I Don't Think I Can Do This Again

what am I missing here. I must be either missing something, or don't know the rule.

Everyone is talking about Benjamin not having control of the ball. And I'm here, looking at the reply and thinking to myself, who gives a **** if he had control? HIS LEFT FOOT NEVER TOUCHED THE GROUND INBOUND! Don't you need 2 feet inbound to rule it a catch (assume he had control)? I mean, I'm not even looking at the ball or his arms to care if he had control. I'm just looking down at his feet, and altough it is close, from certain angles at field level, you can CLEARLY see his left foot 'hovering' about 1/4" off the ground! His left foot didn't make contact with the ground until he was already out of bounds!

I’m bored with talking heads of all stripes, in all walks of life, including sports. It’s a 37-20 game if the Bills get the TD. The Bills got absolutely mauled after their first drive in the second half. In the scheme of things the call didn’t matter much.

The real conspiracy is that in every instance the refs knee jerk reaction was to rule in favor of the opposing teams. The endless camera angles work against their agenda. Also, I don’t have the stats but I bet Belichick has the best record for successful coaches challenges.

bormio said:

Plus there is Kay.

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Yes indeed. Very easy on the eyes.

dannydyn said:

what am I missing here. I must be either missing something, or don't know the rule.

Everyone is talking about Benjamin not having control of the ball. And I'm here, looking at the reply and thinking to myself, who gives a **** if he had control? HIS LEFT FOOT NEVER TOUCHED THE GROUND INBOUND! Don't you need 2 feet inbound to rule it a catch (assume he had control)? I mean, I'm not even looking at the ball or his arms to care if he had control. I'm just looking down at his feet, and altough it is close, from certain angles at field level, you can CLEARLY see his left foot 'hovering' about 1/4" off the ground! His left foot didn't make contact with the ground until he was already out of bounds!

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His left foot did make contact with the ground very briefly, for a split second.. you can see the black rubber pellets coming up from the turf where his left toe was dragging

I think the refs just determined that it came off the ground prior to him gaining possession... I thought it was a very close call and thought they would stick with the call on the field of a TD... I was pleasantly surprised when they overturned the call

JarOfMayo51 said:

His left foot did make contact with the ground very briefly, for a split second.. you can see the black rubber pellets coming up from the turf where his left toe was dragging

I think the refs just determined that it came off the ground prior to him gaining possession... I thought it was a very close call and thought they would stick with the call on the field of a TD... I was pleasantly surprised when they overturned the call

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The problem with sticking with the call on the field just because it was the call on the field is that refs have CLEARLY been instructed that since TDs and turnovers are all reviewed if the re is doubt call it a TD or the turnover so that replay kicks in.

bormio said:

Plus there is Kay.

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Yes sir

The ****ty thing about these calls...the one from the ASJ fumble, the James incompletion, the KB incompletion...is that I am actually putting bias aside and I honestly believe they are all the right calls. The James one is obvious, but the ASJ and the Benjamin plays are calls that I think were ruled correctly. I honestly do try and put bias aside and l0ok at these things objectively and think the right calls were made.

The Jets player fumbled prior to entering the endzone and when he did "regain possession" of it, he landed out of bounds. It's a tough ruling but it is technically correct, the best kind of correct.

The Benjamin play is even more obviously correct. You can clearly see dirt kicking up from the left foot before he has possession. So we know how it's supposed to look when the toe is dragging along the ground. That dirt stops kicking up once he actually gains possession of the ball. You don't need a camera flat on the ground to be able to tell his foot isn't touching it. 100% the right call.

Nobody cried for us when Justin Tucker made that field goal over the uprights in 2012. Nobody cried for us when Kuechly tackled Gronk in the endzone where a flag was thrown and then picked up. Nobody cried when the Ravens were drawing up plays specifically designed to pick up PI flags on us. Nobody cried for us when Dominique Easley was put on Sports Illustrated behind Brock Osweiler with an offensive lineman's ****ing arm around his neck (there was no penalty there).

I don't wanna hear it. I'll take these calls every time and enjoy the win even more with em

hey...whadda YOU doing here...it's Christmas...you're SUPPOSED to be cooked. Defiant indeed!

upstater1 said:

1:05 the foot is out of camera.

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I meant to watch from there lol. Unless those are out of sync, it looks there like a catch

But I've seen other videos where it doesn't look like that. Who knows



To the original topic of the thread- it doesn't bother me as much when it's the usual mediots doing their thing. It's when it's fairly intelligent football fans that I regularly talk to claim that the pats have benefited a ton this year from controversial calls. It's whatever I guess. Not a huge deal

Joker said:

hey...whadda YOU doing here...it's Christmas...you're SUPPOSED to be cooked. Defiant indeed!

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I cooked a mean chicken today. It was so nice and juicy. Honestly I would pick chicken over goose every single time. Geese taste bad. Trust me. You DON'T wanna eat us. I mean them...

gitgronked82 said:

I forgot how much this drove me crazy during deflategate... This is the most salty/irrational I've seen NFL fans towards the Pats in a couple years.
Unfounded takes, group-thought, media enhancing it, no one engaging in an actual discussion, no one applying the same standards to any other team.

This MUST get under your guys' skin too... I don't have the strength to laugh it off and say "haters gonna hate"

I really don't get it, either. Today was the first call I think they messed up. It was very close, but I could see how people would be upset. The ASJ play, the James play... not even close. They ruled correctly. Let's not forget none of this would have been a controversy if the refs ruled in our favor on the original plays...

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It’s all entertainment

A Defiant Goose said:

I cooked a mean chicken today.

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Was it biting and attacking people before you cooked it?

Bruins29 said:

Was it biting and attacking people before you cooked it?

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Bert Breer wants beyond a reasonable doubt for overturning a call on the field. Yet, he seemed fine suspending a player four games based on more probable from a biased one-sided investigation.

Bruins29 said:

Was it biting and attacking people before you cooked it?

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No, but it was banned from the GDT for what it had posted!

1960Pats said:

I think your timeline is a little off and it shows how effective the mediots' and Goodell's lies have been. I don't believe that anyone had issues with the Pats winning SB's in 2001, 03 and 04 until years later, when Goody and the 32 started the cheater talk in 2007 with Crygate. The 2001-04 wins were tainted retroactively, especially when John Tomasole came up with the fake Matt Walsh story in 2007. Help me if I'm wrong.

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Maybe it's just my experience online, but people have been livid about the Pats since the tuck rule against Oakland. "It was a fumble, the Raiders got screwed" was all I kept hearing. People were mad that the Pats "didn't belong" in the AFCCG, that they knocked out the Steelers and prevented a Steelers/Rams Super Bowl matchup, and said the Pats would get trounced by the Greatest Show on Turf. When the Pats won THAT game, they complained that there should have been time left on the clock after Vinatieri's game-ending field goal. And then it was that they were flukes and it was some big conspiracy about making a team named Patriots win after 9/11 and all that BS. In 2003 it was the whining about the Pats holding/abusing the Colts receivers. It's been going on long before any "gate".

Obviously the Pats hate is the strongest it's ever been after such a long run of success, at the expense of everyone else's teams. But I've noticed the hate going all the way back to Brady's first season. There were people discrediting Brady's success back then and they make incredible stretches even now, made even more foolish by his many accomplishments since that time. The reality is many of these haters know deep down how great the Pats are, how great Brady is, but don't want to openly admit it out of spite, out of not wanting to give Pats fans that satisfaction. It's petty, and not worth fretting over. Let the others be idiots, they would kill to be in our position.

I'm just enjoying this while it lasts. 11 wins in a regular season used to be a big cause for celebration with this franchise, as it was the best we could do through the first 43 seasons in existence. But we're now in the 8th consecutive season with 12 or more wins, which is an NFL record. 12 wins per season has been the *average* since 2001. We'll never see a run like this again in our lifetimes, in any sport. There are many people who can't appreciate that, who don't want to see Boston sports fans continue to be "smug", but that's their problem, not ours.

From Camera Placement Gate to Colder Air Reduces Air Pressure Gate (with I didn't See the Video of The Video I Saw Of Rice Gate or There Wasn't an Actual Bounty-Bounty Gate), exactly what is needed to make one conclude that sports media is not a product to be taken seriously, that it is a profession for personalities to speak whatever feels good or controversial out loud, that it is just tabloid hysterics fodder?
Would you shake your head at someone who gets all worked up when all the TV shows say Kim Kardashian was pregnant when that person knows for sure she simply had stopped her no carbohydrates diet and went on a pasta eating binge? If you think that is funny for someone to be caught up in that silly tabloid fodder then look in the mirror. You are doing the same thing minus the plastic surgery and the inch layer of makeup.

dannydyn said:

what am I missing here. I must be either missing something, or don't know the rule.

Everyone is talking about Benjamin not having control of the ball. And I'm here, looking at the reply and thinking to myself, who gives a **** if he had control? HIS LEFT FOOT NEVER TOUCHED THE GROUND INBOUND! Don't you need 2 feet inbound to rule it a catch (assume he had control)? I mean, I'm not even looking at the ball or his arms to care if he had control. I'm just looking down at his feet, and altough it is close, from certain angles at field level, you can CLEARLY see his left foot 'hovering' about 1/4" off the ground! His left foot didn't make contact with the ground until he was already out of bounds!

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I have no idea what the big controversy is, either. I didn’t think it was a catch in real time and once they showed the split screen angles, it should’ve been the end of it. Period. Honestly, I’m baffled. Like I said in another post, at least I can appreciate the debate with the ASJ play in the Jets game.

The non-catch from Jesse James and this one with Benjamin seemed to be very clear cut to those who know the rules and have seen these examples before. Sitting with a bunch of Steelers fans at dinner last night, all they could point to was the fact that James “had already crossed the goal line.” It was like talking to a brick wall.

TheBostonStraggler said:

From Camera Placement Gate to Colder Air Reduces Air Pressure Gate (with I didn't See the Video of The Video I Saw Of Rice Gate or There Wasn't an Actual Bounty-Bounty Gate), exactly what is needed to make one conclude that sports media is not a product to be taken seriously, that it is a profession for personalities to speak whatever feels good or controversial out loud, that it is just tabloid hysterics fodder?
Would you shake your head at someone who gets all worked up when all the TV shows say Kim Kardashian was pregnant when that person knows for sure she simply had stopped her no carbohydrates diet and went on a pasta eating binge? If you think that is funny for someone to be caught up in that silly tabloid fodder then look in the mirror. You are doing the same thing minus the plastic surgery and the inch layer of makeup.

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Agreed. My only real concern is that we won’t get one of these borderline calls due to all of the uproar about the officiating favoring Belichick and the Patriots, and of course it will be the most crucial play of the year in the postseason.

Perhaps I’m just being paranoid, but it seems as though there’s waaaay too much controversy in the media surrounding these calls in the past couple of games.