Mac Jones appreciation thread

[SHOWTIME15]

Could/would they have done the same with Lawrence, Fields, etc? Not sure. Every coaching philosophy, system and org is different.

They did a phenomenal job with Matt Cassel, so I’m sure they would have brought out the best in Lawrence, Lance, Fields, or Wilson

 

[Kasmir]

I sort of wonder if you went back and looked at all the QBs drafted how many might have excelled elsewhere. Obviously, it's impossible to know, but when you see it happen, it's hard not to wonder if the coaching - or just the organizations - are really is that inept. Like the Jets/Dolphins/etc. You can't possibly cycle through that many guys and have 100% be bad. I just don't feel like that's possible.

I think there was some kind of consensual delusion going around that made so many folks think Wilson, Fields and Trey Lance (!) were better prospects than Mac despite Mac being so superior in college (Trevor Lawrence I can understand) .

Even Alex Barth, who claims to be a Mac supporter, said yesterday that there is always a high-floor/low-ceiling QB like Mac Jones always available late in the 1st round -- oh really? -- and that's a safer bet than a high-risk high-reward QB like Justin Fields -- whom he was pimping pre draft.

The things Mac does best are the things you traditionally need to do well to be a great QB and that most NFL QB's fail at. Mac had a historic year at Alabama; I can see being concerned about his limited experience there, but picking a project like Trey Lance over him, who hadn't played much and then only against 2nd rate competition?

The NFL world went crazy, and I'm not sure why that is.

 

[Tottie]

Who knows how far he'll develop, but the initial signs are pretty promising.

Thanks for sharing. Pretty cool. It is important to note that basically every other rookie QB has looked like garbage though so it's not much a comparison but it does say that we may of gotten the best qb in the draft.

 

[condon84]

Drew was also an every other year guy. He'd have a great year, then a not-so-great year. Feels like he'd dig deep when times got rough but when things were good, he'd rest on his laurels. Don't get me wrong, I was a huge fan (I still have his jersey), but that always drove me crazy.

I remember Drew's biggest issue was he held on to the ball a little too long. Didn't always make the quick reads. He may have gotten better but when Brady came on it was a huge difference in how quickly he found open guys vs how long it took for Drew to process the defense.

 

[RobertWeathers]

They did a phenomenal job with Matt Cassel, so I’m sure they would have brought out the best in Lawrence, Lance, Fields, or Wilson

Maybe.

Takes a different mindset to deal with this place...

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

 

[rochrist]

So you expect them to go 9-2 the rest of the way or his season isn’t a success?

Are you maintaining it's going to take 12-6 to make the playoffs? I'm dubious.

 

[rochrist]

I think there was some kind of consensual delusion going around that made so many folks think Wilson, Fields and Trey Lance (!) were better prospects than Mac despite Mac being so superior in college (Trevor Lawrence I can understand) .

Even Alex Barth, who claims to be a Mac supporter, said yesterday that there is always a high-floor/low-ceiling QB like Mac Jones always available late in the 1st round -- oh really? -- and that's a safer bet than a high-risk high-reward QB like Justin Fields -- whom he was pimping pre draft.

The things Mac does best are the things you traditionally need to do well to be a great QB and that most NFL QB's fail at. Mac had a historic year at Alabama; I can see being concerned about his limited experience there, but picking a project like Trey Lance over him, who hadn't played much and then only against 2nd rate competition?

The NFL world went crazy, and I'm not sure why that is.

Shiny toys.

 

[Kasmir]

They did a phenomenal job with Matt Cassel, so I’m sure they would have brought out the best in Lawrence, Lance, Fields, or Wilson

Maybe.

But imagine a different scenario. What if Bryce Young had beaten out Mac last year at Alabama -- which he nearly did. Mac would have had the few starts from 2019, but would almost certainly have plummeted in the draft without his 2020 tape. 6th round maybe?

 

[bigballas]

haha, i love Mac...but "repeatedly beat" TLaw transposed to some obscure QB competition in HS is a bit of a reach.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

An interesting dimension is the longevity of the pocket-QBs compared with those that scramble. Obviously Brady is the prime example, but in the modern era where QBs in the pocket are so well protected by rules it perhaps becomes even more significant.

Just look at Wilson yesterday - no the Judon hit in the pocket, but the previous scramble play where he could just as easily have gotten injured.

 

[Kasmir]

haha, i love Mac...but "repeatedly beat" TLaw transposed to some obscure QB competition in HS is a bit of a reach.

Alabama won the national championship last year and indirectly avenged 2018 when Trevor beat Tua. Mac >> Tua!!

And that competition is very interesting as it was direct 1:1 QB vs QB challenge. I would have bet Trevor Lawrence with his superior physical skills would have trounced Mac. But it was very close. And it showed Mac's extraordinary competitiveness -- and his great accuracy when throwing on the run to either side of the field, which I otherwise was unaware of.

 

[Deus Irae]

I think there was some kind of consensual delusion going around that made so many folks think Wilson, Fields and Trey Lance (!) were better prospects than Mac despite Mac being so superior in college (Trevor Lawrence I can understand) .

Even Alex Barth, who claims to be a Mac supporter, said yesterday that there is always a high-floor/low-ceiling QB like Mac Jones always available late in the 1st round -- oh really? -- and that's a safer bet than a high-risk high-reward QB like Justin Fields -- whom he was pimping pre draft.

The things Mac does best are the things you traditionally need to do well to be a great QB and that most NFL QB's fail at. Mac had a historic year at Alabama; I can see being concerned about his limited experience there, but picking a project like Trey Lance over him, who hadn't played much and then only against 2nd rate competition?

The NFL world went crazy, and I'm not sure why that is.

There are a lot of reasons for people to think what they thought then, and what many still think now.

Mac = "Most NFL ready, with a high floor, but a lower ceiling than the rest"

So, now, with Mac showing himself to have been the most NFL ready (along with Lawrence), and having the high floor, this, so far, has gone as advertised. Nothing is out of order at this time. The question was always expected to be about development and improvement, not day one ability. The hope is that the pundits got the ceiling part wrong. That they got the floor part correct is not reason to be claiming some sort of pundit delusion. The question was always expected to be about development and improvement, not day one ability.

People such as yourself are prematurely crowing.

 

[NormZauchin]

I think there was some kind of consensual delusion going around that made so many folks think Wilson, Fields and Trey Lance (!) were better prospects than Mac despite Mac being so superior in college (Trevor Lawrence I can understand) .

Even Alex Barth, who claims to be a Mac supporter, said yesterday that there is always a high-floor/low-ceiling QB like Mac Jones always available late in the 1st round -- oh really? -- and that's a safer bet than a high-risk high-reward QB like Justin Fields -- whom he was pimping pre draft.

The things Mac does best are the things you traditionally need to do well to be a great QB and that most NFL QB's fail at. Mac had a historic year at Alabama; I can see being concerned about his limited experience there, but picking a project like Trey Lance over him, who hadn't played much and then only against 2nd rate competition?

The NFL world went crazy, and I'm not sure why that is.

The vast majority of a human being's information comes through the eyes, is visual. This creates a bias toward those quarterback characteristics that have a visual dimension - cannon arm, speed out of the backfield, elusiveness, etc. What Brady has shown is what really makes a great quarterback lies between the ears. NFL front offices have been slow to digest this, as have a few posters on the Patsfans board.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

There are a lot of reasons for people to think what they thought then, and what many still think now.

Mac = "Most NFL ready, with a high floor, but a lower ceiling than the rest"

So, now, with Mac showing himself to have been the most NFL ready (along with Lawrence), and having the high floor, this, so far, has gone as advertised. Nothing is out of order at this time. The question was always expected to be about development and improvement, not day one ability. The hope is that the pundits got the ceiling part wrong. That they got the floor part correct is not reason to be claiming some sort of pundit delusion. The question was always expected to be about development and improvement, not day one ability.

People such as yourself are prematurely crowing.

Agree.

You have to realize the same mediots and also NFL idiots (and forum idiots) all are parroting the same stuff we heard about Brady in 2001, 2002, and 2003. Funny how so many forgot the Brady criticisms about arm strength or being a system QB. I could care less that people try to knock how Mac is 22 of 23 for throws within 15 yard throws (so what? this is actually really good, it's a crappy way to knock his arm strength). It is dumb to chase a bunch of 25-30 yard throws just to impress idiots in the media. And I don't care if Mac perfects this play and then we get the "he's just a system quarterback who can't run" criticism. I could care less. This game is still about a QB who can complete a ton of throws and move the chains. I don't care if a guy can run 8 times for 50 yards a game.

I am all for a QB who passes for over 67%, minimizes sacks, gets a ton of first downs and eats clock, is efficient in red zone, is a team leader, minimizes interceptions, and kills the blitz and is good on 3rd down. Everything else is irrelevant.

 

[Fuzz]

Macs scrambling ability has impressed me in the last couple of games. He’s got a second gear that ”unathletic” qbs don’t usually have, and he’s doing it with a knee brace on. He’s definitely been trying to add that element to his game, and it’s been paying off so far.

 

[Pats2000]

I think every QB can have their strengths taken away, their ability to overcome it is one of the factors that go into being a really good or great QB. I think his game is patterned more on guys like Brees, Manning, and Brady but DC’s still found ways to get them off base. Spagnola clearly did it to Brady, Belichick did it to Manning on a number of occasions, and Belichick did it to Brady a few weeks ago, and those are three of the best QB’s in league history.

Yes, but it takes an amazing defensive gameplan. It's not like once they are figured out the rest of the league can use that as a blueprint to stop them.

 

[Ivan]

Are you maintaining it's going to take 12-6 to make the playoffs? I'm dubious.

The more I think about it the more I think you are probably right, 10-6 is 11-5 in prior seasons, and other than the Patriots there aren’t many teams who didn’t make it at 11-5. That and the fact that the AFC looks wide open this season should give them hope of getting a WC berth if they can go 8-3, I don’t think they can get in on 8 losses.

 

[Ivan]

Yes, but it takes an amazing defensive gameplan. It's not like once they are figured out the rest of the league can use that as a blueprint to stop them.

Im simply saying that there are many hurdles to proving you are a true franchise QB, and defensive game plans are one of them. Everything he’s done to this point has been impressive but there is a long long way to go.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

No matter which way anyone feels abut Mac, he clearly is better than anyone who has backed Brady while he was a starter here, or Started since Brady's departure.

Mac has something none of them possessed, IMO.
He reads the field and D well. He processes quickly. He's done well with the lack of star receivers.

Time will tell, but I'm feeling good about his future here... as the Oline , and team as a whole, keep improving.

Baby steps.