Mayo Made The Right Call, The Only Call - Brissett over Maye

[jimnance]

I do not give one iota about Polk, Baker, Thornton, Douglas, Bourne, HH, Bell etc.

Right now, and every day forward, its about the development of Drake Maye. The rest? strawmans and white noise.

I know Brissett is a bad quarterback. I have said so since we signed him.

He is the sacrificial lamb. Let him be sacrificed on the altars of the Football gods when we get **** sorted out.

Jacoby knows it too

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Slings and arrows or deserved accolades - it all gets tossed in Mayos lap. Thats what being a HC in the NFL means.

Mayo is a dead man walking.

He has been betrayed by whomever is behind the pathetic FA period and a draft that failed to land a LT. We tend to blame Wolfe, but I have to wonder if one of the Krafts is making the penny-wise /pound foolish moves. We saw what happened to the Patriots when the elder Kraft and Bobby Grier were calling the shots before Parcells put his foot down; is it happening again? Mayo does not have the gravitas of Parcells or BB to overrule ownership and now we have a mess.

It is too bad, because with this defense plus a smidgen of offense, the Patriots could win some games. Now opposing defenses are going to licking their chops when that Patriots OL lines up; it is going to be a slaughter.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I agree. I know many have advocated to start Maye right away. I still remember how the Colts ruined Andrew Luck. The kid came into the game with all world talent and retired a broken and hobbled man by age 29.

This line isn't even close to ready and we made 2 waiver claims for OL. Once the line shows enough cohesion and competence to protect the QB, it will be safe to get Maye some experience. Until then shelter him from a horrible and unproductive start, getting blown up constantly and developing happy feet from an OL he can't trust to protect him or even handle basics like getting the SNAP off.

Next offseason hopefully we can either draft a stud LT with our 1st round pick or find one through free agency. Until then the key is patience. Maye has a vast upside, let's practice the patience needed to nurture him to that ceiling, instead of ruining him unnecessarily.

Brissett is there to provide veteran leadership and absorb the hits that Maye won't. Rome wasn't rebuilt in a day. We do have a key building block in our pocket, let's use that block wisely, when the time is right.

The offensive line has really been offensive, no matter what iteration has been used. Way too many mental mistakes by way of penanties, way too many missed blocking assignments, and too much below average play, especially at the tackle position. Was it a surprise when two of the four waiver wire claims were tackles? If it was you haven't been paying attention, or were all to willing to look past the issues staring you right in the face. Playing behind such a line will hinder, not enhance, the development of Maye if he were to play from the get go. Just look at the history of the game. All too often QB's have been broken in year one by bad line play. You don't have to look too far back to see this.

Secondly, and I am not sure this has been addressed to an adequate degree - We really have no clue how well the offensive coaching staff is going to perform. AVP, our current OC, has held the title before, but has never called games before. You might get a week, two or maybe even three out of him before the NFL has what he likes to do, what his tendencies are in particular down and distance scenarios figured out. How is this team going to maneuver in situational football? How will they adapt to in game to counter the defenses? Learning situational football as the sole voice on the offense is going to be a learning curve for AVP - one I would rather have Brissett out there for - let him takes the lumps, not Maye.

There are a few who have argued that Maye losses out on much needed experience by not starting from the get go. Just because Maye is not starting game 1 does not mean he will not start this year. Losing 4, 5, 6 etc games at the beginning of his career is not going to adversely impact his development. Its foolish to think that it will. Especially if he is playing behind the line we know cannot provide adequate protection at this point. It may take weeks to get the line sorted out - something I think can happen. That's when you think about starting Maye - not before then though.

Mayo made the right, the only, decision. Its why he brought in Brissett. To get this team out of the gates while sorting out a suspect line and getting a really newb centric coaching staff up to game speed.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

This won't last long. Brissett is basically the guy we saw in preseason. He may move the ball every now and then, but then will do something to stall the drive.

By week 3 the noise will get loud to bench him for Maye.

I would be surprised if he lasts that long. Either he will be pulled or carted off the field. He is wounded enough already to impair him so much that opposing defenses will know that the Patriots will try to run on first and second down and then try to run a screen or a draw. That will not work against a stacked D so the Patriots will ask JB to pass, ...ugh.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Next offseason hopefully we can either draft a stud LT with our 1st round pick or find one through free agency. Until then the key is patience. Maye has a vast upside, let's practice the patience needed to nurture him to that ceiling, instead of ruining him unnecessarily.

I wish that the Patriots had reversed this; I wish that they traded down, gotten a stud LT and a deep threat WR. Then the following year get the QB and put him in situation where he has a chance. Instead this year is going to be painful for everyone, including Maye, literally.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Tell Brissett to get his *** back out there…will look something similar to Scott Sterling…google Scott Sterling soccer goalie if you don’t know what I’m talking about.

In case you have not seen Scott Sterling's heroic stand



And yes, this may be JB. Cannon fodder, an Expendable

 

[VJCPatriot]

I wish that the Patriots had reversed this; I wish that they traded down, gotten a stud LT and a deep threat WR. Then the following year get the QB and put him in situation where he has a chance. Instead this year is going to be painful for everyone, including Maye, literally.

They could have traded down from #3, but then you're not talking about Maye as the future you're talking about Michael Penix Jr, McCarthy, or Bo Nix as the QB instead. I still feel Maye has higher upside than any of those guys.

Now what they could have done was package their early 2nd and a mid round pick to move up to the back of the 1st. That means you're trying to get either Jordan Morgan #25 or Tyler Guyton #29.

Jordan Morgan projects to be a guard for the Packers according to this report, so he wouldn't have been an answer at LT.

Evaluating Preseason Performance of Former Arizona Tackle Jordan Morgan

As the Arizona Wildcats get set for the start of the 2024 college football season, one of their stars from last year will be making his NFL debut in the coming

www.si.com

Ok how about Guyton? He's done terrific according to preseason reports.
Maybe this is one that we missed out on and the Cowboys hit a homerun.

Cowboys Tyler Guyton named as preseason’s top rookie offensive tackle

Tyler Guyton has been as advertised for the Dallas Cowboys, earning praise for his preseason performance.

www.si.com

Hindsight is 20/20. But I would not move down from the Maye pick at #3. I could be convinced to move up from 2nd to the back of the 1st for Guyton.

That's about it. We move on and hopefully do better at shoring up the OL in the future.

 

[JohnJH]

Since Maye is not starting:

a) Don’t care if Okorafor is a bit better right now, Wallace needs to be RT right now. Onwenu stays at RG. Get Wallace reps now.

b) Polk, Douglas, Thornton, Baker play a ton. Find your 2025 #2/#3 now. Trade Bourne and Osborn for whatever you can get at deadline

c) Get a top 3-4 pick and take the best LT in the draft

d) I know he has some non fans, but throw a number at Higgins (or any other top option) he can’t turn down.

They absolutely need to start Wallace at RT (which was his main position in college). If he's solid there, then having him at RT and Onwenu at RG solves that starting side of the OL for Maye in his 2nd Season. They absolutely need a solid LT and Center (as Andrews might retire next year, and even then, we have no one to succeed him at Center). And, we might need a LG too (but the jury is still out on that one as we need to see what we have with Sow and Robinson).

 

[mgteich]

They absolutely need to start Wallace at RT (which was his main position in college). If he's solid there, then having him at RT and Onwenu at RG solves that starting side of the OL for Maye in his 2nd Season. They absolutely need a solid LT and Center (as Andrews might retire next year, and even then, we have no one to succeed him at Center). And, we might need a LG too (but the jury is still out on that one as we need to see what we have with Sow and Robinson).

LT = ???
swing OT - ???
LG - Strange/Sow/Robinson
C - Andrews, ???
RG - Onwenu, Robinson/Sow
RT- Wallace

We seem to have six for 2025, needing a LT, swing OT and a backup C. Strange could be that backup center.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Does anyone else feel that the Patriots have decided to throw away the first few games?

 

[Pape]

Mayo is a dead man walking.

He has been betrayed by whomever is behind the pathetic FA period and a draft that failed to land a LT. We tend to blame Wolfe, but I have to wonder if one of the Krafts is making the penny-wise /pound foolish moves. We saw what happened to the Patriots when the elder Kraft and Bobby Grier were calling the shots before Parcells put his foot down; is it happening again? Mayo does not have the gravitas of Parcells or BB to overrule management and now we have a mess.

It is too bad, because with this defense plus a smidgen of offense, the Patriots could win some games. Now opposing defenses are going to licking their chops when that Patriots OL lines up; it is going to be a slaughter.

Interesting... I had not thought too much on the potential length of Mayo's tenure... I figure a minimum of at least three years...

So, imo, Mayo has a long leash right now... His fortunes are all tied to the front office - I think Coach is in a unique position, one that is difficult for me to define beyond "Coach". First and foremost - he is the hand picked successor to Belichick. That will grant him leeway because quite frankly I don't think RKK's ego will allow him to admit he made the wrong choice, if indeed he did... There was a Kraft quote, i cant remember it exactly - but it was along the lines of - having three coaches in his tenure as owner, all super bowl caliber guys. Thats a bit of ego, and not much hubris, in that statement.

Second, to a degree we have not seen since 1995, he is subject to internal pressures that Belichick never had to face. I think you have three distinct personalities in that front office that are wielding influence over the future of the franchise - RKK, Wolf & to a lesser degree but is a growing influence, Jonathan "Little Enos" Kraft - Mayo's along for the ride, without much say, if any, in the personell department. As long as we hear the refrain "its a colaboration", it says to me Mayo has no say in picking players beyond telling the triad "we need a tackle or we need a safety", etc... This protects him to a degree.

I hope Mayo is "the guy"... I hope he grows into the role of HC... Im doubtful because of his complete lack of experience... 5 years coaching experience in total... thats a short resume... But, It is a good story, no? First round Pats draft pick to winning Head Coach? I can sell that to the Hallmark channel 24/7/365... If not Hallmark, then its worthy at the very least of a 30 for 30, lol...

 

[Pape]

Does anyone else feel that the Patriots have decided to throw away the first few games?

first few games? try the season

welcome back to 1992

 

[dliverey44]

Does anyone else feel that the Patriots have decided to throw away the first few games?

Yes, but honestly the 1st 4 would be losses even with Maye, imo.

 

[Thelonious]

The decision is fine. The management of communications leading up to the decision (or up to the confirmation of the long-since-made decision) was strictly bush league. Mayo's pitch is limited to Opahesque jibberish offered at at the drop of a hat, and he seems incapable of a straightforward comment, or thought. He cannot at times even complete a sentence without contradicting himself. Some repose such hope in his being a "nice guy" that they assume he will figure such things out. I have my doubts, and in any case why would a team fallen as low as the Pats choose to hire a HC (and a GM) who needs such extensive on-the-job training? He's a nice guy - fine, whatever - but he was a lousy hire. I give it a year. Hire an experienced professional next time.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Does anyone else feel that the Patriots have decided to throw away the first few games?

Throw away is probably too strong. More like they are taking a page from the BB handbook and treating them as part of an extended preseason.

 

[dliverey44]

The decision is fine. The management of communications leading up to the decision (or up to the confirmation of the long-since-made decision) was strictly bush league. Mayo's pitch is limited to Opahesque jibberish offered at at the drop of a hat, and he seems incapable of a straightforward comment, or thought. He cannot at times even complete a sentence without contradicting himself. Some repose such hope in his being a "nice guy" that they assume he will figure such things out. I have my doubts, and in any case why would a team fallen as low as the Pats choose to hire a HC (and a GM) who needs such extensive on-the-job training? He's a nice guy - fine, whatever - but he was a lousy hire. I give it a year. Hire an experienced professional next time.

There are times that I feel like Mayo is ****ing with the media. They wanted information after BB, so Mayo gives them something but then something else that seems like a contradiction. He is a smart guy, I think/hope he figures things out.

The burn cash statement-The Pats did in fact spend alot of cash this offseason. He implied that it meant on new guys but never actually said that.

Maye out played JB but is the 2nd best QB- I took that to mean that in the preseason games he played better than JB, but is not the best guy to start the season. That makes him 2d best QB. those are the 2 big ones, how else has he "contradicted" himself.

 

[Thelonious]

There are times that I feel like Mayo is ****ing with the media. They wanted information after BB, so Mayo gives them something but then something else that seems like a contradiction. He is a smart guy, I think/hope he figures things out.

The burn cash statement-The Pats did in fact spend alot of cash this offseason. He implied that it meant on new guys but never actually said that.

Maye out played JB but is the 2nd best QB- I took that to mean that in the preseason games he played better than JB, but is not the best guy to start the season. That makes him 2d best QB. those are the 2 big ones, how else has he "contradicted" himself.

Bill chose to say nothing. When Bill had nothing to say, he said nothing. Mayo can't figure out what to say, but keeps talking anyway. To ascribe his limitations to some deep rhetorical strategy is entirely inconsistent with the quality of his self-contradictory jibberish. I see such a take as an expression of the widespread and unwarranted assumption his being a "nice guy" ensures he will figure it all out. It doesn't. The more likely result will be growing frustration on the press' part, on the fan's part, and ultimately on Mayo's part. The Krafts should have been much more hardheaded in building a management team with the task of rebuilding a team fallen to as low a point as this team has.

It'd be nice and all if he could figure it out, and I wouldn't mind being wrong, but I like to my hopes to bear some relationship to the facts of a matter. Reread the transcripts of his press conferences. What do you see?

If the facts change, I'll change my view.

 

[sb1]

Preseason is not an illusion.

Actually it is. Plenty of players who had awful preseasons played well in the regular season. Matt Cassel for example. And vice versa

 

[NFL Mystique]

Starting Drake Maye behind this OL is How to ruin a rookie QB 101.

Correct decision.

I agree. But what happens if J.B., injury prone at times, gets injured within the first few snaps in Cincinnati? Does Milton start?

If they are so hell bent on Maye not starting, he should be QB # 3 going into the season.

 

[Nikolai]

If ******ing the development of the franchise QB because you think the team around him will ruin him is the right call then every off season decision that create that situation was the wrong call.

I'm open to the argument.

The starting OL in Tom Brady’s first NFL start.

Rookie LT Matt Light
LG Mike Compton
C Damien Woody who had to move to G in shotgun
RG street FA Joe andruzzi
RT Greg Robinson-Randall

TE Rod Rutledge

WRs Troy Brown, David Patten, Fred Coleman

I do suspect, by most metrics, that OL had more going for it than this one. Time will tell.