Garoppolo Trade Talks to Heat Up This Week

Ivan said:

I wouldn't trade him without the first rounder and I wouldn't give the #32 in any trade. If no one wants to give the first then just keep him and take the compensatory after next season. It's not worth trading him for second round picks.

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I feel the same as well unless the browns offered both second rounds picks and a first rounder in 2018.

The Gr8est said:

To be fair, in 2003 vs Carolina, the Pats lost both starting safeties, Eugene Wilson and Rodney Harrison, so much of the 4th quarter had special teamer playing safety and that allowed Carolina some easy scores.

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Wilson was injured earlier but Harrison was injured in the middle of CAR's final drive of the game.

What's interesting about this is that JG, for whatever promise he *may* have, is still a backup QB. You could view it one way (from, say, the perspective of the team trading for him) and say that giving up a mid-first round pick for a potential franchise QB is a good deal for that team.

But if you view it another way (say, from the perspective of the Pats), you could say that the Pats are getting (in this hypothetical deal with Cle) a first round pick for a player they hope never plays for the Patriots.

Hard to say who gets the best of that deal. Would seem like a real win-win.

Ivan said:

I wouldn't trade him without the first rounder and I wouldn't give the #32 in any trade. If no one wants to give the first then just keep him and take the compensatory after next season. It's not worth trading him for second round picks.

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A second in 2017 is worth a lot more than a possible compensatory pick in that can be no higher than 97 in 2019.

And that's providing we even get a compensatory which is far from certain.

PatriotsPimp136 said:

I feel the same as well unless the browns offered both second rounds picks and a first rounder in 2018.

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Again. The difference between a high 2nd round pick and a 3rd round comp pick in TWO years is the time and over 70 slots.

Now I wouldn't trade him for just a 2nd rounder even if its a high one, but the Pats would have to think about it since the difference is that significant. It's not just the difference between a 2nd and third.

Ivan said:

You don't even know what the offer would be. If the Bears offer the # 3 overall you take it immediately.

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What #3 pick would bring more to this team than Jimmy G? More likely than not the player will be an overpriced bust. No Thanks

bruce_w said:

What #3 pick would bring more to this team than Jimmy G? More likely than not the player will be an overpriced bust. No Thanks

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You can't think like that. Brady's not retiring anytime soon. I would want another pick besides the 3rd as well. A guy like solomon thomas would be nice on the d line.

Wake me up when he is traded ... yawn.

AndyJohnson said:

A second in 2017 is worth a lot more than a possible compensatory pick in that can be no higher than 97 in 2019.

And that's providing we even get a compensatory which is far from certain.

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It could be higher than 97 if we get another 1st stolen from us for [TBD].

Ross12 said:

Seems like the Bears really want him, but I think Cleveland does too. All it takes is two teams to start a bidding war.

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Only takes one if it is the Jets. Ask Mevis.

I dunno why but I came into this thread expecting loads of tweeted offers from teams media telling us what they were bidding. The NFL has lost a trick for the off season by making it blind bidding, would be so much fun having bids out in the open. Imagine the 24/7 hysteria it would generate. Also wouldn't be a need to frame players to keep the interest going.

Big Bucks said:

I dunno why but I came into this thread expecting loads of tweeted offers from teams media telling us what they were bidding. The NFL has lost a trick for the off season by making it blind bidding, would be so much fun having bids out in the open. Imagine the 24/7 hysteria it would generate. Also wouldn't be a need to frame players to keep the interest going.

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No offense but that makes no ****ing sense.

ctpatsfan77 said:

Not to be facetious, but in 2007 the Pats had Asante Samuel on the franchise tag. They could have traded him for picks, but they decided that the value of Samuel on the team in 2007 + the comp pick outweighed whatever they could get for him via trade.

It's at least possible that they view keeping Garoppolo similarly.

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Please don't remind me of keeping Asante with the franchise tag. Maybe his replacement would have made the catch for the interception in the Super Bowl.

bruce_w said:

What #3 pick would bring more to this team than Jimmy G? More likely than not the player will be an overpriced bust. No Thanks

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Are you basing that on the fact that Garrapolo brings more to the Patriots than Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Vince Wilfork, Jerod Mayo, Devin McCourty, Donta Hightower, and their other first round choices who have been such huge busts?

If so, great analysis.

I don't know if anyone has posted this already, but I think we're going to be really surprised with what we get for Jimmy G. There are really no quarterback prospects out there. Cutler's got nothing left, McCarron is not an answer to anyone's problems, and everyone in the draft is a huge reach. These teams with the top 3 picks are going to be tripping over each other for him. I have a pretty strong feeling about this.

Also, the owners and Goodell fraudulently punished the Patriots, yet the Patriots won Defamegate. We won the f.ing Super Bowl and got to show off Jimmy G. Kraft has got to be the most smug guy in those owner's meetings!

AndyJohnson said:

Then you will give him up for nothing if you keep him. He is either gone this off season or next, and this offseason you get something. Next offseason you get nothing.

Brady has indicate no intention whatsoever to 'ride into the sunset' and actually has said the opposite.

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Or BB could trade him during the 2017 season, for less draft capital, like he did with Collins. Some team unfortunately will lose their QB at some point until week 8 could and would give up at least a 3rd in a new york minute.

8 games works for a team willing to Test drive JimmyG for less than a million, and it works for BB to make the right call with more data to base his decision.

Ivan said:

Are you basing that on the fact that Garrapolo brings more to the Patriots than Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Vince Wilfork, Jerod Mayo, Devin McCourty, Donta Hightower, and their other first round choices who have been such huge busts?

If so, great analysis.

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This is pretty much exactly what I was thinking as I read that odd post. Thank you for articulating it better than I could have.

ForThoseAboutToRock said:

Expectations are so high right now.


Now if the Patriots "only" get the 12th pick, people will still be outraged about how it wasn't enough. I can only imagine what the reaction may be if Belichick trades JG for something like a 2nd rounder in each of 2017 and 2018.

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If he did that, he'd be underselling and people would be justifiably POed.

Ivan said:

Are you basing that on the fact that Garrapolo brings more to the Patriots than Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Vince Wilfork, Jerod Mayo, Devin McCourty, Donta Hightower, and their other first round choices who have been such huge busts?

If so, great analysis.

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There's Maroney, Meriweather, Watson, Graham, Easley .... none of them worth JG

ctpatsfan77 said:

Not to be facetious, but in 2007 the Pats had Asante Samuel on the franchise tag. They could have traded him for picks, but they decided that the value of Samuel on the team in 2007 + the comp pick outweighed whatever they could get for him via trade.

It's at least possible that they view keeping Garoppolo similarly.

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Asante Samuel was a starting #1 CB, not the backup QB.