outcome than a top 10 2nd round 2018 pick?

maineman209 said:

The Pats may also soon have a gaping hole at "receiving TE" behind Gronk - with Allen at $5M and Bennett at $6.2M (and turning 31) for 2018. At the start of the new league year, Bennett is due $2M guaranteed for 2018, so something will need to happen quickly there.

Also, Lewis and Burkhead aren't locks to re-sign with the Pats.

Still probably not sufficient reason to devote $5M in cap space (or thereabouts) on yet another "elderly" WR.

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I thought since Bennet was released Green Bay is on the hook for the quarantees?

Can anyone explain how these teams were not in on the JimmyG Sweepstakes, but instead magically seek out other QBs who cost as much or more, who are clearly not bringing a better future than JimmyG?

1. Giants (Keeping Eli, who is clearly done)
2. Skins (Just traded a pick and lost a good player, while paying a bloated QB price)
3. Cardinals (Old Man Carson Palmer, but wanted to bid on Smith as well)
4. Bears (traded up for Trubisky)

5. Darkhorse - NOs. They could have worked out a sign and trade with Denver for example, and then acquied Jimmy G.

When people say BB didn't get enough, keep in mind how many moron franchises are out there.

SF was competing with no one for JimmyG, which is beyind mindboggling. How doe these GMs keep their jobs?

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

Then you could simply post it with a few seconds of effort, too.

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maineman209 said:

Embedding a link to the news item you're reporting is a matter of common courtesy to your audience.

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It wasn't my thread or report to begin with. I was just saying that in the time it took to request a source, one could open the twitter app and immediately see the primary source. Arguing for the sake of arguing here, but.. yeah.

PatriotsNumero1Fan said:

They could free up and have around 40 million in cap space. Maybe Hollister can be our second tight end next year. It's important to resign some of these players. I would hate to see solder go but are they willing to give him 10 million dollars?

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Miguel's best estimate is that the Pats will start out at around $13.8M (after accounting for all bonus escalations and likely RFA/ERFA tenders).

Cutting Branch, McClellin and Harris nets about $6.7M in saving without doing an damage to the roster.
.... So that puts them at $20.5M free space.

Barring significant re-structures in February, cutting Allen (not a great idea, IMHO) and Bennett (almost certainly necessary) would net another $10.4M - but creates a major roster hole at TE that it doesn't seem like Hollister is anywhere near ready to fill, either blocking or receiving (though, of course, I have no idea how the coaches have evaluated him) .
.... and that only gets them up to about $31M in free space,

Extending/re-structuring Brady through one more season (2020) saves maybe $11M off the 2018 cap, although I may have calculated that savings too high when re-distributing the salary-to-bonus conversion. Regardless, such a move would also increase his future cap hits (currently at $22M per).

But that's pretty much the only way the Pats get to $40M for 2018.

McCourty could be extended/re-structured through an extra season and save maybe $5M in 2018, but the rest of the even semi-reasonable roster moves would net only a fraction of a million each.

I'm guessing that the biggest thing in Solder's life right now is the health of his son. He's apparently been receiving excellent care in Boston, so it seems doubtful to me that Solder would chase $$ in another city. IF he plays after this season, I'd expect it would be with the Pats, possibly on a 1-2 year deal maxxing out at $11.5M per year (or a bit less), which would make him the 11th highest paid LT in the league for 2018 and 2019.

I also suspect that any or all of several of the Pats other key UFAs ... Lewis, Burkhead, Waddle, Fleming, Butler, Bademosi, Marquis Flowers, etc. ... could be poached by either McD or Patricia - thus creating more or less significant roster holes at RB, backup OT, etc. The only "good" news there is that the Pats may gain 3-4 2019 comp picks out of those deals.

Also, the impact of this off-season's roster moves on the 2019 cap needs to be considered. The current estimate is $56M, but there will be many more potentially key UFAs to be re-signed (or not) ... Cooks, Gost, Ryan Allen, Cardona, Hogan, Chung, Dorsett, Trey Flowers, Shaq Mason, Rowe, Malcolm Brown. And there's not a lot of 2018 cap space to use on extending these guys before they hit the open market in 2019.

Angelpats said:

I thought since Bennet was released Green Bay is on the hook for the quarantees?

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the pats claimed him on waivers, so the patriots took the contract from greenbay.