WA private HS school team has 3 forfeit wins this season

neuronet said:

You can frame it as a bunch of kids being ****ies, or as a private school recruiting from an N mile radius these 6'5" 300 pound monsters, versus these little schools with 14 year old 175 pound freshman who are going to have no chance and going to end up injured...

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I guess the HAWKS won the movie after all.

I wouldn't necessarily call the kids ****ies or whatever because I don't pass judgment on them or their parents I'm just saying personally I'm a "You'll have to kill me to get me to forfeit" kind of guy. And I would try to raise my child the same way. Because it is absolutely not about football and about the kind of mentality you bring in competition at any point in your life. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. They don't quit.

BradyFTW! said:

Turns out there's a fourth option. See: the entire premise of this thread, and the original linked article.

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It's pretty obvious that I was offering alternatives to said forfeits. That was, in fact, the entire premise of my responsive posts.

BradyFTW! said:

You can claim that the parents and coaches and players don't have a right to forfeit a game, but you're simply wrong. They have that right, as proven by the fact that several teams here have chosen to exercise it. You may not agree with it, and that's fine, but clearly they don't care.

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I didn't claim anything about a legal right.

Deus Irae said:

You just refuse to listen to reason here. Let's try it with bullet points and capital letters:

1. IF YOU ARE AFRAID THAT YOUR CHILD WILL GET HURT PLAYING FOOTBALL, DON'T HAVE YOUR CHILD PLAY FOOTBALL.
2. IF YOU ARE AFRAID THAT YOUR CHILD WILL GET HURT PLAYING FOOTBALL IN A PARTICULAR LEAGUE/CONFERENCE, DON'T HAVE YOUR CHILD PLAY FOOTBALL IN THAT PARTICULAR LEAGUE/CONFERENCE.
3. IF THERE IS A TEAM IN YOUR LEAGUE/CONFERENCE THAT HAS SO MANY ADVANTAGES/DISADVANTAGES THAT SAID TEAM'S EXISTENCE IN THE LEAGUE/CONFERENCE IS ONE YOU DEEM TO BE DANGEROUS, YOU HAVE OPTIONS: DON'T LET YOUR CHILD PLAY IN THAT LEAGUE/CONFERENCE, GET THAT TEAM REMOVED FROM THE LEAGUE/CONFERENCE, OR ACCEPT THE RISK

You don't pick and choose which teams in your league/conference you are willing to play against when the season is already in progress and, in this instance, when you had years of history to let you know that this was going to be a mismatch. The reality is that kids can get hurt playing football. If you're so worried about injury that you're pulling out of games, you don't belong on the field at all.

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Seems like you're the one not listening to reason ...... in those instances, there's no reason to play the game.....nobody benefits

A Defiant Goose said:

I wouldn't necessarily call the kids ****ies or whatever because I don't pass judgment on them or their parents I'm just saying personally I'm a "You'll have to kill me to get me to forfeit" kind of guy. And I would try to raise my child the same way. Because it is absolutely not about football and about the kind of mentality you bring in competition at any point in your life. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. They don't quit.

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Pretty narrow minded......guess you don't have kids yet.....

A Defiant Goose said:

Man I know it's easy for me to say but I'm a competitor. I don't care if my opponent is 8'5 and 578 pounds, he's going to have to show up to beat my ass. And he very well may easily beat my ass but forfeiting? Not in my dictionary. But these are teenage kids and all with parental concern. I can't judge them or their parents

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Yes you can judge them if they're running for safe spaces!! I know I'm judging them

That's like a high school wrestler forfeiting his match because his record is 2-9 and his opponent is undefeated.

Only a wimp would choose to forfeit

LOL... Washington. I bet any of your big public high school football teams in Belle Glade, Miami, Texas, and California could whoop the ass off that team.

PatriotsReign said:

Yes you can judge them if they're running for safe spaces!! I know I'm judging them

That's like a high school wrestler forfeiting his match because his record is 2-9 and his opponent is undefeated.

Only a wimp would choose to forfeit

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I thought you said there are no contests in life.........so in which thread are you talking out of your ass?

IllegalContact said:

Pretty narrow minded......guess you don't have kids yet.....

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It is narrow minded. I accept that lol

Just want to make sure I'm understanding some people's "argument" here.

So some of you are really, seriously saying (a) yeah, the team in question may well dangerously physically outclass the other teams, and (b) yeah, it really should be in another division since one of the reasons for separate divisions is to prevent/reduce injury from exactly those sorts of mismatches, and (c) despite (a) and (b) , other teams' kids and their parents are f**king loser wimpy p***ies for not playing them.

Oooookayyyyyyy.

PatriotsReign said:

Yes you can judge them if they're running for safe spaces!! I know I'm judging them

That's like a high school wrestler forfeiting his match because his record is 2-9 and his opponent is undefeated.

Only a wimp would choose to forfeit

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They have weight classes in wrestling.

QuantumMechanic said:

Just want to make sure I'm understanding some people's "argument" here.

So some of you are really, seriously saying (a) yeah, the team in question may well dangerously physically outclass the other teams, and (b) yeah, it really should be in another division since one of the reasons for separate divisions is to prevent/reduce injury from exactly those sorts of mismatches, and (c) despite (a) and (b) , other teams' kids and their parents are f**king loser wimpy p***ies for not playing them.

Oooookayyyyyyy.

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I'd just like to know why they're playing football if they're that concerned about injury. Perhaps one of the parents posts here (I know we have Pats fans all over the U.S.) and can answer that question for me. It would seem that football is not a good sport to play if you have those types of concerns.

KontradictioN said:

I'd just like to know why they're playing football if they're that concerned about injury. Perhaps one of the parents posts here (I know we have Pats fans all over the U.S.) and can answer that question for me. It would seem that football is not a good sport to play if you have those types of concerns.

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sports are played for the competition.....there is no point if there is no competition.....a school that recruits has no business playing against schools that don't


again, there's a reason Xaverian does not play Beaver Country Day

there's a reason Alabama does not play Curry College

there's even a reason why the hockomock league has been split between the davenport and the kelly-rex......so that in certain sports, the big schools don't play the small schools.

I would blame the conference for allowing this.........AM is sandbagging

IllegalContact said:

sports are played for the competition.....there is no point if there is no competition.....a school that recruits has no business playing against schools that don't


again, there's a reason Xaverian does not play Beaver Country Day

there's a reason Alabama does not play Curry College

there's even a reason why the hockomock league has been split between the davenport and the kelly-rex......so that in certain sports, the big schools don't play the small schools.

I would blame the conference for allowing this.........AM is sandbagging

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Lesser competition plays better competition all the time. Both at the high school and college level. Since you cited Alabama, I'll just use them as a basis for comparison. They played Western Kentucky and Kent State. They will play Chattanooga. I played for a smaller Catholic school team that recruited and we had to go down south and play powerhouses like Pahokee, Glades Day and Central, St. Thomas Aquinas, Northwestern, and Hollywood Chaminade Madonna when we would get to the playoffs. These were high schools with kids that were pro level prospects and we had no business being on the same field as them. We still played the game because we wanted to compete against that level even though the games would end lopsided.

But then, your post doesn't answer my question either. I'll ask it again and maybe someone here can answer it...

I'd just like to know why they're playing football if they're that concerned about injury. Perhaps one of the parents posts here (I know we have Pats fans all over the U.S.) and can answer that question for me. It would seem that football is not a good sport to play if you have those types of concerns.

I can see both sides on this one.

Hate seeing some of these schools having to be able to draw from such a huge pool of players but that's how it is.

Although soccer is a weak comparison, my daughter played competitively for years. They were excellent and well coached. Had a team on the schedule that had a large area to draw from and had 5 girls already recruited for colleges. Average size was 5'11 and up. Undefeated with a ton of lopsided scores with teams forfeiting to avoid embarrassment and injuries.

Anyway, we traveled up their to play and ended up losing 3-2 losing on a hometown ref call with 2 minutes left, a foul in the goalies box which lead to the winning score. Even though it was a loss the confidence grew in the girls big time. We ended up beating them in the next tournament. The strategy was excellent and speed kills as they say.

Anyway, that was a great season and something my daughter and I reflect on still even though she is in her twenties. Not comparing this to 300lb lineman vs 150 pound kids but sometimes coaching, pride and dedication can go a long way.

In this case though I'm not sure coaching would do the trick since the private school already has the athletes and the coaches. I'm glad I wouldn't have to make a decision like that.

How is a 117lb 14 year old making varsity? And when is he going to be playing a game that isn't an injury concern? There is more than likely going to be a person that over matches him in every game played. At that point you say maybe this isn't the right sport for them.

How does the team/players approach the rest of the season. If there are "dangerous" individual matchups do they forfeit or do individual players refuse to play? Hey the other team has a big LB and my son is playing RB, I better hold them out?

One thing I heard on the radio this morning: the first school to forfeit would have had 14 active players that week, versus 40 for their opponents.

KontradictioN said:

Lesser competition plays better competition all the time. Both at the high school and college level. Since you cited Alabama, I'll just use them as a basis for comparison. They played Western Kentucky and Kent State. They will play Chattanooga. I played for a smaller Catholic school team that recruited and we had to go down south and play powerhouses like Pahokee, Glades Day and Central, St. Thomas Aquinas, Northwestern, and Hollywood Chaminade Madonna when we would get to the playoffs. These were high schools with kids that were pro level prospects and we had no business being on the same field as them. We still played the game because we wanted to compete against that level even though the games would end lopsided.

But then, your post doesn't answer my question either. I'll ask it again and maybe someone here can answer it...

I'd just like to know why they're playing football if they're that concerned about injury. Perhaps one of the parents posts here (I know we have Pats fans all over the U.S.) and can answer that question for me. It would seem that football is not a good sport to play if you have those types of concerns.

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it's really not that hard to understand.......but to give it some details,

AM won it's first game 73-0.......which was the score at halftime
AM won it's 2nd game 59-0 .... against a team that was a 3A state semifinalist last year
AM won it's 3rd game 38-0 ..... against a team that was a 1A finalist

then there's south whidbey.......they forfeited because they've been suiting up 14-15 players per game, are 0-3 and have been outscored 109-22.......there's absolutely no point to playing that game....

I am sure the disparity is similar with the next 2 forfeitures........the safety issue is real and there are liability issues with even allowing the game to be played

again......sport is played with competition in mind.......this is not competition

AM even though it has 1A enrollment numbers AND is a private school, insists on being in 2A.....they are classic sandbaggers

PatriotsReign said:

Yes you can judge them if they're running for safe spaces!! I know I'm judging them

That's like a high school wrestler forfeiting his match because his record is 2-9 and his opponent is undefeated.

Only a wimp would choose to forfeit

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Using analogies and references to sports that have strict weight classes is counter productive to your argument

KontradictioN said:

LOL... Washington. I bet any of your big public high school football teams in Belle Glade, Miami, Texas, and California could whoop the ass off that team.

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actually, the best team in the country is from Las Vegas

Schedule - Bishop Gorman Gaels Football (Las Vegas, NV)

and they travel the country to get challenged

AM is not in the top 25