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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I think I'll end up with Wheatley and Thienemann in the same tier for now. Wheatley has 2" on Thieneman and that's quite appealing, particularly when it comes to defending TEs. It's nice to be able to improve our options.Downs
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Was just going to post these:
Where I stand on some of these guys.So Bishop Fitzgerald, Michael Taaffe and Zakee Wheatley are solid in both man and zone, with likely missed tackle rates.
Awesome job as usual manx.Leading Safeties man coverage v zone coverage
This post was inspired by a play I saw on twitter in which the Patriots played a cover-zero in which the outside corners only played man if the WR they were covering but played zone on any in-breaking routes. So it got me thinking about man v zone abilities for safeties.
Here's the list. In order of PFF ranking.
Caleb Downs - 91 man coverage/55 zone (that low zone grade surprised me) (10.8 missed tackle %))
Rod Moore - (coming back from injury, only 3 games)
AJ Haulcey - 67/88 (12.5%)
Dillon Thieneman - 66/86 (13.8%)
Kamari Ramsey - 79/69 (0%)
Keon Sabb - 75/73 (15.8%)
Earl Little Jr - 77/65 (18.6%)
Zakee Wheatley - 77/76 (6.3%)
Tao Johnson - (terrible pass coverage grade so didn't bother)
Isaac Smith - 78/82 (10.5%)
Michael Taaffe - 81/86 (2.4%)
Emmanuel McNeil-Warren - 46/93 (9.7%)
Jalen Stroman - 42/80 (4.5%)
Gerald Kilgore - 90/77 (15.6%)
Bray Hubbard - 87/76 (17.1%)
Two that aren't ranked high on PFF's big board but that really standout
Bishop Fitzgerald - 89/89 (3%)
Antonio Watts (Louisville) - 91/79 (26.3%)
Genesis Smith - 84/70 (12.8%)
Amare Ferrell - 65/69 (10%)
I think that if you're looking for a deeper safety to compliment Craig Woodson, zone coverage is more important. If you are looking for a safety that can cover a TE in man from the slot, man coverage is obviously more important.
Michael Taaffe and Bishop Fitzgerald are starting to look better and better to me. Taaffe is becoming one of my favourite options. I need to find out more about Louisville safety Antonio Watts.
Thieneman's run defense has been a concern this year
OTOH, watching the Texas/Oklahoma game, Michael Taaffe's tackling has been awesome. He might be a bit too similar to Woodson, but he's absolutely a Vrabel type guy.
I think Taaffe works for us because we're not limited to a particular scheme in coverage and like Woodson, he's versatile. Being a "special teams demon" and a Vrabel-like player clearly adds value as far as the Patriots are concerned. Wheatley and Taaffe are my two favourite options at safety currently.Awesome job as usual manx.
Taaffe stood out me a few weeks ago when I was watching hill because of his impeccable tackling. Apparently people rave about his character and communication. I’m not as worried with his athleticism, as we just saw this defense can play with 2 stronger safeties. I agree with your earlier post about him being a vrabel type of player.
He’s moving up my board. I was disappointed with what I saw from Thieneman this week, his tackling is really poor.
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