Miles Garrett is a legit possibility

[patfanken]

On listening to the Pat Macafee show I learned some stuff that makes a solid case for the Pats trading for Garrett.

1. The Pats have a league leading 55MM and probably NEED to add cap to avoid being UNDER the cap floor

2. and probably the key fact to me, Garrett's cap number for the next 3 years start small and maximize to something just in the mid TWENTIES in 2028, and THEN explode to 2 years in the 50's starting in 29. Bottom line for the next 2 and a half years Miles Garrett is a real cap BARGAIN for the rest his prime (until he's 32).

An important aspect of any trade is that it affects us LONG TERM and 2.5 years is LT in the NFL. That is easily worth a #1 that will likely be in the mid 20's at best. I would gladly make that deal for the 2026 #1+ for Miles Garrett.

A key for me was a podcast I listened to which included a guy who used to evaluate for PFF who said what he saw when he watched Garrett vs the Pats, was the SAME effect he saw in EVERY game he watched Garrett, even in games he went sackless. The difference was Maye held on to the ball a bit longer than most QB's.

Think about the impact to the Defense that kind of pressure and effort would bring game to game until 2029, and then at that point you restructure if you want to keep him.

So I never really thought Garrett was even a possibility because of his contract, but that isn't an issue until 2029 and I'll likely be dead then, so what do I care.

 

[TommyD4207]

I'm not sure how legit a possibility is actually is, other than people throwing names at the wall to see what sticks.

But the idea of Garrett/Barmore/Williams/Chiasson closing out games in the 4th quarter did make it move a little bit.

 

[Ross12]

Have a hard time believing it, but I have seen some national reporters make comments like "they have a lot of cap space to play with, they could really acquire anyone!" Which, y'know, could I guess be hinting at this sort of thing. But probably not.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Ken, you are a fantastic poster and I would never expect you to post a thread like this. I just don't see this as a possibility, but since you are the one making the claim, I am willing open my mind to it. What would it cost for compensation since the money is not the issue? I don't think we need a $30 million WR on the roster anyway. What would we give up so that it does not hurt our rebuild? We still need depth over the next two years to complete the turnaround.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

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I'm not sure how legit a possibility is actually is, other than people throwing names at the wall to see what sticks.

But the idea of Garrett/Barmore/Williams/Chiasson closing out games in the 4th quarter did make it move a little bit.

Did you have some mango?
Browns have emphatically stated there is no chance. Take it for what it’s worth.

 

[patchick]

The $$ issue isn’t on the Pats’ side. Take a look at the dead cap Cleveland would be saddled with.

 

[Rob0729]

If the Browns were smart, they would trade Garrett. Actually, if they were smart, they would have traded Garrett before they gave him a long term deal.

The Brown are probably farther away from being a contender than maybe any other team in the NFL. They are as bad as devoid of talent as any other bad team in the league AND they have the Deshaun Watson cap hits to deal with that they keep on kicking the can down the road on. He still has $167 million of dead money after this year. They are likely never going to be a contender until after Garrett has passed their prime.

But the Browns aren't smart. I tend to doubt they will trade Garrett. They will probably keep him next year too.

 

[203Pat]

I think there is a less than 5% chance that happens. Garrett just took the money, Andrew Berry and Stefanski are hanging onto their jobs by a thread, Cleveland would have a massive amount of dead cap to deal with for their endless rebuild, and I don’t think the Patriots are willing to tie up almost 20% of their cap space on 3 defensive linemen.

 

[Ross12]

The $$ issue isn’t on the Pats’ side. Take a look at the dead cap Cleveland would be saddled with.

So, actually, digging into it, it's actually a very tradeable contract.

Almost all of the big money, while mostly guaranteed, is tied up into option bonuses, which are unique because unlike signing bonuses, they can be traded to other teams. So it looks like this:

Option A - traditional:
- $100M signing bonus on a 5 year deal
- $20M signing bonus pro-ration on each year's cap
- Player is traded after 2 years
- Remaining $60M in signing bonus pro-rations accelerates and hits the cap in the 3rd year as dead money - that's bad!

Option B - option bonuses (what Garrett mostly has):
- $100M "guaranteed" but it's separated into annual $20M option bonuses
- $20M option bonuses is paid out at start of each league year
- Player is traded after 2 years
- Instead of having any dead money, the future option bonuses that need to be paid become the responsibility of the new team to pay - wow! No dead money!

Garrett has option bonuses of:
2026: $29M
2027: $39M
2028: $21M
These would all be transferred to NE and Cleveland would get out of paying them completely.

Garrett has a vet minimum salary through end of 2028 as well. If anything, if Garrett wants out, they are incentivized to trade him now and get out of these bonuses while they can. BTW, the same sort of situation applies to AJ Brown.

FWIW, Myles Garrett also has a full no-trade clause, so he would need to sign off on any destination first.

 

[Vindicate]

Garrett brings money to the Browns. He is probably one of the few reasons fans show up. I feel like we'd have to part with a lot of draft capital, no? I'm not sure this team is at the point where it can sell the farm for the likes of Garrett just yet. There are still quite a few needs.

 

[mike_usagisan]

FWIW, Myles Garrett also has a full no-trade clause, so he would need to sign off on any destination first.

He's (hypothetically) leaving the Browns. Other than the Jets and the Titans, are there any teams that could possibly be worse and he would refuse?

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

And why would the browns do this? It would take like 4 firsts if not more

 

[Ross12]

He's (hypothetically) leaving the Browns. Other than the Jets and the Titans, are there any teams that could possibly be worse and he would refuse?

Yeah I mean anywhere's "an improvement", but my point is that if some team like, say, Indianapolis is offering 3 firsts or something but he doesn't want to play there, he can force Cleveland to take the lesser offer from Los Angeles or wherever.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Yeah I mean anywhere's "an improvement", but my point is that if some team like, say, Indianapolis is offering 3 firsts or something but he doesn't want to play there, he can force Cleveland to take the lesser offer from Los Angeles or wherever.

Oh yeah, this happens when the player's agent starts negotiating with a new team under the table, so they might prefer one destination over another.

 

[captain stone]

On listening to the Pat Macafee show I learned some stuff that makes a solid case for the Pats trading for Garrett.

1. The Pats have a league leading 55MM and probably NEED to add cap to avoid being UNDER the cap floor

2. and probably the key fact to me, Garrett's cap number for the next 3 years start small and maximize to something just in the mid TWENTIES in 2028, and THEN explode to 2 years in the 50's starting in 29. Bottom line for the next 2 and a half years Miles Garrett is a real cap BARGAIN for the rest his prime (until he's 32).

An important aspect of any trade is that it affects us LONG TERM and 2.5 years is LT in the NFL. That is easily worth a #1 that will likely be in the mid 20's at best. I would gladly make that deal for the 2026 #1+ for Miles Garrett.

A key for me was a podcast I listened to which included a guy who used to evaluate for PFF who said what he saw when he watched Garrett vs the Pats, was the SAME effect he saw in EVERY game he watched Garrett, even in games he went sackless. The difference was Maye held on to the ball a bit longer than most QB's.

Think about the impact to the Defense that kind of pressure and effort would bring game to game until 2029, and then at that point you restructure if you want to keep him.

So I never really thought Garrett was even a possibility because of his contract, but that isn't an issue until 2029 and I'll likely be dead then, so what do I care.

Plus, Vrabel knows him from last season, so any of the reports coming-out now about him shouldn't be a surprise...

 

[Ross12]

Would you trade 2 firsts and a player to Cleveland for Garrett? He could help take you on a playoff run THIS YEAR while also giving you a scary as hell DL for the next 3+ years.

 

[TheRainMaker]

It's actually not as crazy as it sounds. However, he's 30 years old and Browns aren't going to give him away for nothing.

Garretts cap numbers are:

2025: $21,922,120
2026: $23,674,000
2027: $27,997,775
2028: $30,090,000

After 2028 is when you could cut him. With that said, I'm leaning towards no.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Would you trade 2 firsts and a player to Cleveland for Garrett? He could help take you on a playoff run THIS YEAR while also giving you a scary as hell DL for the next 3+ years.

This upcoming draft is supposed to be good for EDGE players. Let's get someone good and young and on a controlled salary and spend our draft pics and cap money improving our depth.

 

[Steve102]

On listening to the Pat Macafee show I learned some stuff that makes a solid case for the Pats trading for Garrett.

1. The Pats have a league leading 55MM and probably NEED to add cap to avoid being UNDER the cap floor

2. and probably the key fact to me, Garrett's cap number for the next 3 years start small and maximize to something just in the mid TWENTIES in 2028, and THEN explode to 2 years in the 50's starting in 29. Bottom line for the next 2 and a half years Miles Garrett is a real cap BARGAIN for the rest his prime (until he's 32).

An important aspect of any trade is that it affects us LONG TERM and 2.5 years is LT in the NFL. That is easily worth a #1 that will likely be in the mid 20's at best. I would gladly make that deal for the 2026 #1+ for Miles Garrett.

A key for me was a podcast I listened to which included a guy who used to evaluate for PFF who said what he saw when he watched Garrett vs the Pats, was the SAME effect he saw in EVERY game he watched Garrett, even in games he went sackless. The difference was Maye held on to the ball a bit longer than most QB's.

Think about the impact to the Defense that kind of pressure and effort would bring game to game until 2029, and then at that point you restructure if you want to keep him.

So I never really thought Garrett was even a possibility because of his contract, but that isn't an issue until 2029 and I'll likely be dead then, so what do I care.

If anyone else ran with this I would have denounced it as speculative nonsense, especially if it came from one of the Cult guys like @PatsFan2 . With that said, I at least read what you said and think there's a slim possibility. You'd be giving up multiple R1s, but you'd be a SB contender now, so the idea has merit.

Ken, you are a fantastic poster and I would never expect you to post a thread like this. I just don't see this as a possibility, but since you are the one making the claim, I am willing open my mind to it.

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[Ross12]

This upcoming draft is supposed to be good for EDGE players. Let's get someone good and young and on a controlled salary and spend our draft pics and cap money improving our depth.

I definitely get the idea, and normally I'd generally agree. But in this scenario, what you'd be drafting and saving and building towards would be to try to possibly, hopefully, eventually, get to a place where you could just get to RIGHT NOW if you had Garrett.

The AFC is so weak this year. The Pats are already a top team. Add Garrett on top of this scary IDL and they could push for an AFCCG. That gives them big time recognition, which in turn lures more talent on the open market immediately in the offseason and causes other teams to value your players more highly in trades.

I'm not usually a "go for it" guy but this one would be hard to pass up. That said, I doubt it's real.